HHO Gas Hybrid Systems

Dacket said:
I don't think that's exactly true... I've heard of small operations where some guys made a car, I think back in the 70's or so, that got an insane amount of MPG (for the time) on just gasoline. The government bought 'em out and shut 'em down. Kind of like what Ford did to DeLorean.
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Reminds me of Smokey Yunick's(hope some of you guys know this man...sneaky bastard that he was)turbo'ed Super Hot Vapor car... a Dodge Omni that got a bizillion mpg and ran 13's....the concept is called an Adiabatic engine



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in laymans terms...the incoming air and fuel would be mixed together in a first stage vaporizer..pass through a turbocharger..then proceed to a superheated vaporizer attached to the exhaust manifold that would completely atomize the mixture

what's curious here is that the turbo in reality actually acts like a check valve to keep the expanding superheated air/fuel mixture from backing back up the intake tract

presented it to the Big Three..nothing ever came of it..interesting concept though

some interesting reading from an engineering forum

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=78116&page=1

and this

http://schou.dk/hvce/


He was a maverick but the oil industry silenced his clock....pulled the plug on his respirator....put arsenic in his coffee... put a stick in his spokes.... dropped a cap in dat ass

I don't know...fini
 
ToeCutter said:
Reminds me of Smokey Yunick's(hope some of you guys know this man...sneaky bastard that he was)...

presented it to the Big Three..nothing ever came of it..interesting concept though
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He was a maverick but the oil industry silenced his clock....pulled the plug on his respirator....put arsenic in his coffee... put a stick in his spokes.... dropped a cap in dat ass

I don't know...fini
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Yes, I know (or knew) of Smokey. He was very clever, but he never got that particular engine to where he wanted it to be.

There was no "big oil" conspiracy. The right materials to make the engine work (and continue to work for a 100K miles) just don't exist (yet anyway).

The oil companies really wouldn't be threatened by some sudden supper break through that enabled 100, 200 MPG. They would just raise the price of oil and gas until they still had the same profits coming in.
 
have any you ever looked at cng they are actually pretty nice systems as far as this type of thing goes. i did a report on them and they seem to work pretty well. they also dont make your car run on cng at all times with the flip of a switch you can use regular gas.
 
2002_lincolnLS said:
have any you ever looked at cng they are actually pretty nice systems as far as this type of thing goes. i did a report on them and they seem to work pretty well. they also dont make your car run on cng at all times with the flip of a switch you can use regular gas.
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I have always thought cng (compressed natural gas) would the the least polluting way to power a car, even less pollution than all electric (when you consider how most electricity is generated). A big part of the reason it is low pollution is that there is no refining needed for natural gas. You get it out of the ground, store it, and use it.
One advantage is that it burns so cleanly that engine oil lasts a lot longer. Unfortunately, the disadvantages are many. It's hard to store much of it. You'd lose your trunk space to the tanks. There is some danger if you get into a wreck. (It's less explosive than gasoline, but it's stored at incredible pressures.) You'll get much less power out of any given engine running if off of cng, and your mileage (and therefore range) will be less.
 
joegr said:
I have always thought cng (compressed natural gas) would the the least polluting way to power a car, even less pollution than all electric (when you consider how most electricity is generated). A big part of the reason it is low pollution is that there is no refining needed for natural gas. You get it out of the ground, store it, and use it.
One advantage is that it burns so cleanly that engine oil lasts a lot longer. Unfortunately, the disadvantages are many. It's hard to store much of it. You'd lose your trunk space to the tanks. There is some danger if you get into a wreck. (It's less explosive than gasoline, but it's stored at incredible pressures.) You'll get much less power out of any given engine running if off of cng, and your mileage (and therefore range) will be less.
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actuallty power only decreases by 10ish percent, which isnt overall noticable and yess the explosion problem but the tanks have to hit very very hard for that. they also9 have home filling stations which are super convienent. the government also reimburses the cost of the kit 9 times out of ten
 
joegr said:
Yes, I know (or knew) of Smokey. He was very clever, but he never got that particular engine to where he wanted it to be.

There was no "big oil" conspiracy. The right materials to make the engine work (and continue to work for a 100K miles) just don't exist (yet anyway).

The oil companies really wouldn't be threatened by some sudden supper break through that enabled 100, 200 MPG. They would just raise the price of oil and gas until they still had the same profits coming in.
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Yeah Joe...I was joking about the oil conspiracy

the engine never did pan out for Smokey..it was a novel idea but as you stated.. the design was hobbled by inadequate material sustainability...especially for a product that would have to be warranteed

with the lean air/fuel mixtures required, the stoichiometry problems would eventually need to be addressed as the engine detonated under load...something Smokey swore it didn't


as for Smokey..the guy was an innovator..but man..what a sneak

he got caught so many times cheating ( both within and outside of the rules) of numerous racing organizations but the inspectors were constantly amazed by his cunning and clever ways

during one Nascar season, as with subsequent seasons,the amount of fuel a car could carry was strictly enforced so as not to give any one team an advantage because of reduced pit stops....Smokey decided to hide extra fuel in the hollow bars of the rollcage...he got caught...is this guy nuts or what
 
2002_lincolnLS said:
actuallty power only decreases by 10ish percent, which isnt overall noticable and yess the explosion problem but the tanks have to hit very very hard for that. they also9 have home filling stations which are super convienent. the government also reimburses the cost of the kit 9 times out of ten
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A 10% power loss coupled with the ~15% drive train loss is HUGE!
 
Why do I even bother getting on this site is beyond me. People just like being rude and treating you like $hit just to lift there self up. Ya'll can suck it. I am done
 
customgtrs said:
Why do I even bother getting on this site is beyond me. People just like being rude and treating you like $hit just to lift there self up. Ya'll can suck it. I am done
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Who was rude on this thread? Did I miss something? I'll apologize for the group if that helps. I have to say I don't think I have ever been treated rudely on this forum. Occasional ribbing sure, but it has always been in good fun. There are a few people who have been treated rudely but they definitely deserved it, r-bones for example.
 
I'm thinking maybe he wanted to post this in a different thread? This one seems pretty civilized by LvC standards.
 
nah I said Time and People magazines were BS rags and I think he got mad because I wasn't "singing along with him".

and maybe because don prudhomme wouldn't help me make 8000 HP just because I "new him"...er sumthin lke that..

*shruggs*

it was MY fault..I'll admit it.
 
rainjacks said:
Who was rude on this thread? Did I miss something? I'll apologize for the group if that helps. I have to say I don't think I have ever been treated rudely on this forum. Occasional ribbing sure, but it has always been in good fun. There are a few people who have been treated rudely but they definitely deserved it, r-bones for example.
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I think that his complaint is that we failed to join him in his conspiracy delusion.
 
Conspiracies crack me up. Oh well, you can't please everyone I guess. Oh, wait, My IRA is heavily invested in energy stocks. I guess I am part of this conspiracy.
 
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