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Actually, things pretty much suck here in Michigan. Delphi, GM, Ford, K-Mart.............. 7.1% unemployment. About an equal amount who's benefits have expired and are no longer counted. Extremely high vacancy rates in retail, commercial and especially apartments. Retail sales are way down as are new car sales. New home sales are up, though.

Anybody hear of any good news coming out of Michigan except the Pistons? How 'bout those Lions?
 
barry2952 said:
Actually, things pretty much suck here in Michigan. Delphi, GM, Ford, K-Mart.............. 7.1% unemployment. About an equal amount who's benefits have expired and are no longer counted. Extremely high vacancy rates in retail, commercial and especially apartments. Retail sales are way down as are new car sales. New home sales are up, though.

Look in your own back yard at the foreign cars that you own. Maybe you will figure it out.
 
barry2952 said:
Actually, things pretty much suck here in Michigan. Delphi, GM, Ford, K-Mart.............. 7.1% unemployment. About an equal amount who's benefits have expired and are no longer counted. Extremely high vacancy rates in retail, commercial and especially apartments. Retail sales are way down as are new car sales. New home sales are up, though.

Anybody hear of any good news coming out of Michigan except the Pistons? How 'bout those Lions?

Actually, it's interesting you bring this up. Rush took a call the other day from a lady who said almost verbatim what you just said. His response was very profound.
 
People in the remaining Blue states, particularly in the Democrat strong hold cities, think the rest of the country is as bad off as they are. What they don't understand is that the Red states are where all the opportunity went as it fled from the represive taxation, regulation, and failed liberal philosophies entrenched in the old cities.
 
Here, let me help:

Barry, you can move to any state that's red. Just don't tell anybody where you're from.

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barry2952 said:
Actually, things pretty much suck here in Michigan. Delphi, GM, Ford, K-Mart.............. 7.1% unemployment. About an equal amount who's benefits have expired and are no longer counted. Extremely high vacancy rates in retail, commercial and especially apartments. Retail sales are way down as are new car sales. New home sales are up, though.

Anybody hear of any good news coming out of Michigan except the Pistons? How 'bout those Lions?

Could have something to do with the fact that Michigan is run by a Socialist from Canada. The property taxes are asinine, the business climate is "let's harrass business." The largest city in the state is a national embarrassment, in a tie with New Orleans for the worst governed city in the country. It's run, of course, by good Democrats. The roads still rank 50th in the country in smoothness, and they're weed infested and littered to boot. Even the weather is wretched, although, unlike the Left, I won't try to blame the weather on a politician.

I moved to Georgia, from Michigan, 5 years ago. You couldn't force me at gunpoint to move back. My mother and sister moved from Michigan to North Carolina last year. We're all in Red States now, and couldn't be happier to leave Michigan behind. Let the Good Times Roll. :D
 
Vitas said:
Look in your own back yard at the foreign cars that you own. Maybe you will figure it out.

As usual Vitas is stating, incorrectly again, facts that are not in evidence.

In fact, the last 10 out of 12 vehicles I've purchased have been American made. My only three foreign cars were made in 1955 and (2)1988.

Besides, I thought one of the freedoms I thought we had in this country was to buy whatever we want to buy.
 
RB3 said:
Could have something to do with the fact that Michigan is run by a Socialist from Canada. The property taxes are asinine, the business climate is "let's harrass business." The largest city in the state is a national embarrassment, in a tie with New Orleans for the worst governed city in the country. It's run, of course, by good Democrats. The roads still rank 50th in the country in smoothness, and they're weed infested and littered to boot. Even the weather is wretched, although, unlike the Left, I won't try to blame the weather on a politician.

I moved to Georgia, from Michigan, 5 years ago. You couldn't force me at gunpoint to move back. My mother and sister moved from Michigan to North Carolina last year. We're all in Red States now, and couldn't be happier to leave Michigan behind. Let the Good Times Roll. :D

Or could it be that the previous Republican administration (remember Engler?) left the state in dire straights by fixing the facts around the reality. Sound familiar?

What's so great about Georgia? Oh yeah, Y'all eat your roadkill.:eek:

Here's a wine list at fine Georgia restaurants:

Chateau Traileur Parc


White Trashfindel


Big Red Gulp


World Championship Riesling


NASCARbernet


Chef Boyardeaux


Peanut Noir


I Can't Believe It's Not Vinegar!


Grape Expectations


Nasti Spumante
 
barry2952 said:
Or could it be that the previous Republican administration (remember Engler?) left the state in dire straights by fixing the facts around the reality. Sound familiar?

What's so great about Georgia? Oh yeah, Y'all eat your roadkill.:eek:

Here's a wine list at fine Georgia restaurants:

Chateau Traileur Parc


White Trashfindel


Big Red Gulp


World Championship Riesling


NASCARbernet


Chef Boyardeaux


Peanut Noir


I Can't Believe It's Not Vinegar!


Grape Expectations


Nasti Spumante

Yes, I remember Engler. He was the last good governor, elected to three terms, before all the smart people moved out.

What's so great about Georgia? Well, lets see....my property taxes were cut in half, my car insurance was cut in half, the roads are much better, the food is better, the service in restaurants is better, the people are harder working, smarter, and MUCH friendlier, the sun shines (remember the sun? perhaps you seen pictures of it), my neighbors are all Republicans, there is ZERO unemployment where I live, and yesterday, I took my Lincoln convertible to lunch, with the top down, wearing my shorts. Did you? :cool:

And we drink Australian and Chilean wines here primarily. Never French.
 
barry2952 said:
in fact, the last 10 out of 12 vehicles I've purchased have been American made. My only three foreign cars were made in 1955 and (2)1988.

Besides, I thought one of the freedoms I thought we had in this country was to buy whatever we want to buy.

thats still buying a foreign car...from somebodythat bought a foreign car, which means that just because you didnt buy a new foreign car, that means that it gives them the means to go to honda and pick up a new accord.

We have many freedoms, but we also must accept the consiquences that come with bad decisions.
 
barry2952 said:
As usual Vitas is stating, incorrectly again, facts that are not in evidence.

In fact, the last 10 out of 12 vehicles I've purchased have been American made. My only three foreign cars were made in 1955 and (2)1988.

Besides, I thought one of the freedoms I thought we had in this country was to buy whatever we want to buy.

You are, once again "trying" to impugn my integrity.
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Prove it, or RETRACT your confusion.

Recently you made an intentionally MALICIOUS post which had no truth to it, which was removed by the forum moderators. I see "a pattern" here.
 
A perfect GDP report'
Reading shows economy humming at a solid clip with few signs that inflation's a major problem.
November 30, 2005: 11:27 AM EST
By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The economy shook off Hurricane Katrina and just about every other obstacle in the third quarter, growing at the fastest rate in a year and a half and topping even the most optimistic forecasts, a government report showed Wednesday.

The growth came without any troubling signs of rising inflation -- news that's good for workers on Main Street and investors on Wall Street.

Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, grew at a 4.3 percent annual rate in the quarter, the Commerce Department said, up from its original estimate of 3.8 percent growth made a month ago. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast that GDP growth would be revised up to a 4 percent rate.

The revised reading was the fastest pace of growth since the first quarter of 2004 and well above the 3.3 percent rate of growth in the second quarter.
 
Hey, nobody spins good news to look bad like the NEW YORK TIMES.

Upbeat Signs Hold Cautions for the Future

By VIKAS BAJAJ
Published: November 30, 2005

Gasoline is cheaper than it was before Hurricane Katrina slammed into New Orleans. Consumer confidence jumped last month and new- home sales hit a record. The stock market has been rising. Even the nation's beleaguered factories seem headed for a happy holiday season.

By most measures, the economy appears to be doing fine. No, scratch that, it appears to be booming.

But as always with the United States economy, it is not quite that simple.

For every encouraging sign, there is an explanation. Consumer confidence is bouncing back from what were arguably some of its worst readings in years. Gasoline prices - the national average is now $2.15, according to the Energy Information Administration - have fallen because higher prices held down demand and Gulf Coast supplies have been slowly restored.

The latest reading on home sales, released yesterday, contradicts most recent measures of housing activity, which generally indicate a slowdown. And, yes, manufacturers' fortunes are on the mend, but few besides airplane makers are celebrating.

It all means the economy is likely to end the year with a splash. But before you splurge on a new car, consider this: Many economists do not expect the party to continue, especially if the Federal Reserve continues taking the punchbowl away and raises interest rates. That could further slow the housing market, damp consumer spending and crimp corporate profits.

Indeed, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said yesterday that 2005 growth would most likely settle at 3.6 percent, down from 4.2 percent in 2004. The organization also forecast 2006 growth at 3.5 percent, but other economists think that may be too optimistic.

"The two major concerns are the extent of slowdown in housing and how it can feed into growth and consumer spending," said Joshua Shapiro, chief United States economist at Maria Fiorini Ramirez Inc., a research firm in New York.

Many analysts, including Mr. Shapiro, say a housing slowdown is already under way. Along with rising interest rates and anemic job growth, any such drop-off could sap the economy next year - by just how much is still subject to debate.

Americans have taken advantage of historically low mortgage rates to buy homes, refinance existing loans and borrow money for renovations or other household needs, all of them important and substantial spurs to spending, Mr. Shapiro said.

While neither he nor others expect that activity to dry up, even a modest tapering off could knock growth down a peg or two. Mr. Shapiro, for one, says growth could drop from 3.5 percent in 2005 to 3.2 percent in 2006.

The average interest rate on a 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage was 6.28 percent last week, up from a low of 5.53 percent in June, according to Freddie Mac, the housing-finance company.

The Commerce Department said yesterday that new-home sales jumped 13 percent in October, to an annual pace of 1.42 million, a record. But that contradicted earlier data showing sales of existing homes slowing, construction activity easing, mortgage applications falling and confidence declining among home builders.

Two possible explanations for the record pace of new-home sales are that buyers see a final opportunity to purchase a new house before interest rates go up again, and they are taking advantage of sales incentives that some home builders are now offering. But not everyone agrees.

"I basically have a wait-and-see attitude with some healthy suspicion about this report," said David F. Seiders, chief economist at the National Association of Home Builders. "Either there is something that all of those other reports are not telling us, or this will get revised."

In another seemingly upbeat report, the Conference Board, a research group supported by business, said consumer confidence jumped 16 percent. Still, it is below the pre-Katrina level. And the Commerce Department said orders for durable goods - big-ticket items that last more than three years - jumped 3.4 percent, but most of that increase was concentrated in military and commercial planes.

Of course, if this was a Kerry or Clinton presidency, this news would be POSITIVE POSITIVE POSITIVE.
 
Pouting Pundits of Pessimism
Every bit of good economic news gives them reason for despair.

BY BRIAN S. WESBURY
Friday, December 2, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST


During a quarter century of analyzing and forecasting the economy, I have never seen anything like this. No matter what happens, no matter what data are released, no matter which way markets move, a pall of pessimism hangs over the economy.

It is amazing. Everything is negative. When bond yields rise, it is considered bad for the housing market and the consumer. But if bond yields fall and the yield curve narrows toward inversion, that is bad too, because an inverted yield curve could signal a recession.

If housing data weaken, as they did on Monday when existing home sales fell, well that is a sign of a bursting housing bubble. If housing data strengthen, as they did on Tuesday when new home sales rose, that is negative because the Fed may raise rates further. If foreigners buy our bonds, we are not saving for ourselves. If foreigners do not buy our bonds, interest rates could rise. If wages go up, inflation is coming. If wages go down, the economy is in trouble.

This onslaught of negative thinking is clearly having an impact. During the 2004 presidential campaign, when attacks on the economy were in full force, 36% of Americans thought we were in recession. One year later, even though unemployment has fallen from 5.5% to 5%, and real GDP has expanded by 3.7%, the number who think a recession is underway has climbed to 43%.

This is a real conundrum. It is true, bad things have happened. Katrina wiped out a major city and many people are still displaced. GM has announced massive layoffs. Underfunded pension plans are being handed off to the government. Oil, gasoline and natural gas prices have soared. Despite it all, the U.S. economy continues to flourish.

One would think that this would give pouting pundits reason to question their pessimism. After all, politicians who bounce back from scandal get monikers such as "the comeback kid." Athletes who overcome personal tragedy or sickness to achieve greatness are called "heroes." This is a quintessential American tradition, and the economy is following the script perfectly. The more hardship it faces, the more resilient it appears. The list of pessimistic forecasts that have been proved wrong grows by the day.
The trade deficit was supposed to cause a collapse in the dollar; but the dollar is up 10% versus the euro in the past eight months. The budget deficit was supposed to push up interest rates; yet the 10-year Treasury yield, at 4.5%, is well below its 2000 average yield of 6% when the U.S. faced surpluses as far as the eye could see.

Sharp declines in consumer confidence and rising oil prices were supposed to hurt retail sales; but holiday shopping is strong. Many fear that China is stealing our jobs, but new reports suggest that U.S. manufacturers are so strong that a shortage of skilled production workers has developed. And since the Fed started hiking interest rates 16 months ago, 3.5 million new jobs and $750 billion in additional personal income have been created. Stocks are also up, which according to pundits was unlikely as long as the Fed was hiking rates.

So, where is all of the pessimism coming from? [THE MEDIA!!!] Some say that the anxiety is warranted. The theory goes like this: Globalization and technology are a massive force that levels the playing field. Because capital and ideas can move freely around the world, foreign wages will move up, while U.S. wages fall, until some sort of equilibrium is found. It's a compelling story. After all, real average hourly earnings in the U.S. fell 1.6% during the 12 months ending in October.

However, there are numerous reasons to believe that this statistic is not giving an accurate picture of the economy's health. First, history shows that when oil prices rise sharply, real earnings take a temporary hit. As a result, a snapshot of inflation-adjusted earnings data in the wake of Katrina is misleading.

Moreover, for the past 30 years, real average hourly earnings have declined by an annual average of 0.1%. But this can't possibly reflect reality. In the past 30 years, cell phones and computers have become ubiquitous. Home and auto ownership have climbed. More people dine out; travel; attend sporting events, movies and rock concerts; and join health clubs. Over those same 30 years, real per capita consumption has increased at an average annual rate of 2.3%. Hourly earnings data do not include tips, bonuses, commissions or benefits, and therefore will always lag actual increases in living standards.

Some observers of the current economy, such as New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman and former Clinton economic adviser Gene Sperling, argue correctly that globalization is inevitable and, in fact, good. Nonetheless, they focus on those who are hurt by the transitional impact and suggest that government intervene to offset any damage from plant closures or job losses.

But this has never worked. The history of economic progress is one of innovation and change. This "creative destruction" can never be a pain-free experience for every individual involved. The new must replace the old. Attempting to alter this fact of life, and create a utopia where no one experiences pain, has always led to more unhappiness than before. Germany's near 11% unemployment rate and the recent riots in France are the latest evidence of government's inability to successfully fight market forces.

One key reason the U.S. economy has outperformed other industrialized nations, and exceeded its long-run average growth rate during the past two years, is the tax cut of 2003. [THANK YOU GEORGE W. BUSH!]By reducing taxes on investment, the U.S. boosted growth, which in turn created new jobs that replace those that are lost as the old economy dies. Ireland is also a beautiful example of the power of tax cuts to boost growth and lift living standards.

Economic growth is the only true shock absorber for an economy in transition. To minimize the pain of technological globalization and address the anxiety that these forces are creating, free-market policies must be followed. While tremendous pressures are building to increase government involvement in the economy, it is important that the U.S. stay the course that brought it out of recession.

To meet the challenges that lie ahead, a vibrant, flexible and expanding economy is absolutely necessary. While it is tempting to think that government programs are necessary to address anxiety, in reality only the free market can successfully navigate today's rough waters. In the end, it will be the private sector, not the public sector, that quells all this anxiety and creates the opportunities so many desire.

Mr. Wesbury is chief investment strategist with Claymore Advisors LLC.
 
barry2952 said:
As usual Vitas is stating, incorrectly again, facts that are not in evidence.

It is beyond bizarre that Barry makes his claim.

Some FACTS

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barry2952
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Joined: 23 Nov 2002
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Location: Farmington Hills, Michigan
Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:39 am Post subject:

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Deco asked about Lincoln owners who have foreign cars. I drove nothing but foreign cars from the late '70s to date. I couldn't stand to look at what the American car manufacturers were offering and the same holds true today (except the new Mustang).

American cars failed to hold their value and were uninspiring drivers. I only rented Lincolns when I traveled because the car rental firms never offered foreign cars except in LA and San Franscisco.

I still have the '88 BMW750il and '88 325ix we bought new. We also have a '97 BMW Z3 and a '98 Mercedes ML-320 (105,000 miles). All of them run and look like new. That can't be said for American iron of the same period.

However, my last three automotive purchases have been a '77 Town Car, '56 Mark II convertible and last a '68 6-door Lincoln limo.

Apparently my tastes have changed.

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barry2952
Addicted to Lincolns


Joined: 23 Nov 2002
Posts: 1819
Location: Farmington Hills, Michigan
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject:

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Let's see, I've owned a couple of sports cars. My TR-6 was a sports car. I had a couple of Porsche 356s for a time and we curently have a BMW Z3. Those are sports cars.

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http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=1322

Count Barry's FOREIGN vehicles. Including his WORK vehicle.

He lives near Dearborn, buys foreign vehicles, and then S-P-I-T-S, at anyone that he can, when it is obvious, that his situation is HIS OWN FAULT.
 
Interestingly-
If I buy a new Ford, it's built in Mexico.
If I buy a Honda, it was built in Maryland.
 
Facts are Vitas,

My ML-320 and BMZ-3 were both made by Americans, sold by American dealers and serviced by American workers. I haven't bought a foreign made car since 1988. Not that it's any of your business though.

Stuff it!
 
barry2952 said:
Facts are Vitas,

My ML-320 and BMZ-3 were both made by Americans, sold by American dealers and serviced by American workers. I haven't bought a foreign made car since 1988. Not that it's any of your business though.

Stuff it!

Stuff it yourself, Barry, the bulk of the profits go to the FOREIGN companies,

And you live within a few miles of DEARBORN.

How can you live with yourself?

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY TRY TO DO BUSSINESS IN DEARBORN, WITH A FOREIGN vehicle?

AND THEN YOU TRY TO BLAME BUSH for YOUR decisions. It is LAUGHABLE.
 
Folks purchasing Toyotas are but a tip of the iceberg.

People whose main puchasing criteria is low price drive the flood of imported goods we buy and the long term high cost of labor, law suits, and government micro-management make jobs fly away to other shores.

Companies and local governments are also starting to feel the impact of pensions they must fund as the number of retired employees climbs due to aging baby boomers.

Save your butt, and your kids. Buy American even if it may costs a couple bucks more, keep government in check, and make your union act responsibly.
 
Calabrio said:
A perfect GDP report'
Reading shows economy humming at a solid clip with few signs that inflation's a major problem.
November 30, 2005: 11:27 AM EST
By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The economy shook off Hurricane Katrina and just about every other obstacle in the third quarter, growing at the fastest rate in a year and a half and topping even the most optimistic forecasts, a government report showed Wednesday.

The growth came without any troubling signs of rising inflation -- news that's good for workers on Main Street and investors on Wall Street.

Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, grew at a 4.3 percent annual rate in the quarter, the Commerce Department said, up from its original estimate of 3.8 percent growth made a month ago. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast that GDP growth would be revised up to a 4 percent rate.

The revised reading was the fastest pace of growth since the first quarter of 2004 and well above the 3.3 percent rate of growth in the second quarter.

Yep, the economy is doing great, for Challiburton at least---
Halliburton announces 284 percent increase in war profits
25 July 2005

WASHINGTON, July 25 (HalliburtonWatch.org) -- Halliburton announced on Friday that its KBR division, responsible for carrying out Pentagon contracts, experienced a 284 percent increase in operating profits during the second quarter of this year.

The increase in profits was primarily due to the Pentagon's payment of "award fees" for what military officials call "good" or "very good" work done by KBR in the Middle East for America's taxpayers and the troops.

Despite the scandals that plague KBR's military contracts, the Pentagon awarded $70 million in "award" fees to the company, along with four ratings of "excellent" and two ratings of "very good" for the troop logistics work under the Army's LOGCAP contract.

The Pentagon has provided preferential treatment to Halliburton on a number of occasions, including the concealment from the public of critical reports by military auditors.

Audits conducted by the Pentagon's Defense Contract Audit Agency determined that KBR had $1 billion in "questioned" expenses (i.e. expenses which military auditors consider "unreasonable") and $442 million in "unsupported" expenses (i.e. expenses which military auditors have determined contain no receipt or any explanation on how the expenses were disbursed).

But the top Pentagon brass ignored these audits and rewarded KBR's work anyway.

Halliburton's earnings announcement comes on the heels of new reports showing the Iraq and Afghan wars have already cost U.S. taxpayers $314 billion and that another ten years of war will cost $700 billion.

In another coup for Halliburton, a federal judge this month decided that whistleblowers may not sue U.S. companies for fraud if payment for services was made in Iraqi, not U.S., money. Halliburton was paid over $1 billion in Iraqi oil money during the first 15 months of the occupation. The judge's ruling means the False Claims Act cannot be used to offer large rewards to corporate insiders who reveal wrongdoing or overcharges for services. The law is considered America's most successful deterrent against contractor fraud, but the judge's decision will help Halliburton and other contractors avoid tough scrutiny in Iraq.
 
Sounds like GREAT news to me. Three cheers for Halliburton and United States Law!!! Finally a good story about some REAL GOOD NEWS happening in Iraq, and business profiting to boot!

:wave

Phil, you're such a hater. I bet you wish Saddam was back in control of Iraq and still oppressing his own people while thumbing his nose at us.
 

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