I'd like to kick this cop in the face!

[Calabrio]

Come on.

You're associating an outrageous hypothetical to this video.
And in doing so, it's critically undermining your point.

First, the officer isn't acting as a judge, jury, or executing the punishment in this video. He appears to be securing the situation to prevent any additional mayhem, loss of life, or violence. The lone officer doesn't beat the suspect, he simply secures the situation and waits for the back up to arrive.

If he'd pulled out his billy club and started wailing on the guy, you'd have a point, but a quick shot like that is both controlled and responsible.

Concerns about some kind of police state are valid, but unsupported by this video.

Vote in judges that won't just slap the bad guys hands over and over.

And change the laws to deal with criminal behavior so there in an actual disincentive to commit the crime in the first place.

Knowing officers who enjoy excitement or adrenaline shouldn't be stated like it's a bad trait or to punish them all. Not everyone can handle the job, and that embrace and recognition of danger is a useful.

You're point about the judges is valid. Repeat offenders like this guy need not be back on the street time and time again, to be pursued over and over.

 

[Frogman]

I dont know what gated community you live in, where there are obviously "no criminal element" for you to deal with..

No Gated Community gates where he lives.

 

[XLRVIII]

so where is this gingerbread land he calls home?

 

[Frogman]

LOL @ you. I know where the man lives. But I will respect his privacy and not mention city and state. He doesn't live in the slums, he lives in a very nice area. But by no means the "poshest" part of town.

 

[Black87LSC]

This was not undeserved. He placed a huge amount of the public in danger, and then disrespected the police by running and thinking he could get away. What was he thinking with a helicopter in plain sight?! The high-five at the end was mildly amusing. I mighta kicked him again Saying this guy is a bad cop is like saying kid spanking is bad. While it might be a little barbaric, it will ALWAYS get the point across.

 

[MonsterMark]

If he'd pulled out his billy club and started wailing on the guy, you'd have a point, but a quick shot like that is both controlled and responsible.

LMAO. Controlled and Responsible.

Irresponsible and Uncontrolled is closer to the truth.:shifty:

What ever happened to "don't move or I'll shoot". I know this keystone cop was taught to yell that at his highest pitchy tone to get the perps attention.

I feel comfort in knowing that your taxes for the next 20 years are going to pay for some gangbangers injuries because a cop was a dumbass and was taking the law into his own hands.

Figure out who's gonna get the last laugh.

 

[MonsterMark]

I don't particularly agree with this technique being used in civilian life, especially Law Enforcement. But sometimes, you just gotta kick some heads... ~shrug~

So I take it you agree with the cheapshot?

How screwed up is our world when I guy like ME has to come to the defense of a POS like that guy?

 

[Frogman]

I'd have prolly just shot the perp... but that's me.

Was it a cheap shot? Yeah. Was it fully intentional? I don't know.

 

[Calabrio]

I feel comfort in knowing that your taxes for the next 20 years are going to pay for some gangbangers injuries because a cop was a dumbass and was taking the law into his own hands.

Figure out who's gonna get the last laugh.

You're right, this gangbanger may well make money off of this.
But that's not because the officer did anything wrong, but because we live in an intensely political correct society run by lawyers who think they understand the use of force and aggression because someone once bumped into them on a basketball court at their health club.

I don't see an officer taking the law into his own hands in the video.
But I do see legions of people viewing this video safely from their desks condemning a man who just chased down a gang member who was likely hiding a knife or handgun underneath him. The feminized armchair quarterbacking of law enforcement and the coddling of criminals needs to stop.

The implication is always that police force is getting worse, but how differently do you think the police would have handled that situation 20 or 30 years ago? They didn't beat the hell out of this guy, no one pulled a club out and got a few free hits in.

The only thing wrong with this video is the perception of it.

How screwed up is our world when I guy like ME has to come to the defense of a POS like that guy?

I think you're convinced that the perp had "given up" and that the situation was secure. I'm not, nor do I think the officer in the video was either. This wasn't a soccer mom not wearing her seat belt, it was a violent offender with no regard to public safety.

You said it looked uncontrolled- but I've seen uncontrolled rage before and it didn't look like a swift little controlled kick to the head followed by stepping back and waiting for back up and then relaxing and tossing around high fives.

 

[luxuryrules]

You say that in a casual way, like "getting wet is part of the job when you work at a car wash." It's not the same. Realizing those things could and will happen is not the same thing as tolerating them and being numb to responding to it. This is LIFE AND DEATH.

Yep, it sure is life and death. And the people who choose it as a profession are well aware of that.

What was unprofessional about it.
What if the guy had been lying down on top of a weapon and planning to ambush the officer? Why do YOU presume the chase and danger was over because a VIOLENT DRUG DEALING GANG MEMBER who had just spent nearly the last hour jeopardizing the lives of nearly everyone in that community had suddenly gotten on the ground?

Do you think the gang member "plays fair."

It's not like the officer beat the hell out of the guy, he gave him a swift little shot, and then proceeded to arrest him. The more I watch the video, the more I support the officer. That WAS restraint. He was quickly getting the situation under control so that no other innocent people and officers would be put at risk.

It is unprofessional because it is unnecessary and brutal. The job of the police is to enforce the law, and the law does not state that criminals should be kicked in the face. Rather, the justice system spells out what punishments are reasonable for what crimes, etc. All the cop needs to do is subdue the suspect and bring him to justice, and let the courts do the punishing - by overstepping his bounds, it is unprofessional.

Of course, a large part of your argument is based on the possibility that the suspect was planning an ambush or the chase wasn't completely over. If you note carefully, the suspects hands were plainly visible and well away from his body, which is a little difficult to ambush somebody from. Let's take this "hidden weapon" theory of yours - lay on top of a weapon like the suspect, with your hands outstretched as his were, and see how long it takes for you to bring that weapon to bear on somebody behind you. If he had had a weapon, by the time he stuck his hand back under his body to retrieve it, the officers could have been on top of him or knocked him out with a blow to the back of the head - or worse. Hate to say it, but the chase was over. All they needed to do was jump on him and cuff him.

If you think the chase wasn't over when the suspect was lying prone on the ground, then I can respect your opinion and we will have to agree to disagree.

I don't know where the "hate crime" part of this story is going, but especially after reading Frogman's take on it, I'm increasingly convinced that the guy is completely vindicated. That the kick wasn't just frustration or anger, but a responsible action.

Nah, I wasn't thinking of the hate crime part of the story, more of the history of the officer's behavior. If he's got a history of brutality, then he has no business carrying a badge; but if this is an isolated instance, then I agree with what you said before about a simple write up or suspension will do.

The officer can anticipate having to chase suspects and be put in life or death situations, but at no time is he expected to put YOUR (collective you- you specifically - I realize how sensitive to that you are) conscience and lofty social conscience before his ability to make it home to his family. Those aren't sacrificial lambs in uniform.

I never said they were. Their job is to enforce the law, and the law does not allow for officers of the law to assault suspects before due process. I myself don't particularly live to a high moral code, and I would've had no problem tussling with that guy were he to endanger myself, my friends or family, etc. In fact, I have done so to protect myself and my property, without getting the police involved. But then again, my job is not to uphold the law, it is simply me acting in self preservation.

 

[taylor414ce2003]

Yep, it sure is life and death. And the people who choose it as a profession are well aware of that.

. Rather, the justice system spells out what punishments are reasonable for what crimes, etc.


Now we get to the root of the problem!! punishments dont fit the crimes! murderers and rapests are set free daily.Cops do their job and the dirtbag is back on the street, sometimes within hours

 

[Calabrio]

Yep, it sure is life and death. And the people who choose it as a profession are well aware of that.

But that doesn't mean it's to be tolerated or accepted.
Those things are unfortunate realities, but that doesn't mean they should be taken casually.

It is unprofessional because it is unnecessary and brutal.

Says you- and you base that professional assesment based on what?
Who has more training, the officer or you?
Who was on the scene, who knows the history of the criminal, who was facing a possible life or death situation where either he, other law enforcement, or innocent civilians, were at risk of being hurt or killed.

So what was unprofessional? The guy was down. So what.
You want to be your life that he's not hiding a weapon or waiting for an opportunity to maim you?

No-It's not his job to get killed in the pursuit of some idiotic, Pollyanna view of life and law enforcement.

The job of the police is to enforce the law, and the law does not state that criminals should be kicked in the face. Rather, the justice system spells out what punishments are reasonable for what crimes, etc. All the cop needs to do is subdue the suspect and bring him to justice, and let the courts do the punishing - by overstepping his bounds, it is unprofessional.

I argue and I'm sure he would argue that he wasn't administering justice in that video, simply making sure the situation was safe for himself, the public, the approaching officers AND the suspect himself.

He didn't step on the guys head, hit him repeatedly with clubs to release anger, he checked the guy and then backed off until reinforcements could secure him. JOB WELL DONE I say.

Of course, a large part of your argument is based on the possibility that the suspect was planning an ambush or the chase wasn't completely over. If you note carefully, the suspects hands were plainly visible and well away from his body, which is a little difficult to ambush somebody from.

Bet your life on it?

All they needed to do was jump on him and cuff him.

Right, that's all there is to it.
Just jump on and cuff him....

Want to bet your life on it? How about your friends life?

If you think the chase wasn't over when the suspect was lying prone on the ground, then I can respect your opinion and we will have to agree to disagree.

It's not up to me, I'm sitting behind a computer, days later, perfectly safe and sound while I view the video from the vantage of a helicopter.

I'm not on the ground, I'm not scanning the area for other bad guys, weapons, or animals. I haven't been in a dash for two blocks, jumping over fences and such, worried about being shot. I haven't seen the car lose control and crash into the sidewalk. And I haven't been involved in a 40 minute car chase.

I can review the video, maybe hit pause, scan the backyard, and then watch the movements of the suspect. I can rewind it and take note of the way his hands are placed.

The chase apparently WAS over. That's not a debate item, nor is it something we disagree with. It has to do with the officers perception as he entered the situation. And I think he responded responsibly. He COULD have been less aggressive, but it wasn't WRONG how he did respond.





Nah, I wasn't thinking of the hate crime part of the story, more of the history of the officer's behavior. If he's got a history of brutality, then he has no business carrying a badge; but if this is an isolated instance, then I agree with what you said before about a simple write up or suspension will do.



I never said they were. Their job is to enforce the law, and the law does not allow for officers of the law to assault suspects before due process. I myself don't particularly live to a high moral code, and I would've had no problem tussling with that guy were he to endanger myself, my friends or family, etc. In fact, I have done so to protect myself and my property, without getting the police involved. But then again, my job is not to uphold the law, it is simply me acting in self preservation.[/QUOTE]