Iran says it won't halt atomic work

Calabrio

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So, what is the compromise available here? Is anyone comfortable with Iran continuing it's development of nuclear weapons, and if military strikes and sanctions (which will cause Iran to strike out) are off the table, how do you suppose we address this problem?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060820/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc

Iran says it won't halt atomic work

By Edmund Blair2 hours, 15 minutes ago

Iran said on Sunday it would not suspend uranium enrichment, ruling out the main demand in a nuclear package backed by six world powers that aims to allay Western fears Tehran is seeking to build atomic bombs.

Iran says it will formally respond by Tuesday to proposals made by the United States, Russia, China, France, Britain and Germany. The six have offered incentives for Iran to suspend enrichment, a process that has both military and civilian uses.

Tehran, which insists its nuclear aims are purely civilian, shows no sign of accepting the package.

"We are not going to suspend (enrichment). The issue was that everything should come out of negotiations, but suspension of uranium enrichment is not on our agenda," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told a weekly news conference.

Western diplomats say Iran must halt the atomic work before talks can start. Any response that falls short of that is likely to be considered a rejection of the offer in Western capitals.

"As the proposal has had several dimensions, our answer will be multi-dimensional too," Asefi said, suggesting Iran will not give a clear 'yes' or 'no'.

Iran's case has already been sent back to the U.N. Security Council because Tehran did not reply quickly enough and, last month, the council passed a resolution demanding Iran suspend enrichment by August 31 or face possible sanctions.

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The package offers Iran state-of-the-art nuclear technology, the easing of some trade restrictions and other incentives such as support for a regional security dialogue.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in a statement, appealed to Iran to respond positively.

"Iran's reply will, I trust, be positive and that this will be the foundation for a final, negotiated settlement," he said.

The United States has said it will join multilateral talks with Iran if it accepts, a move seen as a policy shift in Washington which cut ties with Tehran after the 1979 Islamic revolution. But Washington has also warned of swift U.N. action if Iran refuses.

Western diplomats who follow the work of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) say Iran has been "complicating" the U.N. watchdog's work in monitoring nuclear sites in the run-up to the August 31 deadline, denying entry to a senior inspector and cutting back on multiple-entry visas for IAEA staff.

"It's not outright obstruction, but Iran is creating complications within its rights (not created before). They have reduced cooperation to a minimum under treaty obligations," one Western diplomat in Europe said.

Asefi said one inspector had been "replaced on Iran's request" although he said Iran was continuing to give routine access. But he suggested this policy could change.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has threatened to quit the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty if Iran feels undue pressure.

Analysts say Iran's defiance may be based on a calculation that divisions at the United Nations mean it will only face modest measures such as travel restrictions on officials or asset freezes. The world's fourth-largest oil exporter, brimming with petrodollars, feels it can cope with such steps.

Permanent Security Council members United States, Britain and France back sanctions, but China and Russia, the two other members with veto powers, oppose such steps.

The United States says it wants a diplomatic solution to the nuclear standoff but has refused to rule out military action.

(Additional reporting by Parisa Hafezi and Alireza Ronaghi in Tehran and Mark Heinrich in London)
 
Iran will strike first. It is inevitable. What Russia and China do after that will determine the course for mankind. Right now, things don't look good.

I'm hoping our EMP capability is up to snuff by then. It would be nice to knock out most of the Middle East's electronics and see if that does anything to change their ways. I doubt it though. I only see one end, and it is not good. One side wants to die and pretty soon they'll have the means to deliver their own fate.

Which reminds me. I need a backup computer module and starter solenoid so I can at least get the he!! out of the area when the crap hits the fan.
 
You mean they are continuing enrichment within the reactor that the US gave them??
 
Here is the media in all its glorious action. And it doesn't spin...lol. Source...The HuffPo.
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A CNN poll released Wednesday stated that 55% of Americans believe the war in Iraq has made the US less safe from terrorist attacks, while 59% believe the terrorism is a greater threat internationally than before the war. [Shocking News from that poll, right? But read on.]

These statistics reflect a general anxiety among Americans about the war In Iraq and the government's handling of national security. Thirty-two percent of Americans believe the country is no safer since the 9/11 attacks, and 23% believe the US is actually less safe. [Ah, so that's how they do arithmetic. They are soo desperate to win an election it is not even funny anymore]. American also fear a new attack is imminent: 54% believe a terrorist attack on the US in the next few weeks is "very likely" or "somewhat likely," and 55% say the government unprepared to handle such an attack.
 
Yeah, GWB's government has done such a great job of responding to emergencies. Wonder why people feel that way? Can you spell Katrina?
 
barry2952 said:
Yeah, GWB's government has done such a great job of responding to emergencies. Wonder why people feel that way? Can you spell Katrina?

Bush's response to Katrina was better than the governor's or the mayor's. There's still billions of dollars unspent that Bush sent down there.

But thank you for spouting the "cradle to the grave" viewpoint.
 
fossten said:
Bush's response to Katrina was better than the governor's or the mayor's. There's still billions of dollars unspent that Bush sent down there.

But thank you for spouting the "cradle to the grave" viewpoint.

Another indefensible response to an indefensible response to our citizen's needs. But thanks for your "opinion".
 
barry2952 said:
Another indefensible response to an indefensible response to our citizen's needs. But thanks for your "opinion".

And thank you for once again failing to respond to it with facts or logic.
 
barry2952 said:
Yeah, GWB's government has done such a great job of responding to emergencies. Wonder why people feel that way? Can you spell Katrina?

The impression that the federal government performed historically badly following hurricane Katrina is a myth. Hurricane Katrina certainly isn' the focus of this thread, but I have a pet peeve about leaving that issue unaddressed.

Popular Science did an examination of the myths surrounding Katrina.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/katrina
 
Calabrio said:
The impression that the federal government performed historically badly following hurricane Katrina is a myth. Hurricane Katrina certainly isn' the focus of this thread, but I have a pet peeve about leaving that issue unaddressed.

Popular Science did an examination of the myths surrounding Katrina.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/katrina

Even GWB stated that the Fed response was sub par. Why do you keep defending it?
 
barry2952 said:
Even GWB stated that the Fed response was sub par. Why do you keep defending it?

GWB is a politician. In politics, perception becomes the rule. It'd be political suicide for any politician to invest more political capitol to argue the realities of Katrina.

But the feds actually performed better than they had in past disasters. Unfortuantely, incompetence at the state level, compounded with a hungry media looking to slime the President, lead to the gross distortion of this story.

But don't take my word for it, just read the article(s) linked above.
 
Calabrio said:
GWB is a politician. In politics, perception becomes the rule. It'd be political suicide for any politician to invest more political capitol to argue the realities of Katrina.

But the feds actually performed better than they had in past disasters. Unfortuantely, incompetence at the state level, compounded with a hungry media looking to slime the President, lead to the gross distortion of this story.

But don't take my word for it, just read the article(s) linked above.
You're wasting your time.

He doesn't want the truth, he only wants to attack Bush and keep hating him.

I posted that article a long time ago. I guarantee he not only didn't read it, but he won't read it now.
 
fossten said:
You're wasting your time.

He doesn't want the truth, he only wants to attack Bush and keep hating him.

I posted that article a long time ago. I guarantee he not only didn't read it, but he won't read it now.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He listened to a 40 minute Glenn Beck interview this week, the PM article is a much smaller commitment.
 
Fussy has clearly stated that he doesn't care what any of us think. Why should anyone care what he thinks?
 
barry2952 said:
Fussy has clearly stated that he doesn't care what any of us think. [whiny voice] Why should anyone care what he thinks?

Gee, barbie, that's a loaded question. Don't start crying now.
 
As entertaining as that might be, let's move along.

Barry, I would suggest you read the Popular Science article. It doesn't make excuses for anyone, nor does it downplay the horror that took place. But it does take a very objective and scientific look at the events and puts them all into their perspective. And, I think we'll all agree, the media does not do a good job of presenting all the facts and opinions in a way where we can put them it into the appropriate context.

They recently did another very good investigation debunking the 9/11 myths that are circulating on the internet.

With all of this said, wasn't the thread originally about Iran's refusal to stop it's development of a nuclear weapon in bold defiance of the world?
 
MonsterMark said:
and 55% say the government unprepared to handle such an attack.

Actually, Bryan diverted the thread. I merely responded to it.
 
Are you guys really suprised? Not only did you give them the reactor, you gave them enriched uranium too. That's why you know they have an enrichment program...BECAUSE YOU STARTED IT FOR THEM!! That wasn't helped by the fact that Cheney's Haliburton supplied Iran with centrifuges and detonators..items that are must haves for uranium enrichment.

Same thing in Iraq...you knew Saddam had WMDs, because you guys are the numb nuts that gave it to him......
 
RRocket said:
Are you guys really suprised? Not only did you give them the reactor, you gave them enriched uranium too. That's why you know they have an enrichment program...BECAUSE YOU STARTED IT FOR THEM!! That wasn't helped by the fact that Cheney's Haliburton supplied Iran with centrifuges and detonators..items that are must haves for uranium enrichment.

This is the big news now. Apparently, about 40+ years ago, the U.S. gave the Shah some nuclear equipment. Now, because of that, the European left will attempt to argue that we should be concerned that the hostile regime with aggressive intentions now has developed upon that technology.

And first of all, Cheney has nothing to do with how Haliburton is currently run. Second, there is no link between Haliburton and nuclear technology. I've read the stories on the screw-ball liberal websites like "Commondream." Haliburton did have a business arangement with the Iranian oil and natural gas production, but why wouldn't they?

Same thing in Iraq...you knew Saddam had WMDs, because you guys are the numb nuts that gave it to him......
First- the U.S. did not provide Iraq chemical weapons. We provided them military intelligence during the Iran/Iraq war. The Iraqis were supplied NOT by the US by by the Soviets during that period.

Second, even if that weren't the case- SO? Foreign policy is a messy business, and when picking allies you sometimes have to take the better of two evils. And it was better to have a Hussein balancing the power of Iran, than to have Irandefeating Iraq, control and threatening the entire region and all of those oil reserves.

The argument that during the cold war we supported "X" thus we should tolerate their aggressive behavior now is idiotic.
 
why do a few of you continuosly argue and resort to name calling. why dont you all just state your opinions and prove them. you old guys j/k offer some good information about 1 in 10 post. i often use this site for information with the links some of you provide and i sometimes find it very helpful. how about a little more info and a little less wasted space. that is if you arent just using it to kill time and for entertainment purposes. if thats what it is then i understand.
 
Iran has nuclear capable subs.

so, what do you guys think about iran having subs, that is some scary sh1t. i would love to see israel and iran go at it. maybe they would end the middle east. also since yall are talking about where everyone gets there weapons from, where did iran score some submarines(2)
 

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