Israel Deliberately Attacks UN Post

How do you know it was deliberate? Were you there? Did you see someone pull the trigger?

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
 
So Israel is teaching the rest of the world how to deal with terrorists. According to Hezbollah, they expected the usual. We'll grab some prisoners and make a swap, just like we have done before. Wrong.

Everytime a terrorist group acts, the repercussions have to be 10 times greater.

I would even go this far.

I would let every suicide bomber know in very clear terms. You blow yourself up and not only are you obviously dead, but so will everybody in your family. We will hunt down every member, father , mother, sister, brother and either imprison them or outright kill them to bring justice for your act.


Hezbollah's real motive revealed...


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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/25/D8J39P502.html

senior Hezbollah official said Tuesday the guerrillas did not expect Israel to react so strongly to its capture of two Israeli soldiers.

Mahmoud Komati, deputy chief of the Hezbollah's political arm, also told The Associated Press that his group will not lay down arms.

His comments were the first time that a leader from the Shiite militant group has publicly suggested it miscalculated the consequences of the July 12 cross-border raid in which two Israeli soldiers were captured and three were killed.

"The truth is _ let me say this clearly _ we didn't even expect (this) response ... that (Israel) would exploit this operation for this big war against us," said Komati.

He said Hezbollah had expected "the usual, limited response" from Israel.

In the past, he said, Israeli responses to Hezbollah actions included sending commandos into Lebanon, seizing Hezbollah officials and briefly targeting specific Hezbollah strongholds in southern Lebanon.

Komati said his group had anticipated negotiations to swap the Israeli soldiers for three Lebanese held in Israeli jails, with Germany acting as a mediator as it has in past prisoner exchanges.

He said Hezbollah captured the Israeli soldiers from a military area, but charged that Israelis had taken Hezbollah leaders from their homes at night.

"The response is unjustified," Komati said. He added that the Israeli offensive was planned in advance, and Israel was only "waiting for the right time" to carry it out.

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Bryan,

It was deliberate since the UN had provided Israel with the exact locations of all the UN sites in Lebanon.
 
MonsterMark said:
How do you know it was deliberate? Were you there? Did you see someone pull the trigger?

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.


Is it an eye for an eye? Does that mean Hezbollah should slaughter 300+ civilians to make it even? Does that mean that Hezbollah should arrest 60+ DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED members of Israel parliament like Israel did? Just wondering....
 
i still think that israel is going to stop as soon as they push the border back 50 or so miles. also i think these two are beyond that point of fairness. both are equally tired of each other. civilians are dying on both sides of the line, just looks like israel has more fire power. remember the "war" with iraq has lasted so long and the us has endured so many military casualties because of our regard for "innocent" civilians.
 
I still don't know if it was intentional. But, that said, if that is what it takes to get the UN off it's butt and into the game, so be it.

I think it is funny how NO other country is standing up for Israel. France is giving weapons to Syria. Russia is on the sidelines. Nobody is standing up. So let Israel take care of business. It is apparent nobody else has the balls.
 
Good, Screw the UN, screw the Arabs.

I hope Israel Kills everyone of them.
 
Perhaps that was a bit harsh of me. Now that I have had my morning coffee...


Screw the UN, Screw the Hezbolah.

I hope Israel kills everyone of them... and Hamas too.
 
RRocket said:
Who are the terrorists again??

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/To...25&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/25/D8J39A4O0.html


Apparently, they even were shelled during the rescue attempt....Who are the terrorist again?


Score:

Lebanon: 320+ civilians

Israel: 17 civilians

Oh gee, BIG surprise there, Kofi Annan twisting things to make it appear Israel is the bad guy. Kofi says "um, it APPEARS they deliberately targeted the observation"... As if Israel would do that on purpose.

Did moron (er... Kofi) forget that Muslim Fundamentalists are known for killing innocent people and pegging it on someone else? Who Killed Mohammed al-Dura?

Another source for who killed Mohammed al-Dura

In my opinion, Kofi Annan and the rest of the UN should be perceived as an enemy organization. They have done this sort of crap one too many times.
 
RRocket said:
Is it an eye for an eye? Does that mean Hezbollah should slaughter 300+ civilians to make it even? Does that mean that Hezbollah should arrest 60+ DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED members of Israel parliament like Israel did? Just wondering....

Do you want to know the list of innocent Israelis who have been slaughtered ON PURPOSE (not collateral damage) by Muslim Fundamentalists? I bet it's larger than the number of innocent civilians Israel has intentionally killed.

Trust me, if Israel didn't care how many civilians died, there'd be no more Lebanon right now, it'd be Israel in the south, and a bunch of toppled stones to their north, with maybe some animals walking around.

I mean, if a bunch of Canadian terrorists were continually lobbing rockets over the Detroit River from Windsor, and the Canadian government kinda half-heartedly said "oh don't do that" to the terrorists, and did nothing else, what do you think the United States would do? Would we send in an international delegation? Would we send in peacekeepers to the region? Would we send in diplomatic represenatatives to meet with the leaders of Canada and the terrorist leaders? No, we'd launch the B52's and start carpet bombing the whole friggin' place until they stopped.
 
RRocket said:
Is it an eye for an eye? Does that mean Hezbollah should slaughter 300+ civilians to make it even? Does that mean that Hezbollah should arrest 60+ DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED members of Israel parliament like Israel did? Just wondering....

Barwick beat me to it but you seem to forget all of the suicide bombers that have already left their presence in Israel. Are those not innocent civilians that are killed on a daily basis?

What would it be like to go thru life not knowing if the guy sitting next to you has a bomb strapped to his belt and is looking forward to being with his virgins? How would that effect your everyday life. Unfortunately, we may all get a chance to experience that feeling in our lifetimes unless this disease called Islamic radicalism is erradicated.
 
RRocket said:
Who are the terrorists again??

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/To...25&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/25/D8J39A4O0.html


Apparently, they even were shelled during the rescue attempt....Who are the terrorist again?


Score:

Lebanon: 320+ civilians

Israel: 17 civilians


What the hell are "peacekeepers" doing in a war zone anyway???

Score:

Lebanon: 17 deliberately targeted Israeli civilians
Israel: 320+ ambiguously disguised Hezbollah terrorists and/or their civilian human shields

WWII

Score:

USA: 1,590,000 Japanese civilians and soldiers
Japan: 92,000 American soldiers/civilians

Isn't the purpose of war to score higher and take territory?

RRocket, are you a pacifist?
 
Something's fishy here. You have peacekeepers in the middle of a war zone, as Kofi Annan stated, his "eyes and ears on the ground." For what? To see what? To report what?

Then you have these guys sitting in this building, and Hezbollah moves rocket placements right by the building. Why? Why didn't the peacekeepers leave? I would have hightailed it out of there. Why did they stay in the building? Are they secretly allied with the Hezbos?

Awfully suspicious if you ask me. Sounds like a setup at best, treachery at worst.
 
RRocket said:
Who are the terrorists again??

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/To...25&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/25/D8J39A4O0.html


Apparently, they even were shelled during the rescue attempt....Who are the terrorist again?


Score:

Lebanon: 320+ civilians

Israel: 17 civilians

Hezbollah fired over 200 rockets into Israel yesterday aimed into civilian zones. Just because they have sorrier than sh!t aim doesn't exonerate them of their evil intentions.

To answer your question, Hezbollah is the terrorist. Any Lebanese civilian casualties are directly the fault of Hezbollah.

This is the 2nd or third post you've made accusing Israel of terrorism. Hypothetical question for you: If Canada was attacked by a group of terrorist operating out of N. Dakota using schools, malls & apartment complexes as bases and the United States government did nothing to stop them, what would you do as the leader of Canada? Mind you, these attacks are happening on a daily basis and the terrorist hide among the civillians in appearence and dress.

(I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't understand where your point of view comes from)
 
Report: U.N. observers' calls unheeded
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060726/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_un_observers
By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago

JERUSALEM - U.N. observers in Lebanon telephoned the Israeli military 10 times in six hours to ask it to stop shelling near their position before an attack killed four observers and sparked international anger with
Israel, U.N. officials said Wednesday.
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The U.N. observation post near Khiam came under close Israeli fire 21 times Tuesday — including 12 hits within 100 yards and five direct hits from 1:20 p.m. until the peacekeepers' post was destroyed at 7:30 p.m., Jane Lute, assistant secretary-general for peacekeeping, told the
U.N. Security Council in New York.

U.N. officials said Hezbollah militants had been operating in the area of the post near the eastern end of the border with Israel, a routine tactic to prevent Israel from attacking them.

"We did repeatedly in recent days say (to Israel) that this was an exposed position, that Hezbollah militants were 500 meters (yards) away shielding themselves near U.N. workers and civilians," U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland said. "That's why it is so inexplicable that what happened happened."

Israeli officials had told the
United Nations that the bombing around the base was part of an "an aerial preparation for a ground operation," said the senior official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Officials in the outpost called the Israeli army 10 times during those six hours, and each time an army official promised to have the bombing stopped, according to a preliminary U.N. report on the incident, which was shown to an Associated Press reporter on Wednesday.

Once it became clear those pleas were being ignored, the force's commander sought the involvement of top officials in New York, a senior U.N. official in New York said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation of the incident was not yet complete.

U.N. Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown and Lute herself then made several calls to Israel's U.N. mission "reiterating these protests and calling for an abatement of the shelling," Lute said.

The bombing put Israel on the defensive two weeks into its campaign against Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "deep regret" for the deaths and dismay over U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan's accusation that the attack was "apparently deliberate."

Olmert told Annan in a phone call Wednesday that the attack was inadvertent and he promised a "thorough investigation," his office said in a statement.

"It's inconceivable for the U.N. to define an error as an apparently deliberate action," Olmert said.

China called for an Israeli apology and asked the U.N. Security Council to condemn the bombing — which killed one of its citizens — and demand Israel stop attacking U.N. positions and personnel.

"For China and for others, we condemn this because I think any attack on the United Nations positions and the United Nations personnel is inexcusable and unacceptable," China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya said.

Austria and Finland, both of which also lost citizens in the attack, condemned the bombing, with Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja calling it "truly tragic." The fourth victim was Canadian.

"These so-called precision attacks seem to be mainly targeting everyone else except the Hezbollah," Tuomioja said. "The longer this continues, the more likely it is that there will be more similar victims."

White House spokesman Tony Snow described the strike as a "horrible thing," but said Israel was behaving responsibly in its aftermath.

"They'll be completely transparent in the way they conduct the investigation," Snow said. "And I think that's the appropriate way to proceed."

U.N. officials said the observation position was well marked. A picture the world body released Wednesday showed the three-story building was painted white with the letters "U.N." emblazoned in large black letters on all sides, and a light blue U.N. flag hung from a nearby flagpole that was roughly 50 feet high. Witnesses said the building, which was surrounded by concrete blast walls and barbed wire, also had the letters U.N. painted on the roof and it was illuminated by floodlights at night.

During the shelling, the observers took refuge in a bomb shelter designed to withstand a strike by a 155mm artillery shell, U.N. officials said. The bunker collapsed in the attack, and the extent of the damage suggests it was hit with a large bomb, said Brig. Gen. J.P. Nehra, the deputy force commander for the U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.

"We can only say the destruction of the bunker was quite devastating, of the kind that aerial bombs can achieve. The ones of the very heavy variety," he said.

After the blast, Israel agreed to give UNIFIL safe passage for two armored personnel carriers to evacuate the position, Lute said. They arrived at 9:30 p.m. "and found the shelter collapsed and major damage to the rest of the position," she said.

Despite negotiating safe passage, those APCs also came under Israeli attack, she said, adding that the attacks continued Wednesday when an artillery round hit about 10 yards from UNIFIL headquarters in the town of Naqoura.

Since fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militants began two weeks ago, there have been several dozen incidents of firing close to U.N. peacekeepers and observers, including direct hits on nine positions, some of them repeatedly, a U.N. official said. As a result of these attacks, 12 U.N. personnel have been killed or injured, U.N. officials said.

During an Israeli offensive against Lebanon in 1996, artillery blasted a U.N. base at Qana in southern Lebanon, killing more than 100 civilians taking refuge with the peacekeepers.

The U.N. mission, which has nearly 2,000 military personnel and more than 300 civilians, is to patrol the border line, known as the Blue Line, drawn by the United Nations after Israel withdrew troops from south Lebanon in 2000 and ended an 18-year occupation.

On Wednesday, dovish lawmaker Ran Cohen, a colonel in the Israeli army reserves, said that from his experience in Lebanon, it was quite possible to make such a mistake.

"I have not even the slightest doubt that we're talking here about a mistake, technical or otherwise. The army, as long as I've known it and I'm fairly critical, never wants to hit UNIFIL forces," Cohen said.
 
STOP THE WAR. We have subversive "observers" in the area!!!! STOP THE WAR.
 
97silverlsc said:
China called for an Israeli apology and asked the U.N. Security Council to condemn the bombing — which killed one of its citizens — and demand Israel stop attacking U.N. positions and personnel.

"For China and for others, we condemn this because I think any attack on the United Nations positions and the United Nations personnel is inexcusable and unacceptable," China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya said.

LOL since when did China give a rat's a$$ about it's citizens?

Notice that they've NEVER ONCE said that any attack on Israel is inexcusable or unacceptable?

Neither have you, Phil.

Anti-Semitic much? :mad:
 
97silverlsc said:
U.N. observers in Lebanon telephoned the Israeli military 10 times in six hours to ask it to stop shelling near their position

Gee, at what point might one have gotten a clue to get the hell out.
 
97silverlsc said:
Only if you're Jewish!!!:) :) :)

Actually, I am a Jewish descendant, so bite me, racist.

Oh, by the way, RRocket and Phil, here's the real TRUTH that's going on:

July 25, 2006, 7:11 a.m.

U.N.’s Human Shields
Already part of the problem.

By Michael I. Krauss & J. Peter Pham

As part of international efforts to end the conflict in southern Lebanon, there has emerged the scheme of a United Nations peacekeeping force to separate the opposing forces. NPR reports that U.N. Secretary General Annan is, predictably, pushing for a robust international force there. But even the White House seems to be considering the idea. “Somehow you’re going to have to provide stability in southern Lebanon,” White House spokesman Tony Snow said last week. “Whether it’s an international stabilization force, whether it is the Lebanese armed forces, all those things are under discussion.”

What many seem to forget is that there already is a U.N. military presence in Lebanon — and one armed, at least on paper, with a robust mandate. Alas, the blue-helmeted “peacekeepers” are part of the problem, not the solution.

Established in 1978 pursuant to Security Council resolutions 425 and 426, and renewed in January 2006 by resolution 1655, the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) has the mission of “confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces, restoring international peace and security and assisting the Government of Lebanon in ensuring its effective authority in the area.” The UNIFIL operation has an annual operating budget of $99.3 million, approximately one quarter of which (as with all U.N. operations) is paid by the American taxpayer. The force comprises 2,000 troops from China, France, Ghana, India, Ireland, Italy, Poland, and Ukraine, along with 400 international and local civilians, and is commanded by French major-general Alain Pellegrini, who has a pro-Lebanon record in the Middle East.

There’s something very familiar about Kofi Annan’s 2006 call for U.N. troops — just take a look at the 1978 documents pertaining to UNIFIL for the reason why. As the U.N.’s own website concedes, an invasion on northern Israel on March 11, 1978, by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) caused “many dead and wounded among the Israeli population.” When Israel responded in self-defense by targeting the then de facto PLO state in southern Lebanon, the Lebanese government denied responsibility for the Palestinian terror and appealed to the U.N. The Security Council — where the Carter administration was represented by neophyte diplomat Andrew Young — agreed to a resolution demanding Israeli withdrawal and creating UNIFIL with its three objectives. Twenty-nine years later, the only goal that UNIFIL has achieved is the first, the verification of Israel’s complete withdrawal from Lebanon.

When Israeli forces completed their pullout from Lebanon in early 2000, Foreign Minister David Levy reminded Annan that it was now up to Lebanon, in collaboration with UNIFIL, to live up to their obligations to deploy the Lebanese army in the south and to secure its border. That the present conflict is occurring is proof positive of the failure of the Lebanese government and of UNIFIL to even attempt to fulfill these obligations. The arsenal and forces that Hezbollah has amassed on Israel’s northern frontier were assembled under the eyes of UNIFIL. In fact, accusing the U.N. troops of “failure” would be inaccurate; “enabler” might be a more apt description.

One incident we encountered during our visit to Israel last year illustrates this sad fact. In January 2005, Hezbollah planted five camouflaged “improvised explosive devices” (IEDs), inches on the Israeli side of the border near Zarit, 15 mountainous miles inland from the Mediterranean coast. The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) detected these IEDs and, following procedure, notified UNIFIL. A French UNIFIL engineer duly certified that the devices were indeed IEDs, then “requested” that Hezbollah remove them. Hezbollah, not denying it had planted them, flatly refused, stating that since the mines were (just barely) inside the “Zionist” border, it was up to the “Zionists” to remove them. So the IDF sent in a large armored bulldozer to carry the mines off for disposal. This task required making a sharp 90-degree right turn from an Israeli road onto the narrow border trail where the IEDs were located. Making this sharp right turn, the left front corner of the bulldozer inevitably occupied, for a couple of seconds, about a meter of land on the Lebanese side. During those seconds a Hezbollah fighter directed an anti-tank missile at the narrow, unguarded windshield of the bulldozer. The pinpoint strike, which our Israeli sources have admitted required extraordinary training and skill, killed the bulldozer’s driver, Sgt. Maj. Jan Rotzanski, a 21-year-old Russian immigrant from Herzliya. The cynical cruelty of this murder, which Hezbollah proceeded to widely celebrate across Lebanon, speaks volumes not only about Hezbollah, but also about UNIFIL.

Nor has the situation changed much now that the conflict is “hot.” UNIFIL’s only apparent action this past week has been to voice concerns that its troops might get hit in the crossfire. This is indeed a risk — because UNIFIL has long permitted Hezbollah to locate its forces, including its missile batteries, in the very shadow of installations belonging to the “peacekeepers.” UNIFIL has thus turned into a very convenient and high-profile human shield for terrorists.

The U.N. force commander in Rwanda, Canadian Lieutenant-General Roméo Dallaire, remains haunted by the refusal of U.N. bureaucrats to let him intervene to prevent the 1994 genocide by seizing the arms that Hutu killers were stockpiling. Gen. Dallaire’s boss in the Department of Peacekeeping Operations at the time was one Kofi A. Annan of Ghana, who argued that any such action would exceed the peacekeepers’ mandate. There is no evidence that the Dallaire’s UNIFIL counterparts have even attempted to fulfill their duty in South Lebanon. If we are friends of peace, we must prevent the U.N. from foiling it again.
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=N2UxZjI3MTRhNGM5YTc1MDkyM2NkZmVhZjdiYzUzODU=

A Canadian soldier's report from South Lebanon

Updated Wed. Jul. 26 2006 5:19 PM ET

After the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah, and the subsequent bombing campaign began against Lebanon, CTV.ca received an email from Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, a Canadian Forces soldier serving with the UN in South Lebanon.

"If you are interested in a Canadian perspective on the events of yesterday and what is happening here in the area I am serving in, I can provide some concise info for you about the current situation," he wrote.

...

(4) Team Sierra is currently observing both IDF/IAF and Hezbollah military clashes from our vantage point which has a commanding view of the IDF positions on the Golan mountains to our east and the IDF positions along the Blue Line to our south, as well as, most of the Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base. It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area. On the night of 16 July, at 2125 hrs, a large firefight broke out between the Hezbollah and the IDF near a village called Majidyye and lasted for one hour and 40 minutes.

(5) Based on the intensity and volatility of this current situation and the unpredictability of both sides (Hezbollah and Israel), and given the operational tempo of the Hezbollah and the IDF, we are not safe to venture out to conduct our normal patrol activities. We have now switched to Observation Post Duties and are observing any and all violations as they occur.

This is all the information of a non-tactical nature that I can provide you. I cannot give you any info on Hezbollah position, proximity or the amount of or types of sorties the IAF is currently flying. Suffice to say that the activity levels and operational tempo of both parties is currently very high and continuous, with short breaks or pauses. Please understand the nature of my job here is to be impartial and to report violations from both sides without bias. As an Unarmed Military Observer, this is my raison d'etre.

What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.

I thank you for the opportunity to provide you with some information from the front lines here in south Lebanon.

Maj Hess-von Kruedener

In other words, the Hezbos are using the UN as human shields, a clear violation of the rules of war.

Any more questions, racists?
 
MonsterMark said:
97silverlsc said:
U.N. observers in Lebanon telephoned the Israeli military 10 times in six hours to ask it to stop shelling near their position

Gee, at what point might one have gotten a clue to get the hell out.

Exactly!!! Get your stupid arse out you morons. Do they not remember history?

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Substitute "Palestinian" for "Muslim Fundamentalist"
 
Fosten points out something that needs repeating...

what were they doing there, what were they doing?
Are those UN workers providing intelligence information to Lebanon....and I say Lebanon because the line between Hezbollah and the Lebonese population has been made too stark by the media. The Isreali are taking fire from all directions. EVERYONE is a combatant in those cities, man, women, and children are taking shots while dressed as civilians.

It's only a matter of days before we start hearing the trumped up stories of 'massacres."
 

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