whatsupadrian
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Well heres another CAI project using a K&N Cone filter.
K&n Cai
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whatsupadrian
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Well to start off the project i built a cardboard template similar to LoveLSE's The K&N filter is bigger then the KKM so i modified the template for the K&N filter. Once i had my template just right i got a roll of masking tape and taped the inside of the cardboard template to cover it completely and have a nice and smooth layer of tape. I then mixed about 12oz of resign and hardener and coated the tape with a thick layer of resign. I thien applied 3 inch squares of fiber mat and brushed over it with the rest of the resign.
After it dried the fiberglass shell seperates easily from the cardboard because of the tape. I test fitted it in the car and it fits nicely. The stock airbox is a bit too big for the bottom grill so i will be fabricating a box that fits perfectly in the lower grill with cardboard/fiberglass also. I will use some ducting and connect the two just like everyone else is doing.
Im gonna thicken the heatsheid a little with some more fibermat and resign then i will paint it. On the outside of fiberglass shell i will apply second skin audio Damplifier. It has a heat sheild and a 450º tolerance.
After it dried the fiberglass shell seperates easily from the cardboard because of the tape. I test fitted it in the car and it fits nicely. The stock airbox is a bit too big for the bottom grill so i will be fabricating a box that fits perfectly in the lower grill with cardboard/fiberglass also. I will use some ducting and connect the two just like everyone else is doing.
Im gonna thicken the heatsheid a little with some more fibermat and resign then i will paint it. On the outside of fiberglass shell i will apply second skin audio Damplifier. It has a heat sheild and a 450º tolerance.
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GrayGhost1
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That's pretty slick looking! I'm definitely interested to see the final outcome!
01lssport
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Looks good. I did the samething a while back. Hope it works out for you.
infamous amos
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Which filter is that? The custom ducting is awesome.. I have a friend who is famous for scavenging junk yards for intake parts and then throwing them in something totally different. He says he is going to start looking for something to work with my LS.
whatsupadrian
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infamous amos said:
Its a K&N UNIVERSAL CONE FILTER RE-0920 (i think)
whatsupadrian
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I got a little bit more time to work on the box, still havent painted it or added the heat sheild portion but i molded a place to attach a hose. and i did a test fit install and it seems like it works fine. I drove around hard for about 1 hour and opened the hood and the inside of the box was cold to the touch, and the rest of the engine was hot. I noticed my car was much more responsive.
SilverLS
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Pick up any water yet???? I am going to buy the aem bypass valve and hook it up and make something that goes down under the hood also.....
Cruznlife1
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that wont suck up any water because the filter is not sucking through that pipe. and even hauling ass in the worst rain, the water (for the most part) wont travel in and up that pipe all the way. All it's doing at speed is blowing cool air at the filter.... Now if the airbox was sealed completely and there was a suction on that pipe, than yeah you can pick up water. Otherwise you'll never have a problem with water like that
I'd hate to burst the bubble on this but that dryer hose isnt doing nearly what you think it is. Its fun to have a hobby and tinker with your car, and i am one of those people, but that setup is only adding a very very minor difference over the stock setup. I like the fabbed fiberglass though.
whatsupadrian
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Anyone with a KKM notice a power increase from the stock airbox???
I did.
Anyone with a KKM notice that the car has less throttle response after the car is hot?
I did.
Anyone with a CAI notice the power increase from the KKM and maintained throttle response?
I did.
Fla02LS, I have no idea how much added HP it gave me, all i can tell ya is that i can feel the difference. I like to smash with my right foot all the time, so much infact that i can tell when im low on gas because it pulls harder. I think it was worth the little time and money for the added power. Today i took the CAI out to add another coat of glass to it, i put in my stock airbox and filter because i had to leave it to dry. The car with the stock intake felt slugish to me.
JaredLS, I dont think much debris is going to get in through that hole but a wire mesh wont hurt ill probably rig something up when i get the time.
SilverLS, I was worried about water too so i got the water hose and shot dryer hose full blast from 1 ft away and water didn't flow all the way up. A few drops splashed up from all that pressure through. My question to you is, how much water has to be sucked up the intake for it to be dangerous to the engine? I assume there would be much more water in the oxygen and in humid air then a few drops if it rains really hard.
I did.
Anyone with a KKM notice that the car has less throttle response after the car is hot?
I did.
Anyone with a CAI notice the power increase from the KKM and maintained throttle response?
I did.
Fla02LS, I have no idea how much added HP it gave me, all i can tell ya is that i can feel the difference. I like to smash with my right foot all the time, so much infact that i can tell when im low on gas because it pulls harder. I think it was worth the little time and money for the added power. Today i took the CAI out to add another coat of glass to it, i put in my stock airbox and filter because i had to leave it to dry. The car with the stock intake felt slugish to me.
JaredLS, I dont think much debris is going to get in through that hole but a wire mesh wont hurt ill probably rig something up when i get the time.
SilverLS, I was worried about water too so i got the water hose and shot dryer hose full blast from 1 ft away and water didn't flow all the way up. A few drops splashed up from all that pressure through. My question to you is, how much water has to be sucked up the intake for it to be dangerous to the engine? I assume there would be much more water in the oxygen and in humid air then a few drops if it rains really hard.
lexdiamondz10304
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Nice. I like the fiberglass idea.
If you can notice <10hp? difference by driving then you got something going on. People who take placebo suger pills also claim results. I feel that my '02 Intrepid is faster than my LS, that doesnt mean its true. Its all a matter of opinion. I was simply stating that a setup using dryer tubing isnt all that effective. Look at 'ram air' setups that are factory engineered..ie Trans Am, Grand Prix, Camaro SS, Mustang. Located on top and very very short path. The twisty dryer tubing isnt going to flow all that great and its 'cooling' effect is negliable. But if you feel that you got something for cheap, then thats cool. I applaud the ingenuity.
Fla02LS said:
I think someone actually mounted a temperature sensor to the inside of the intake box and it was a lot cooler, so in fact it would matter. If he says he can feel 10 horsepower or less, than he can, nothing to be posting about.
itsnotmydaddys
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whatsupadrian
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i have two digital thermometer with two sensors(outdoor, indoor).The outdoor sensors are on a long wire. I will get them and place one sensor in the inside of the fabed heatsheild and the other sensor outside of the heatsheild.. I will record the results and give you guys feedback.
whatsupadrian
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Ok and the results are in. I put the sensors in, took the car to the street smashed on the gas to warm it up, then drove regularly, stop and go for 15 minutes... Try and guess what thermometer is in the heatsheild and which is outside of the heatsheild.
newnanls
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fla there are your "bunk" results 40+ degree's cooler, i dont know about you but the dryer tubing seems to be working quite nice. nice mod adrian
whatsupadrian
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Thanks 
Now is the temperature difference enough to actually feel a difference? Or is it just a psychological placebo?
Im gonna do the same test when i take my intake apart again except im going to throw the stock airbox in there. Im sure it will be cooler then my useless dryer hose, but i think that temperature and airflow are both big factors.
From what i know a CAI is similar to NOS which indeed increases power. It freezes the air making it dense which means better compression/cumbustion right? So the CAI is like that except not as extreme.
Iv decided that this project is a prototype. I am happy with these results so i am going to fabricate another box using fleace rather then mat. It should come out a whole lot smoother and nicer now that i know how this fiberglass stuff works. The box i have right now will be the mold for the next box.
Someone who is experienced with fiberglass, if i were to cover the outside of the mold i have with foil then glass over fleace with resign it shouldn't stick to the mold right?
Now is the temperature difference enough to actually feel a difference? Or is it just a psychological placebo?
Im gonna do the same test when i take my intake apart again except im going to throw the stock airbox in there. Im sure it will be cooler then my useless dryer hose, but i think that temperature and airflow are both big factors.
From what i know a CAI is similar to NOS which indeed increases power. It freezes the air making it dense which means better compression/cumbustion right? So the CAI is like that except not as extreme.
Iv decided that this project is a prototype. I am happy with these results so i am going to fabricate another box using fleace rather then mat. It should come out a whole lot smoother and nicer now that i know how this fiberglass stuff works. The box i have right now will be the mold for the next box.
Someone who is experienced with fiberglass, if i were to cover the outside of the mold i have with foil then glass over fleace with resign it shouldn't stick to the mold right?
whatsupadrian said:Thanks
Now is the temperature difference enough to actually feel a difference? Or is it just a psychological placebo?
Im gonna do the same test when i take my intake apart again except im going to throw the stock airbox in there. Im sure it will be cooler then my useless dryer hose, but i think that temperature and airflow are both big factors.
From what i know a CAI is similar to NOS which indeed increases power. It freezes the air making it dense which means better compression/cumbustion right? So the CAI is like that except not as extreme.
Iv decided that this project is a prototype. I am happy with these results so i am going to fabricate another box using fleace rather then mat. It should come out a whole lot smoother and nicer now that i know how this fiberglass stuff works. The box i have right now will be the mold for the next box.
Someone who is experienced with fiberglass, if i were to cover the outside of the mold i have with foil then glass over fleace with resign it shouldn't stick to the mold right?
I'll speak before you know who does. I know you put that thermometer up to a light bulb and made it hotter than the other one. :slam Just kidding. Good to see your project worked out, just give it some high heat black paint or something to make it look nice and you got a nice addition. Bunk is not an adjective. CAI and Nitrous are not really the same, it's just that cold air burns better, and N02 is more combustable than regular air. Eh, I guess you could say that then. Obviously N02 is a lot more powerful.
Well...your pictures and test still dont mean anything. There are two points where the temperature of the air matters, and your test isnt either of them. The first is the air as it passes the IAT sensor, this tells the cars computer how to make adjustments for timing, detonation etc. The second is the temp. of the air as it passes the valves and directly enters the cylinder. Try this for a test, stick your thermometer next to the ambient temp. sensor on the front bumper, drive around and see if your thermometer reads the same as your a/c's external temp. reading. Your method is not accurate to measure the ambient temp. of the air. With your method the a/c's external temp. reading would drop every time you accelerated...which it doesnt. If you had a way to stick a sensor right in front of the throttle body then you'd have a better, more accurate way to see if the incoming air is indeed cooler with one setup versus another. As far as i know the xcal device can monitor the IAT sensors reading and that would be the most accurate way to see if the setup is doing what is claimed. But regardless of any of this your car has sophisticated ways with all the sensors to make adjustments. And if you guys are comparing nitrous to a cai then you really dont have a clue to what you are talking about.
lexdiamondz10304
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was that with the heatshield lid on of off?
whatsupadrian
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lexdiamondz10304 said:
The hood actually touches the sides and acts as a lid.