Kathleen Sebelius thinks we're all stupid and need re-education

Yes, they was.:D

Just pointing out why it is so silly to be concerned with words. Your meaning is much closer to what Nazis and Communists had been using in their own campaigning, so I guess, by the reasoning you were using earlier you must be a Communist or a Nazi. So which is more important, semantics or vocabulary? Or maybe we can drop such a silly complaint?:rolleyes:
"Shut up," he explained.
 
Accuracy of language is the indispensable prerequisite of sound knowledge.
-William Godwin
How can you have an intelligent, productive conversation between two opposing views with profoundly different understandings of important concepts (and the logical implications derived from them) when you eschew a concern for words as "silly"?

It is far better to be concerned with the meaning behind the words than just to start spouting off that someone is a communist or something like that just because of their choice of words.
 
It is far better to be concerned with the meaning behind the words than just to start spouting off that someone is a communist or something like that just because of their choice of words.
Fair enough - so either Sebelius is Orwellian in her thinking or she thinks the American people are stupid and uninformed on the issue - or both. At the very least, she thinks Americans are stupid and uninformed. Given your comments in this thread, you also think Americans are stupid and uninformed on the issue. Thus, my premise holds up.
 
Fair enough - so either Sebelius is Orwellian in her thinking or she thinks the American people are stupid and uninformed on the issue - or both. At the very least, she thinks Americans are stupid and uninformed. Given your comments in this thread, you also think Americans are stupid and uninformed on the issue. Thus, my premise holds up.

But, the point still stands that most people are uninformed on the issue. She never said anything about stupid, you added that.

Find 50 random people on the street and ask them what is in the new health care bill. You will get 50 different answers, and you will be lucky to find even a couple that are right. I am not trying to put anyone down or say the general public is dumb, what I am saying is that there is so much disinformation out there, that it is hard to find out anything.
 
But, the point still stands that most people are uninformed on the issue.

Where are you getting that?

All that has been shown is that you and Sebelius think that most people are uninformed on this issue. That is a far cry from most people truly being uninformed on this issue.

Just because you declare a point to be true doesn't make it so. You have to provide some evidence to logically support that claim. The evidence cited for that claim is...dubious at best. The number of counterpoints raised to that "evidence" serve as proof of that. To assert that the point "still stands" is to ignore those counter points and to ignore the fact that the point you are referring to is contested at best. Ignoring those points is hardly the act of someone looking to discuss things in good faith.
 
shagdrum said:
Where are you getting that?

All that has been shown is that you and Sebelius think that most people are uninformed on this issue. That is a far cry from most people truly being uninformed on this issue.
your own right wing brother stated it himself.

Calabrio said:
The only people who are "well informed" when it comes to the omnibus bills the last Congress has passed and still support it are the organizations that actually wrote it
 
I am not trying to put anyone down or say the general public is dumb, what I am saying is that there is so much disinformation out there, that it is hard to find out anything.
No, but Sebelius does think we're dumb. And the disinformation is directly due to the concerted effort by the Democrats to ensure that the public knew as little about the bill as possible until after it passed.
YouTube- Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it
 

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