King Shrub strikes again

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Typical of Shrub. The RWW here touted how he was signing this bill as a great thing, but to Shrub, who thinks himself above the law, it is meaningless.

I hate to admit this, but for once RB3 is right, the RWWs on this board were NOT the ones offering praise of GW for signing this bill, I was.....

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=16386

However, it doesn't change the fact that the RWWs here, GW, Cheney et al. still side with the philosophy that they are justified in being the world's bully, and that they have dilusioned themselves into believing this is what is "right" while wearing their "WWJD" arm bands and patting themselves on the back for being "compasionate conservatives". They refuse to see the hypocracy in that, as well as the danger in making torture a "policy" that does nothing but freshen the coat of paint on the target that has been painted on the back of every American citizen and *might* once in a great while result in some "secret intellegence" from a prisioner that has no more credibility than any of the "flawed intellegence" that they also blame for GW's decision to lead us into Iraq.

Having a policy of making the US the world leader in human rights so that this country can once again lead by example apparently is too deep and complex of a concept for their feeble minds to comprehend. Their characterization of this bill as the "Al-Quida Bill of Rights" is a testament to their dilusional thinking.

 

[ToddG]

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Having a policy of making the US the world leader in human rights so that this country can once again lead by example apparently is too deep and complex of a concept for their feeble minds to comprehend.

Question: If the US is not now the world leader in human rights, which country is?

 

[MonsterMark]

I hate to admit this, but for once RB3 is right, the RWWs on this board were NOT the ones offering praise of GW for signing this bill, I was.....

This quote by JohnnyBzooLS now adorns my wall in poster form.

 

[fossten]

All right, joke time's over. Whoever is hijacking Johnnybz's account please stop. It's not even subtle.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Hey, as always, I'm just "keeping it real".

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Question: If the US is not now the world leader in human rights, which country is?

I didn't say the US was not currently the leader, however you've missed the point that if GW, Cheney, Bryan, David et al. had their way of making tortue a policy in direct violation of the Geneva convention, the US would not be the world leader any longer.

 

[RB3]

I didn't say the US was not currently the leader, however you've missed the point that if GW, Cheney, Bryan, David et al. had their way of making tortue a policy in direct violation of the Geneva convention, the US would not be the world leader any longer.

The Geneva convention doesn't apply to terrorists. It never has. Here is the President's statement, from 2003.

Statement by the Press Secretary on the Geneva Convention
The James S. Brady Briefing Room




1:40 P.M. EST

MR. FLEISCHER: I have an announcement to make. Today President Bush affirms our enduring commitment to the important principles of the Geneva Convention. Consistent with American values and the principles of the Geneva Convention, the United States has treated and will continue to treat all Taliban and al Qaeda detainees in Guantanamo Bay humanely and consistent with the principles of the Geneva Convention.

They will continue to receive three appropriate meals a day, excellent medical care, clothing, shelter, showers, and the opportunity worship. The International Community of the Red Cross can visit each detainee privately.

In addition, President Bush today has decided that the Geneva Convention will apply to the Taliban detainees, but not to the al Qaeda international terrorists.

Afghanistan is a party to the Geneva Convention. Although the United States does not recognize the Taliban as a legitimate Afghani government, the President determined that the Taliban members are covered under the treaty because Afghanistan is a party to the Convention.

Under Article 4 of the Geneva Convention, however, Taliban detainees are not entitled to POW status. To qualify as POWs under Article 4, al Qaeda and Taliban detainees would have to have satisfied four conditions: They would have to be part of a military hierarchy; they would have to have worn uniforms or other distinctive signs visible at a distance; they would have to have carried arms openly; and they would have to have conducted their military operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

The Taliban have not effectively distinguished themselves from the civilian population of Afghanistan. Moreover, they have not conducted their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. Instead, they have knowingly adopted and provided support to the unlawful terrorist objectives of the al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda is an international terrorist group and cannot be considered a state party to the Geneva Convention. Its members, therefore, are not covered by the Geneva Convention, and are not entitled to POW status under the treaty.

The war on terrorism is a war not envisaged when the Geneva Convention was signed in 1949. In this war, global terrorists transcend national boundaries and internationally target the innocent. The President has maintained the United States' commitment to the principles of the Geneva Convention, while recognizing that the Convention simply does not cover every situation in which people may be captured or detained by military forces, as we see in Afghanistan today.

He arrived at a just, principled and practical solution to a difficult issue. The President did so because, as Americans, the way we treat people is a reflection of America's values. The military operates under a code of conduct that upholds these values, based on the dignity of every individual.

The American people can take great pride in the way our military is treating these dangerous detainees. The Convention remains as important today as it was the day it was signed, and the United States is proud of its 50-year history in compliance with the Convention.