Lincoln electric insanity need help asap

[FDR]

A lot of cars get junked because of electrical issues when the fix requires paying someone to find them. And, the more complicated the car, the harder it is to do.

IIRC, this is how the most recently dethroned NY-to-LA driving record holder (28h 50m) got his car. He found a totaled orjunked 10 year old CL55 AMG with electrical issues. The easiest solution was to replace the modules and rewire them

 

[lincoln_zero]

What exactly did you do to it? What do you mean by "shorting out?" (Almost no one uses that term correctly.)

Aftermarket alternator? Those don't work correctly and cause problems for gen I due to the unusual control scheme that gen I uses.

Aftermarket alarm or remote start?

Seriously the hate for aftermarket on this site is real.

Remember I put a 160 amp Ebay $100 alternator on my '02 and everyone and their mothers here told me it would fail in 6 months? Went years with no issues. Sold car with no issues with it. Am I the only one here with 100% success rate on the cheapest Ebay parts for the LS? I'm not even kidding =/

 

[1LoudLS]

Am I the only one here with 100% success rate on the cheapest Ebay parts for the LS? I'm not even kidding =/

maybe not the only one, but one of a very few for sure...



its not that I hate aftermarket parts, but they generally come in one of two flavors, either performance based parts that are better than OEM or cheap budget parts that are not as good as OEM. the problem with the LS ios that there is very minimal aftermarket supports. companies just are not making quality aftermarket parts for the LS and the few companies that do make aftermarket parts tend to just make very cheap parts.


mostly the hatred for aftermarket parts on here comes from the extremely high rate of failure of those parts as experienced on here. for every one person that got something good that actually worked (at least until they sold it) there is 10 people who had their aftermarket parts either bad out of the box or failed shortly after putting them on.

 

[lincoln_zero]

companies just are not making quality aftermarket parts for the LS and the few companies that do make aftermarket parts tend to just make very cheap parts.

I can go along with that. But doesn't the LS share the same hardware and body parts as the Jaguar S type, and Thunderbird? If so, then that explains why there's a good amount of parts available, at least, from what's failed on my LS's I have had success finding Ebay knock offs.

 

[joegr]

I can go along with that. But doesn't the LS share the same hardware and body parts as the Jaguar S type, and Thunderbird? If so, then that explains why there's a good amount of parts available, at least, from what's failed on my LS's I have had success finding Ebay knock offs.

Many parts are similar, but a surprising number of them are different between these sister cars. For example, the T-bird has a slightly different climate control. The S-type has a very different climate control. The S-type has a somewhat different engine, and a very different transmission.

The 1st gen LS alternator used a control scheme (regulator) that was different from most other Fords. Apparently, many of the aftermarket alternator makes didn't notice that and put the wrong regulator in. Note that the gen II uses the more common control scheme. In fact, I have an aftermarket alternator on my 06, and so far, so good.

 

[Deaconblue]

Many parts are similar, but a surprising number of them are different between these sister cars. For example, the T-bird has a slightly different climate control. The S-type has a very different climate control. The S-type has a somewhat different engine, and a very different transmission.

The 1st gen LS alternator used a control scheme (regulator) that was different from most other Fords. Apparently, many of the aftermarket alternator makes didn't notice that and put the wrong regulator in. Note that the gen II uses the more common control scheme. In fact, I have an aftermarket alternator on my 06, and so far, so good.

The 1999-02 Jaguar S-type used the same 5R55N transmission as the Gen I LS, but in 2003 it switched to the ZF supplied 6HP26 6-spd unit. The new 6-spd automatic was first used in the 2001 BWM 7 Series (E65). Too bad Ford did not make the same transmission switch with the Gen II LS or the Thunderbird, instead of to the revised 5R55S unit. This is even more distributing since Ford has built under licence its own version of this ZF 6-spd automatic which is called the 6R60 and 6R80. In fact, the 6R60 replaced the 5R55 trany in the Explorer in 2006. If they would have only done the same in the LS, we may have had a Gen III LS to talk about.

 

[joegr]

Unfortunately, the LS was all but dead by 2003...

 

[lincoln_zero]

Unfortunately, the LS was all but dead by 2003...

That's what happens when a vehicle earns a bad reputation. Gen I LS's were sh*t boxes in the first year, and BARELY improved by 02. Gen II hardly got a styling change and people couldn't tell the difference between them.
1990 - 20010 Ford Engineers = Morons.

They finally got it right with the 2013+ Lincoln MKZ AWD 3.7 I'll be waiting for this thing to drop to about $15k and I'll snatch one up ^.^

 

[lincoln_zero]

And before anyone 'bad mouths' MKZ, 2007 - 2016 = 9 years. Already lasted 3 years more than the LS. Something done right =p
You can see Ford improving it with each Gen. The latest being the Biggest, 2013 MKZ got a face lift, bigger and more powerful motor, and AWD option. Not sure how the sales are going, I haven't researched it, but the 2013 MKZ actually looks like it can do some harm to competition.

And Consumer Reports shows it as actually reliable.... In fact it was a CR top pick in 09.
Ya, the same CR that said the LS is unreliable; I guess the "Biased conspiracy theorists" on here can chew on that.

 

[LS4me]

That's what happens when a vehicle earns a bad reputation. Gen I LS's were sh*t boxes in the first year, and BARELY improved by 02. Gen II hardly got a styling change and people couldn't tell the difference between them.
1990 - 20010 Ford Engineers = Morons.

They finally got it right with the 2013+ Lincoln MKZ AWD 3.7 I'll be waiting for this thing to drop to about $15k and I'll snatch one up ^.^

If you like FWD appliances (yes, I know but the AWD is still FWD-biased and quite nose heavy!)...

WRONG!!!!! The reason the LS didn't sell is a sordid tale of dealer's trying to sell a mini-Continental to Blue Hairs... It was also supposed to go to Europe to help recoup some of the development costs. Ford was also very, very short of cash at the time (Ford was the only manufacturer to NOT take bail-out money!!) and didn't have money to keep improving the LS. The D/EW 98 was also very expensive to manufacture.

You can't compare the Fusion, er MkZ, to the LS using any metric. I suppose you also thing the MkZ is better than a 17 year old Ferrari also, yes. After all, it's probably faster to 60. One can NEVER compare new to old and say the new is so much better..... 'Ya think?????


After how I learned CR gets their survey information I have never trusted them. Their surveys are too subjective with very little objectivity. Our only CR recommended purchase was a TV that turned out to be junk!!

 

[FDR]

You can see Ford improving it with each Gen. The latest being the Biggest, 2013 MKZ got a face lift, bigger and more powerful motor, and AWD option. Not sure how the sales are going, I haven't researched it, but the 2013 MKZ actually looks like it can do some harm to competition.

2013 is the new (2nd) generation. The 1st gen facelift happened in 2010. 1st gens already had AWD. The extra power didn't come so much from the 0.2L increase, but rather the turbos. I like the looks, but not much more. I'd go for the upcoming Fusion (2017 facelift introduces that turbo V6) if I was looking for a new commuter.

As for sales... well Lincoln, as a whole, is still in a hole. At least the MKZ's drivetrain can bank off of the Fusion's success.

 

[1LoudLS]

ANot sure how the sales are going, I haven't researched it, but the 2013 MKZ actually looks like it can do some harm to competition.

they are really through the roof...

...for a Lincoln





5 year average 30,400 cars per year


BMW 3 series 5 year average 109,600 cars per year


Mercedes C class 5 year average 79,800 cars per year


lexus ES 5 year average 60,800 cars per year


hell the Acura TLX is a new car and they still managed to sell more than 47,000 cars last year.

even Tesla managed to sell over 26,000 models S's last year in their limited market




I dont think any of the real competition is too worried about Lincoln sales




*us sales only