Lincoln LS (First Gen) Design flaws

[1LoudLS]

To be fair, the fan fluid reservoir does have a picture of a fan on it. I would associate that symbol with the cooling system.

it seems to make sense to me that the bottle of fluid for the fan have a picture of a fan on it... lol

if you're adding any fluid you should be familiar with the car, or if you even open the hood

which the vast majority of the people who buy lincolns from the dealership will never do.

but there's some justification.

the problem is that people are so stupid we have the need to put pictures on things instead of words...

The Taurus and Mustangs are a hell of a lot more flexible.

thats not a good thing.

 

[RigsLS]

Yes, I've used the emergency brake to regain control on slick roads before. Been using it as a method of control for decades now. The hand brake is easiest to control with, the foot brake is a bit of a challenge as you have to either hold the release handle out while steering, or slam it on then immediately release when the brake is released by pushing the pedal a second time. Works great, provided you can control the braking force as you go. It's not a matter of just slamming the emergency brake on full.

Right, so that whole ABS thing was just a big waste of time ~ cuz people should simply be able to apply the emergency brake during slick road conditions.

Does NOT make any sense to me, but then again I run around with mostly eighteen wheels planted to the ground, which during slick road condition ... I pray never lock up!

It's a parking brake and also considered an emergency brake to be used in case of brake failure. Was not designed to be used to spin the car around 360' ... a thin line of when she'll go around on ya. Each their own, good luck with that technique. Shinny side up, rubber side down, try not to kill anyone around you when you play with that thing!

 

[FDR]

it seems to make sense to me that the bottle of fluid for the fan have a picture of a fan on it... lol

which the vast majority of the people who buy lincolns from the dealership will never do.

the problem is that people are so stupid we have the need to put pictures on things instead of words...

thats not a good thing.

The pictures just make it easier to transverse language barriers. As for the flex, it's normal. It's a squishy 97 Taurus and old, heavy, unrefined 69 and 73 Mustangs. They flex. The LS, comparably, does not

 

[FDR]

are your serious, with 1st gens its about as realistic as possible as in just get a LSD of your choice and install it (or pay to have it installed) ...
but, swapping diffs is really only needed for doing gears, you can use a 8.8" LSD in a LS's 8.0 carrier (1st gen) just fine if you stick to LS gear ratios.

the low seats and a driveshaft tunnel have no real effect on how terrible the center console space is, its all due to the hand brake... the 2nd gen center console is a night and day difference with no shortage in storage space...

I wasn't aware of how straightforward the LSD install was. I think at some point I started reading them as "LSD+4.10s or don't even bother"

Anyway, I took some measurements. 02 LS, 97 Taurus, 10 Explorer. The LS arm rest had the lowest floor-to-arm rest height and the tallest driveshaft hump. The glovebox depth is 5 inches shorter than the other two. Technically, half the glovebox is in the arm rest, so you can say it's only 2-3 inches smaller, but it's still pretty significantly smaller because of the tall tunnel and low arm rest. It also has to fit rear knee vent ducts between the tunnel and glovebox (as did the other two). If the lid was only the top and not 2 inches deep, it would at least look more presentable.

But hey, all it means is I'm more driven to not leave junk in the car. It fits a phone charger and a pair of sunglasses.

 

[LS4me]

I wasn't aware of how straightforward the LSD install was. I think at some point I started reading them as "LSD+4.10s or don't even bother"

Anyway, I took some measurements. 02 LS, 97 Taurus, 10 Explorer. The LS arm rest had the lowest floor-to-arm rest height and the tallest driveshaft hump. The glovebox depth is 5 inches shorter than the other two. Technically, half the glovebox is in the arm rest, so you can say it's only 2-3 inches smaller, but it's still pretty significantly smaller because of the tall tunnel and low arm rest. It also has to fit rear knee vent ducts between the tunnel and glovebox (as did the other two). If the lid was only the top and not 2 inches deep, it would at least look more presentable.

But hey, all it means is I'm more driven to not leave junk in the car. It fits a phone charger and a pair of sunglasses.

You can't compare a FWD chassis with a RWD chassis. Ever look under the LS? The driveshaft and exhaust reside in the tunnel whereas in the FWD platform only a single exhaust needs fit (the LS had true dual exhaust). The LS also has little ground clearance so keeping the exhaust as high as possible is a must. The gen1 parking/emergency brake is what ate into the console.

 

[1LoudLS]

the problem is that its an 02, the center console is tiny, but with the 03 (with the same trans tunnel) there is ten times the room... also it help that both those other cars also do not have a hand brake to waste space.

 

[Telco]

Right, so that whole ABS thing was just a big waste of time ~ cuz people should simply be able to apply the emergency brake during slick road conditions.

Does NOT make any sense to me, but then again I run around with mostly eighteen wheels planted to the ground, which during slick road condition ... I pray never lock up!

It's a parking brake and also considered an emergency brake to be used in case of brake failure. Was not designed to be used to spin the car around 360' ... a thin line of when she'll go around on ya. Each their own, good luck with that technique. Shinny side up, rubber side down, try not to kill anyone around you when you play with that thing!

You're funny, trying to make out that because I use the emergency brakes under emergency conditions that it somehow means I'm out fake drifting the car. I don't drift my cars, and don't use the emergency brake to make out like I'm drifting. Emergency brake is just that, to be used in an emergency, and that's how I use it. I also like to maintain control during an emergency. An emergency brake that's either on, off, or uses preset positions does not allow as much control as a handbrake that allows infinite adjustments as you go. So far as ABS goes, they still put the majority of the braking power on the front wheels, and you may not want it there. Forgive me for wanting to have more control over my car than you do, but it's how I've always preferred it. Don't worry though, Google is coming out with the car for you, all it has is a door and a seat, and it'll have wonderful GPS controlled Google Map to take you safely to your destination. Provided, of course, that a road isn't removed during the 2 years between their mapping updates. Betcha can't wait for Google 18-wheeler, eh?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerka...car-the-internet-of-things-and-george-orwell/
http://www.wired.com/2008/07/gps-causes-3000/

 

[RigsLS]

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"An emergency brake is a separate brake system in a vehicle for use in case of failure of the regular (hydraulic or air) brakes and commonly used as a parking brake in automobiles"

Anti-lock braking system (ABS) is an automobile safety system that allows the wheels on a motor vehicle to maintain tractive contact with the road surface according to driver inputs while braking, preventing the wheels from locking up (ceasing rotation) and avoiding uncontrolled skidding. It is an automated system that uses the principles of threshold braking and cadence braking which were practiced by skillful drivers with previous generation braking systems. It does this at a much faster rate and with better control than a driver could manage


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Nothing further to discuss, you remain ignorant on the dangerous act of playing with the Emergency brake during slick road conditions. When you get yourself into a situation like that it clearly tells me you are driving beyond your means, skill and/or too fast for conditions.
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Your last point (if we can even call it that) merely confirms to me that your IQ level is right around the same as my houseplants.

Sorry no off subject stupid insulting links for you, you could always Google some if it helps ya.

Don't bother dear Telco ... do what you gotta do ... pull that emergency brake on slick roads if that's what you think is best.
At the very least try and attempt to drive with a gate in your surroundings, always leave yourself an out. Steer away from impact,

... Whoops! that's only for people that know how to drive with ABS,
not for those that slide, skidding out-of-controll with the rears locked up. (eh?)

 

[LS4me]

And the reason the LSes rear rotors MUST be vented is the high degree of rear braking force... All 3 of the LSes on which I've had to replace the brake pads wore out the rear pads at the same rate as the front. My other cars wore out the front pads at almost 3-1 over the rears.

 

[Telco]

You know what Bigrig? When I was a 20 year old punk I'd have gladly debated this with you for days on end. Nowadays, it just isn't worth it. It takes too much time and effort and quite frankly I don't enjoy going back and forth over stupid crap anymore. You need the car to help you drive, fine. Let the car help you drive. I don't have a problem with that, in fact if you need the help I prefer you have it. I would rather have more direct control over my car, and that includes being able to engage and modulate the emergency brake at times. And yes, sometimes I have gone into a situation going faster than I should have been going and using the emergency brake was what kept me from crashing. Your opinion isn't going to change my mind any more than my opinion will change yours so let's stop beating this horse. It's dead now.