lincoln ls1 build pics

cammerfe said:
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Let's start with a row of smilies to make sure that this isn't a pissing contest but simply a discussion with a degree of disagreement stirred-in.

With that said, of course it's necessary to talk about pushrod engines clear across the board. Here then is a short list of the items that aren't available for the LS1 that are readily available in the aftermarket for a SBF.
1. A selection of aftermarket heads
2. A selection of aftermarket intake manifolds
3. thirty or forty different designs of headers
Et Cetera---I'm sure you see what I mean
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You didn't answer my first question, the old 5.0/5.8 or the newer 4.6/5.4?

1. Really, how many do you need? Edlebrock, Dart, Patriot, Trick Flow, Lingenfelter, AFR.... all make heads for the LS1
2. Again, how many you need? Weiand, Edelbrock, HOLLEY, FAST
3. Awe, yes, probably not 30-40, but why would you need that many, if a company makes a great set, why would you need more? Custom applications? make custom headers. There's plenty out there, a quick search or phone call to a good performance shop will help out.

So what defines a selection, 2-3 or 200-300?

I should also point out that it's common practice to replace the older LS1 design heads and intake with version of later LS based engines.
 
The car is definitely cool! I would like to know more nitty-gritty details about the swap as well.......a full brain pick. :p
 
I am super good at math (you kinda have to be in this trade).. Plus I always thought that a LS7 in the Lincoln or even a truck would be friken sweet..

A LS7 in my Ranger :rolleyes:
 
Ubiquitousness

Gus_Mahn said:
Who cares if there are lots of SBF aftermarket heads. Frankly, GM LS heads outflow most of them from the factory. Lots of guys go sub 10 second 1/4's on factory GM LS heads in heavy cars. The GM factory block is MUCH stronger than any late model SBF. I've seen a late model SBF literally split in two at roughly 550 crank HP. It's almost double that for a GM LS.Don't get me wrong, I like the SBF, but the GM LS is leaps and bounds better in stock and modified form.
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Gus, I guess, to a certain extent, I stand corrected. I pay so little attention to government motors that I had no idea that ebrock had bothered to cast a head for the latest iteration of a chib. 'Outflow'...NOT. The readily available BT SBF head is claimed to flow 450+ with no more than a clean-up and a valve job. Please show me a 'spire-port' LS1 head that'll do that even with the utmost work. And the Aussie SBF head is even better.

550-600 may be about max for the late model, lightened version of the SBF block---but that's why we have the Motorsport pieces.

And if they're 'leaps and bounds' better, why aren't they used equivalently to the sort of drag class that has come to be known as 'Pro 5.0'. There seem to be hundreds of those around the country making between 1500-2000 HP. And if we're talking about the 'Mod Motors', please let me aim you toward the sticky to be found in the Turbo Forum in which they give succinct direction to the process of extracting 2200+ HP from the Mod design.

But let's get back to the original question---when the SBF is smaller and lighter than a chib, and able to make more horsepower, and has ubiquitous application as a powerplant, why go to all the extra effort to bastardize a good car?

And please keep in mind that the 2K HP SBF is fully capable of being street driven. It does make for quite a ride on a quick trip to the store. I've been there!

KS
 
Here's the $64K question.

Can the car be registered for use in all 50 states? I know in CA that could be registered for off-road use only. It would NEVER pass emissions or a visual inspection.
 
I just dont think its an engine suited for a luxury car. Like those diesel engine swaps some people do into 70's muscle cars.....yeah it makes a lot of power but doesnt seem right.

Just imagine a V10 Mercedes engine...or the jag 4.2 supercharged engine.
 
LS4me said:
Here's the $64K question.

Can the car be registered for use in all 50 states? I know in CA that could be registered for off-road use only. It would NEVER pass emissions or a visual inspection.
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Yes will it pass an OBDII scan?
Do you have 2 pcms running the car?
That's all that's required for emissions in NY and many other states.
 
cammerfe, It's a huge leap to go from talking about a street car to a pro-5.0! Not many of us can afford a $100,000 race car, so keep the discussion within reason and discuss street cars.

It's common to see 425+ NA RWHP GM LS with a cam and bolt on's. Car Craft took a stock 5.3 truck engine added a cam and carbed intake and made 425 flywheel hp. You won't see anything like that in Windsor world without a blower or nitrous!
 
04SCTLS said:
Yes will it pass an OBDII scan?
Do you have 2 pcms running the car?
That's all that's required for emissions in NY and many other states.
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In 2013 here in CA all 2000+ cars will be smog-checked through the OBD-ll port and not the tailpipe.


Under AB 2289, beginning sometime after January 1, 2013, model-year 2000 and newer vehicles will be tested for smog compliance using the vehicle’s onboard diagnostic systems (OBD-II) instead of a tailpipe sensor. If the vehicle is not equipped with OBD-II or has emissions problems, it can be tested using the tailpipe sensor at a test-only station. Changing the testing procedure should reduce the cost of smog checks, according to the California Bureau of Automotive Repair.
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Engine replacements can also be a pain. I would be surprised if the state would approve of this type of swap. Under the double PCM system would they not still have to communicate?


Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

* Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.
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Odious (to you) Comparisons

Gus_Mahn said:
cammerfe, It's a huge leap to go from talking about a street car to a pro-5.0! Not many of us can afford a $100,000 race car, so keep the discussion within reason and discuss street cars.

It's common to see 425+ NA RWHP GM LS with a cam and bolt on's. Car Craft took a stock 5.3 truck engine added a cam and carbed intake and made 425 flywheel hp. You won't see anything like that in Windsor world without a blower or nitrous!
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There are a plethora of backyard Mustang/Windsor combos making north of 1K HP that are regularly driven on the street. That's one reason I mentioned the trip to the store. Take a quick read through the Turbo Forum.

I haven't personally built a small block Ford for a number of years. But I just took the time to watch a TV thing regarding the use of the chib LS as swapping material. Their thesis was that a bone-yard basic engine could be had for as little as $1500.00 but that by the time that a desireable version and all the ancillary stuff is acquired, the cost will be between $5000.00 and $10,000.00. And that's for a used engine.

I was involved, several years ago, in a '377' project, using virtually all factory parts. In that case we used Cleveland 2-barrel heads, a 351 Windsor block, a '400' crank and a used intake manifold found on the internet. Made just a squeak over 500 HP at the wheels. And it was truly a 'garage' project.

My own current project has some sponsorship help so comparing costs probably isn't fair. But it will have taken less than $5000.00 out of my pocket when complete and will produce something north of 1K HP; likely about 1500 if you factor in the methanol/nitrous oxide. And it'll be a DD configuration. With nothing from government motors.:D

KS
 
BlackLS06 said:
I just dont think its an engine suited for a luxury car.
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So, what engine would you choose? What engine do you think a luxury car should have? Since the Cadillac CTS V has an LS engine, should that be replaced with something else, since it's a luxury sedan? Offer some logic here, because I am in disagreement with you.
 
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