http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/03/mccain_us_lives.html
Have fun with this one Fossten --
McCain: U.S. lives 'wasted' in Iraq
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Have fun with this one Fossten --
MonsterMark
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I'm not voting for the guy if it makes you feel better.
fossten
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McCain's not a conservative in my book. He'll likely implode a la Howard Dean before it's all over.
Thats the best you guys can do?
Im curious, what will you do if he wins the nomination?
Im curious, what will you do if he wins the nomination?
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MonsterMark
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Celebrate the fact that no Dem won!
How could a dem win the republican nomination?
MonsterMark
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Because we certainly don't have any true conservatives running, so McCain would be the best of all the Dems.
So - if he won the Repub nomination, you would vote for him?
fossten
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I'm hoping Newt decides to announce after Labor Day. I think he's counting on the "early announcement exhaustion" of the voters to give him a big boost at that time.
He'll certainly have my vote. Closest thing to Reagan we've got.
He'll certainly have my vote. Closest thing to Reagan we've got.
MonsterMark
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My vote goes to the one person; male or female - black, white or pink that I feel will best protect this Country.
Without freedom, we will lose everything.
Put up a Dem that I feel will protect us at all costs and I will vote for him/her.
fossten
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daves2000ls
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How do you righties feel about Huckabee? Of course McCain is better than Obama, Hillary and pretty much any other Dem that might run. But I'm tellin' ya, what this country needs is another Pres. from AR. Just look at what the last one did for us.
Im just wondering where all the Fossten Rhetoric is on this one? He hung Obama out to dry for doing the EXACT same thing..
Obama Pulls a Kerry, Bashing the Troops
Where all all the inflammatory comments now? If Obama was bashing the troops, isnt McCain doing the same thing?
Where is all the harsh rhetoric now that McCain said exactly the same thing, and backtracked the exact same way? Or is that reserved only for Democrats?
Its funny, you love to throw the word Hippocrite around when referring to Democrats, you love to point out anything that you can twist to make them appear anti american, anti homeland security, anti war. But Now that a republican says the same thing what do we get?
I'm sorry, but some of you miss the point entirely. Most of these candidates are not against war, they are against a war that we went to under pretenses that proved not to be true and a war that is being managed terribly. What you also dont understand is that most of these candidates, Republican and Democrat alike are playing to the polls and to public opinion.
You talk about the biased media, You guys often are worse. The only difference is that you dont have the means to reach millions of people with your message.
Obama Pulls a Kerry, Bashing the Troops
Where all all the inflammatory comments now? If Obama was bashing the troops, isnt McCain doing the same thing?
fossten said:
Calabrio said:
fossten said:
Where is all the harsh rhetoric now that McCain said exactly the same thing, and backtracked the exact same way? Or is that reserved only for Democrats?
Its funny, you love to throw the word Hippocrite around when referring to Democrats, you love to point out anything that you can twist to make them appear anti american, anti homeland security, anti war. But Now that a republican says the same thing what do we get?
Calabrio said:
I'm sorry, but some of you miss the point entirely. Most of these candidates are not against war, they are against a war that we went to under pretenses that proved not to be true and a war that is being managed terribly. What you also dont understand is that most of these candidates, Republican and Democrat alike are playing to the polls and to public opinion.
You talk about the biased media, You guys often are worse. The only difference is that you dont have the means to reach millions of people with your message.
You didn't provide my full quote:
Big difference. We know that McCain has both a history of supporting the war and the military. McCain does not think the efforts in the Mid east are a wasteful effort. He does think the mission is worth achieving.
Because his meaning was different, the statement is different. And, reminder, you can't play this as some kind Republican-protective thing, because,frankly, McCain isn't all that popular amongst the GOP base. I'd lose no sleep if he were to drop out of the race. And announcing on Letterman didn't endear him to me, either.
McCain did make a stupid comment, he needs to be more carefully how he words thing. He must have been under the moronic liberal Mo-Jo of Letterman.
Big difference. We know that McCain has both a history of supporting the war and the military. McCain does not think the efforts in the Mid east are a wasteful effort. He does think the mission is worth achieving.
Because his meaning was different, the statement is different. And, reminder, you can't play this as some kind Republican-protective thing, because,frankly, McCain isn't all that popular amongst the GOP base. I'd lose no sleep if he were to drop out of the race. And announcing on Letterman didn't endear him to me, either.
McCain did make a stupid comment, he needs to be more carefully how he words thing. He must have been under the moronic liberal Mo-Jo of Letterman.
Thi big difference that bothers me - is that Obama makes the same comment - and we get a big inflammatory title from Fossten. McCain makes ithe comment - we get little comment at all. And its not baout being protective of McCain or Obama or anyone else, its about twisting things out of context to make someone look a certain way.
As far as I am concerned, I am not looking forward to this election, because the country is divided enough, and everyone has a different idea on how to manage this war.
My attitude, go at it, all out, or get out. This halfass crap is not going to solve anything. Either you go in and completely get control, or you dont bother. Fact is, we are in the war already, so how to we get out? Do we commit full troop levels - another 100k - and ensure victory - or do we just bail.
Personally, Im for commiting full troops - and put the insurgency in a stranglehold.
As far as I am concerned, I am not looking forward to this election, because the country is divided enough, and everyone has a different idea on how to manage this war.
My attitude, go at it, all out, or get out. This halfass crap is not going to solve anything. Either you go in and completely get control, or you dont bother. Fact is, we are in the war already, so how to we get out? Do we commit full troop levels - another 100k - and ensure victory - or do we just bail.
Personally, Im for commiting full troops - and put the insurgency in a stranglehold.
fossten
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Gee, Joey, where were your comments in that thread, hypocrite? What, you only comment when it's a Republican?
I hardly think I need to demonstrate any more intellectual honesty to someone like you. I've demonstrated plenty of disdain for McCain, to the extent that I even call him a RINO. When have you ever criticized Obama?
The fact is that I didn't feel the need to comment on McCain's words because he's not the MEDIA DARLING that Obama is. You know Obama? He's the Second Coming of Jesus to the media. He's the Great Black(ish) Hope or something like that. McCain is a non issue and everybody knows it.
However, I will comment since you have SINGLED ME OUT FOR CRITICISM. McCain's comments were out of line and he shouldn't have said them. He has not, however, come out in opposition to the President like Obama has. He is, however, a disaster of a Republican and has caused much damage in the last 2 years in the Senate, from the gang of 14 to the terrorist bill of rights. He's a disgrace.
Happy?
MonsterMark
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That makes 2 if someone is counting.
Honestly? Because each of them made comments that could be easily taken a few different ways, so to me I didnt think they comments meant anything worth discussing. The meanings were distorted and blown out of proportion. I dont fault either one of them for anything but making an unclear statement.
And fact is, Fossten, I singled you out because, traditionally, you only open your mouth to slam a Democrat or defend a Republican. I cant recall hearing you say anything about a Democrat that might have a good point, or a Republican who is a complete idiot. (there are plenty, believe me) You certainly save your sensationalist comments for times when you want to slam a Democrat. My problem with that? Your biased. Plain and simple. You better come to grips that every politician is a human being and has faults. None of them speak perfectly 100% of the time, and none of them do the right thing 100% of the time.
Obama never bashed the troops - but thats the title of your thread. Now McCain comes along and says the same thing - and not a peep from you until I bait you into it. And then, your justification is that Obama is a media darling so you must speak in sensationalist terms? Please spare me. You spend much of your time putting other people and their ideas down instead of discussing positives or debating anything. Many LVC members dont post in these forums only because of you and your rhetoric. Your a bully, and I am quite tired of it.
Again, your biased. You use insults against anyone who doesnt think the way you think, and you twist and sensationalize things to make yourself look right. In that way you are every bit a hippocrite, because you bitch about the media doing the exact same thing as you do.
fossten
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Guess what, Joey? I'm biased. Big whoop. Not a surprise. At least I'm not ignorant like you. For example, you still believe George Bush lied to get us into war. You continue to trumpet that idiotic filth every chance you get, no matter how many times IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE has shown you to be full of crap. You also accuse me of never criticizing a Republican. Again, WRONG. I do it all the time. You admit that you baited me. What are you, if I'm biased? A nincompoop?
I don't have to apologize for being biased, because I'm not a member of the media. I'm a private citizen who has every right to espouse his views, regardless of what side I am on. You wouldn't understand the difference between me and the media if it hit you in the face. But for the rest of the readers who aren't complete ignoramuses, I'll assert that the media PRETENDS to be unbiased, and they are not. They pretend to be objective journalists, and they are liars. So pick that one out of your teeth, Mr. Disgusting Avatar.
The big difference is you are biased AND you are unwilling to accept fault. You already know what you do, but I will refresh it for everyone else. You browse through the internet and find articles that support only your idea. You also aleady know that anyone could find 10 other articles to counter your post but people typically dont choose to do so because that would lump them in the exact same, one dimensionsal, indoctrinated boat as you.
Also, the articles you post are biased.....just in your favor. I would rather pretend to be ubiased than be a complete one sided person such as you.
Iancusp
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hey fossten y dont u run 4 pres
Thats nonsense. I believe GW listened to what he wanted to hear and what would justify his going to war. I dont know that he lied, but by in large his reasons have not proven to have been accurate Iraq was not a hotbed of aL Qaida terrorists, and they havent found massive WMDs. Thats the opnly part thats IRREFUTABLE.
Glad you like it. I get alot of compliments on it.
I agree completely. Biased to the point that you dont even consider that there MIGHT be another side of the story, or another rational conclusion that can be reached.
fossten
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You mean like the possibility that Bush wasn't necessarily predisposed to going to war, but after Saddam broke seventeen UN resolutions and nearly all Congressmen and women urged him, he decided along with the rest of the world that the best thing was to disarm Iraq?
No, you have never considered that rational possibility. You are biased, and ignorantly so. Unlike you, I have considered all possibilities with regard to Bush going to war. I considered that the WMDs might have been smuggled out of Iraq, especially since that explanation MAKES SO MUCH RATIONAL SENSE considering that we know he had WMDs because he used them, and because there are people who were in high levels of the Iraqi government who said they saw the WMDs being smuggled out. But did you consider that? No, you dismissed it because it doesn't fit your wacky, one-sided, Bush-hating worldview.
I've criticized Bush for a number of things, notably the Harriet Miers nomination and his stance on illegal aliens. I've been intellectually honest about him with regard to my views. What has he ever done that you've agreed with? NOTHING, because you are suffering from BDS. Not my problem. In the face of all the evidence you simply accept the most irrational explanation, which is that Bush was bloodthirsty and he wanted to kill Saddam Hussein, so he went to war on a pretext. There isn't one shred of evidence in the 6 years he's been President that he has any kind of tendency to take going to war lightly.
Not so Clinton, who bombed an aspirin factory to distract the country from his cigar games with Monica. But I'll bet you NEVER ONCE questioned his decision to do that, did you? Nope. I don't have to take this crap from you, considering you are not only irrational, but ignorant as well.