McCain: U.S. lives 'wasted' in Iraq

[Joeychgo]

No, you have never considered that rational possibility. You are biased, and ignorantly so. Unlike you, I have considered all possibilities with regard to Bush going to war. I considered that the WMDs might have been smuggled out of Iraq, especially since that explanation MAKES SO MUCH RATIONAL SENSE considering that we know he had WMDs because he used them, and because there are people who were in high levels of the Iraqi government who said they saw the WMDs being smuggled out. But did you consider that? No, you dismissed it because it doesn't fit your wacky, one-sided, Bush-hating worldview..

Actually I have - and Monstermark can even tell you that I have thought about such things because I have discussed some of them with him. I have long thought that one reason GW was so hell bent on this war was so that he could intimidate Iran by having a few hundred thousand troops on 3 of their four borders.

If that was one of his intentions, which I could understand and probably support such intentions, he failed miserably in that goal. He failed because he hasnt managed this conflict well whatsoever.

SO here we sit, 4 years later, afghanistan isnt secure, Iraq isnt secure, Iran is stronger and now prepared for war, and is ever closer to nuclear weapons, and where's Waldo? (aka osama bin laden). Even republicans have been distancing themselves more and more from your beloved GW.

 

[Calabrio]

SO here we sit, 4 years later

Side note, how long should it take to over throw a dictator, form a government, develop a constitution, build a civic structure, and then develop the middle class to support Democracy?

That's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking this. How long do you think it should take to do that, and where else has it been done?

afghanistan isnt secure, Iraq isnt secure,

Afghanistan will never be "secure." All we can do is play whack-a-mole/terrorist over there.

But, the important thing is that the terrorist camps were destroyed and Al-Queda can't use the Taliban to provide them safe haven.

Iran is stronger and now prepared for war, and is ever closer to nuclear weapons, and where's Waldo? (aka osama bin laden).

Iran isn't stronger. Iran ONLY becomes stronger if we withdraw from Iraq.
Until then, they are threatened. The weapons program moves forward, but that has no bearing on Iraq. The International community would be dragging their feet, denying sanctions anyway.

The U.S. DOES have the military power to fight in Iran. To think otherwise is foolish. What we probably don't have are the abundant resources and public support that would be needed to invade and occupy the country. But the U.S. could crush Iran within 30 days using nothing but air power. Remember that.

Even republicans have been distancing themselves more and more from your beloved GW.

And again, you're incorrect.
President Bush's poll numbers have tanked, but most Republicans are standing by their man.

But if you come across a historic example of any country successfully doing something as ambitious as our efforts in Iraq, let us know. It'd be helpful to have some reference.

 

[fossten]

If that was one of his intentions, which I could understand and probably support such intentions, he failed miserably in that goal. He failed because he hasnt managed this conflict well whatsoever.

A perfect example of your irrationality. First, you say "if" that was one of his intentions. Very good, because you really don't know for sure about someone's intentions. You can only observe their actions, and since Bush's intentions were made clear by him verbally, the only other way you could judge his true intentions would be by his actions, correct? And there is where your circular logic breaks down.

Bush's actions did NOT support these nebulous, bogus intentions that you've attributed to him. He did NOT go into Iraq and act as though he were threatening Iran. He stuck to his stated purpose, which was to depose Hussein and clear out the WMDs. It's very likely, then, that his intentions NEVER were what you say they were. But you, in a HUGE example of irrationality, instead say that he did have these intentions and simply "failed miserably"at them. Of course, since you can't read his mind, and since his actions have NEVER supported such intentions, you are simply full of sh!t.

I hate to say this to you, Joey, but you are like a man looking in the mirror and saying "DUH" to himself over and over again. Here you try to attribute intentions to Bush that have ZERO evidence to back them up and then in some weird twist you say that he's failed in those intentions and that explains his actions. That's like arresting a man who did nothing for attempted murder, and when he goes to court, the prosecutor says, "Well, your honor, I admit that he really didn't shoot the guy, but he intended to and just was a terrible failure at it."

A contortionist would be proud of your attempts to do somersaults in order to HATE BUSH SO MUCH.