"Mom and Dad" now banned in Kahleefohneeya

...the all-knowing, pure and impartial World Net Daily, and accept their gossip as gospel.


I don't think Fossten ever said WND was impartial...
Doesn't mean they aren't accurate, and don't fact check. Compare that to Dan Rather and CBS who publish stories about Bush that are false, and don't even fact check them before they run them, just run it timed to hurt Bush in the election. Bush could have easily sued for them for that one and won. The mainstream media lack journalistic integrety that the more conservative media doesn't lack.
 
As best as I can tell, all the law effectively does on its own is to order a little more Political Correctness into the school and government. Taken to extremes in actual usage and implementation, (as I have conceded earlier) yes, it could possibly have the extreme results suggested by WorldNetDaily. But again, (and again, already stated) that would require a rather giant leap in both logic and due process for it to happen. The law as it is written now cannot and will not have such a dramatic effect on its own.


Don't know about that, this is California, where someone can distort the constitutions Establishment clause to mean that "under God" should be taken out of the Pledge of Alligeance. All it does is add a little more PC to the schools?! That is not something to be glossed over lightly. The law effectively makes the homosexual community a "protected class" and if someone says something that offends them (or that they want to be "offended" by), they can sue! In California! Doesn't really require as much of a leap as does say claiming that Bush is looking to wiretap American citizens due to a law that clearly does no such thing.
 
If all of WNDs claims are "proven by the text of the law" - which apparently (according to you) no one here is capable of rubbing two brain cells together quickly enough to read - then why don't you quote the relevant parts of the law (again, something WND could/should have done themselves, to add support to their story) and show us how exactly those claims can be validated?

If I thought it wouldn't be a total waste of time, I would. But since you think this is an "un-logical" discussion, what would I stand to gain? You've already made up your mind. Frankly, after your comment I'm surprised you're still posting on this. I thought you had given up.

If you really want proof of laws being twisted and distorted, look back at my post about the Constitution and Roe v. Wade etc. I could name dozens of other examples as well. This happens all the time. Word a law vaguely and then wait for the courts to establish the "true" law.
 
Documentary still sparks controversy and change
by Leah Fabel

Nov 08, 2007

WASHINGTON – Ten years ago, a documentary called “It’s Elementary – Talking about Gay Issues in School” raised the wrath of conservatives, but the debate it reflected ultimately changed a part of the landscape of American education.

An updated version of the movie will be released Nov. 28 under the title "It's Still Elementary," and filmmaker Debra Chasnoff said she hopes it will highlight the continued need to make schools safe and welcoming for all students.

Since the late 1990s, ten states and the District of Columbia have passed “safe school” laws protecting students from discrimination and bullying based on their sexual identity, according to the Washington-based Human Rights Campaign. As a result, many schools have incorporated lessons on gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender sensitivity, including the use of Chasnoff’s film, into their curricula and teacher trainings.

More than twenty states have anti-bullying legislation but without defined categories of protected students. Several more have regulations or policies, but not laws, against sexual-identity-based discrimination.

Chasnoff believes policy still has room to improve, especially in states lacking any measures. But her opponents lament that policy has already gone too far. Both sides say children pay the price.

With the October signing of Senate Bill 777, California is the most recent state to have seen a battle between the two sides. Its sponsor, state Rep. Sheila Kuehl of Los Angeles, said the bill did little more than make language in the education code consistent with language in the state’s other anti-discrimination laws. Discrimination based on sexual identity, she said, had been illegal in California for eight years.

Paul Weyrich, a prominent member of the religious right, explained it differently in an Oct. 26 editorial on the conservative Web site Newsmax.com. According to Weyrich, SB 777, in conjunction with two other anti-discrimination bills, will enable schools to “become miniature laboratories for redefining nature, implementing ‘gender theory’ and experimenting with the effects of sexual lifestyles.”

At issue in California, as in most states that struggled with crafting safe-school laws, was categorization. Some states, such as Louisiana, New Hampshire and Ohio, ended up with laws that prohibit bullying but do not list categories of students to be protected. Other states, such as California, Minnesota and Iowa, have defined the categories.

Gay rights organizations strongly support laws with defined categories of people to be protected.

“The Supreme Court said that (categorization) gives these policies meaning,” said Lisa Mottet, an attorney with the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. “Without naming the problem, you can’t fix it or address it head on.”

Mottet gave the example of a high school principal dealing with harassment of gay students, but wary of acting for fear of aggravating parents who don’t want gay students mentioned in a positive way. “If the law says he has to, and it’s his job to enforce the law, parents can complain about it and he can point to the law. Naming the categories of people who are protected gives principals the authority and requires them to take action.”

Linda Harvey, a frequent news and radio critic of the gay rights movement who runs two Web sites devoted to keeping gay acceptance out of the schools, said the focus on writing categories into the laws is part of a manipulative public relations campaign.

“These policies are used to label and self-label with homosexuality at an early age, and then put parents or Christians on the defensive. If you teach (that homosexuality is not acceptable), then you’re promoting violence.”


Harvey believes homosexuality is a complex choice and a dangerous one to make for emotional and health reasons. Though her views are controversial, many share them. Harvey’s commentary appears on Web sites such as World Net Daily, a right-wing news site with a Christian focus claiming 60 million to 70 million unique page views per month.

But according to Chasnoff, the debate on whether homosexuality is a choice is beside the point. “Far be it from any of us to know why anyone is gay, lesbian or transgender. The fact is there are still millions of us. We have children, and our children are in school.”

She hopes her new movie, which includes updates on the original participants, will further promote what she considers a positive legislative trend.

“Iowa passed comprehensive safe-schools legislation this year. What we’re seeing is an emerging safe-schools movement on its feet, and they weren’t there ten years ago.”
 
OMG, I think I'm seriously going to vomit.

Yet another reason (even though I'm not in Kali) I'm going to be doing my damndest in the near future to make sure my daughter gets into - and stays in - a Christian private school. Then again, it almost seems as if those won't even be "safe havens" from this type of legislation.

I think I can seriously say I've never been so disgusted in my life.
I don't blame you. What's unfortunate is that you'll still have to pay school taxes and also pay for private tuition.

I would like to think it's just a wrong interpretation of the law. If not, it would therefore appear that the Gov. doesn't care about privacy between the sexes. Also, he apparently doesn't see the problems (i.e., sexual harassment/assault as well as consensual sex) that will inevitably occur as a result of allowing co-mingling of sexes in locker rooms and bathrooms.

Where are the womens rights organizations on this one?
 
"This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms."

LoL... Henny Penny has some serious competition now.
 

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