Comptons04LS
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I want to install a 100 shot on my ls but want advice from other members who have done this on what else I will need to do to the car when installing it..such as spark plugs ect.
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1LoudLS
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get it tuned right.
sound familiar? it should...
please do not create new threads asking the exact same question that you asked two days ago. the reason you didnt get a lot of responses then are because there are not a lot of guys running bottles on LS's. come to think of it, i havent seen anybody talk about it in a couple of years. so most if not all the guys that do have bottles have gone on to cars worth bottles. this has all been talked about before, you need to search back through and find the older threads about it.
since your probably not going to search anyway...
bottom line is that adding giggle gas to this car, is exactly like adding giggle gas to every other car, except for that you wont find off the shelf parts that just bolt on in kits. so just like every car, you need the juice, then you need more fuel (injectors and fuel pump), then you need something to control it, i would recommend a progressive controller to ease into it so you dont just have the tire light up every time you press the button. then you will need to take it to a shop to have it tuned properly, i would not ever recommend having it tuned remotely or by email, actually on a dyno.
but honestly, why do yo want to do this? (seriously, i'm not being an ass about it, just want to know)
the LS's is one of the worse cars to spray, small amounts are barely noticeable in power, especially with the kind of weight this car has. and any amount of spray that will make a great difference with more than likely break something. then you are definitely gonna want to put a LSD in the rear.
sound familiar? it should...
please do not create new threads asking the exact same question that you asked two days ago. the reason you didnt get a lot of responses then are because there are not a lot of guys running bottles on LS's. come to think of it, i havent seen anybody talk about it in a couple of years. so most if not all the guys that do have bottles have gone on to cars worth bottles. this has all been talked about before, you need to search back through and find the older threads about it.
since your probably not going to search anyway...
bottom line is that adding giggle gas to this car, is exactly like adding giggle gas to every other car, except for that you wont find off the shelf parts that just bolt on in kits. so just like every car, you need the juice, then you need more fuel (injectors and fuel pump), then you need something to control it, i would recommend a progressive controller to ease into it so you dont just have the tire light up every time you press the button. then you will need to take it to a shop to have it tuned properly, i would not ever recommend having it tuned remotely or by email, actually on a dyno.
but honestly, why do yo want to do this? (seriously, i'm not being an ass about it, just want to know)
the LS's is one of the worse cars to spray, small amounts are barely noticeable in power, especially with the kind of weight this car has. and any amount of spray that will make a great difference with more than likely break something. then you are definitely gonna want to put a LSD in the rear.
Comptons04LS
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I don't think your being a ass. I understand I posted a couple days ago but I didn't see the response I was looking for. I want to do it because I love my ls and want to have some spray to have some more power out of it and people wouldn't think an ls would have it. I will eventually do more custom work such as supercharger ect. But for now I just want to spray it and see how it does. I would also like to say thanks for you advice on both posts. So you don't think that I could get a tune from they guy everyone talks about up here? Or you think it would not be as good as a dyno tune?
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Ranchero50
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If you want to spray it, change your mind...
Comptons04LS
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To bigrigls why should I stop?
1LoudLS
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i would say spraying it would be a bad idea as long as it is done right, due to the price, spraying is a great jump start into going FI with out going broke doing it. start with a small safe jet size (75 to 100) and when your doing the fuel system, think ahead and get what you need for the long run. then you can see how its going to handle the extra power and start finding the other things you going to need to do and gets you started in the tuning process.
then later when your ready to put on your big boy pants, you take out the nitrous system, sell it, and put that money toward a snail or blower of your choice. it will be easier and cheaper because you will already have the fuel delivery portion done, the tuner, and should have a place to get the tuning done.
the down side with the bottle is that its not there all the time, and your always carrying a small amount of it with you at any giving time. IMHO nitrous should only really be used on a car if your plan on sending it down the track where you only need it for a few seconds at a time (or time like when you need a little extra power for a short time like setting land speeds). your cant really enjoy it in a street car, there is nothing like having a lot of extra power 100% of the time cruising up a nice windy road!
then later when your ready to put on your big boy pants, you take out the nitrous system, sell it, and put that money toward a snail or blower of your choice. it will be easier and cheaper because you will already have the fuel delivery portion done, the tuner, and should have a place to get the tuning done.
the down side with the bottle is that its not there all the time, and your always carrying a small amount of it with you at any giving time. IMHO nitrous should only really be used on a car if your plan on sending it down the track where you only need it for a few seconds at a time (or time like when you need a little extra power for a short time like setting land speeds). your cant really enjoy it in a street car, there is nothing like having a lot of extra power 100% of the time cruising up a nice windy road!
1LoudLS
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some people believe nitrous is like a smoking hot girl with an STD, you know you want to hit it hard, but your afraid of the consequences.
jolinc01
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That's the best way I've heard it put! NOS isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but I still wouldn't run it. There have been 3 or 4 guys here that have ran it since I've been here. One of them had an issue where he blew up the airbox at the strip. That being said there are still a lot of variables even with a good tune and that's why I won't run it.
Comptons04LS
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Thank you 1loudls for your input. The first real advice I have received. I think I will go with the low shot for awhile until I have my bank roll lined up correctly. Hearing input from other members like you is the reason I joined this forum. Thanks for it.
Comptons04LS
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Thanks for your input also jolinc01. I have big plans for the ls but with being the only working until my wife is done with school nos is the only way to get a little more power until she is done.
1LoudLS
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personally, i would get it dyno tuned. the biggest reasons why is to do it right, you need to start very safe, make a run, analyze the results, make small changes, then make a run.......
you may have to do this many times to get it where it needed to be, then if you want a little more, you change out a pill, go a little bigger and start the processes over again. this can take forever if you data logging a run, sending it to a tuner over email, waiting for him to do his thing and send it back (you never know how long this could take or what else he has going on at his end at the same time) Ive seen this process that a couple of weeks before on a blown pony, wasn't fun. the tuner isnt there to see/hear what exactly is going on during the run, catching something that just didn't sound or feel right and possibly ending it before the problem get real real expensive.
then you've got the environment, its hard to beat a controlled environment, with proper equipment to see exactly what is going on in front of you vs. going out on some random street or highway to get your data.
I'm not saying that it cant be done over email, its just not worth the trouble in my opinion. email tunes are better suited for stock or near stock cars
Comptons04LS
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Thanks for that 1loudls. I think I'll try it the way you suggested. I will keep this forum informed of the progress.
1LoudLS
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exactly, its really no more dangerous than any other major power adder. it all in how you do it, just like with a gun, its easy to shoot yourself in the foot with it if you dont know what you are doing. most of the problems you see with it are because, like everything else in life, cheap parts failing, poorly done installations, or just going to big on a stock ass motor. kinda like the kid who turbo'd his car with home depot parts (dont know why we haven't hear from him in months :shifty
shotty half ass attempts at cobbling together a system for pocket change will always end badly ive seen two fords(stock as a rock, wife type cars) back fire and blow chunks out of the composite intakes, freak sh!t does happens, but no reason to be too worried about it. a good quality system is plenty safe (well with in reason, nobody's spraying a motor just to get up to the 45mph speed limit, going fast enough to need to spray isn't the safest place to start
)I do agree that i wouldn't run it on this platform. nitrous really shines when you've got a big motor, and the motor is BUILT for nitrous. its really only fun in large amounts, you want to really know when your pressing the button!
:nxsmile :steering :burnout: :burnout:
its really everything that the opposite of the LS is.
revving your engine up at somebody at a red light kinda loses its coolness when he revs back and you have to hop out and turn a valve in your trunk before the light turns green. i know with the way i drive, i would get damn tired damn quick of having to keep filling up another tank all the time! lol
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Not worth it.
1LoudLS
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nothing is ever what we think its worth for our LSs, but we do it anyway. over and over again.
what is worth it?
ills always started his babies on bottles if i remember correctly, and all of his cars have been pretty worth it.
what is worth it?
ills always started his babies on bottles if i remember correctly, and all of his cars have been pretty worth it.
Comptons04LS
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Bigrigls why would it not be worth it? Because you think so? Would you rather see my ls with a body kit and a big wing? Please let me know why it's not worth it.
Ranchero50
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Sure it is, it's just too darned easy
Pretty soon the new guys says 'Man, it runs great with that little pill, bet it'll run even better with a bigger one'
Change little pill, rinse and repeat. Pretty soon the 100 shot is a 150 or 200 without the fuel and timing to keep the engine alive.
Next day you'll see a thread about the 100 shot killing the engine.
A wise man once said 'Know your limits'. I think that applies to the LS as well.
Telco
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This is why nitrous is a fail for me. Dude's car was in his garage doing nothing, didn't even get the satisfaction of blowing it on the track...
1LoudLS
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which is exactly the same if it is supercharged or turbo'd. if it runs so good on 5psi, its got to run great on more, then reach over and turn the dial up, then boom.
its also the same for just driving a stock LS, driving it too hard into a turn (with the advancedtrac turned off because your a "driver") fly off the road and die hitting a tree.
knowing your limits is a basic part to every day, we dont blame our pens and keyboards for misspelling words, shouldn't blame the bottle because you had no ideal what you were doing.
Upstairs Chris
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Why can't people appreciate the LS for what it is.
RigsLS
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What else have you got into your LS so far ?
You just bought it and thought NOS would be cool on a 4 door luxury passenger vehicle ?
If you want to spray something get at least a car that could handle it and looks good doing so.
But hey that's just my opinion and whom I am to stop you.
Although I would be very impressed to see a bottle on an LS I don't think it is the right type of car to do so on.
We think differently. Spray away.
This is why nitrous is a fail for me. Dude's car was in his garage doing nothing, didn't even get the satisfaction of blowing it on the track...
An improper setup is asking for trouble. A lack of a properly installed pressure relief valve can result in pics like this(on a very hot day).
Comptons04LS
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Thanks for your input bigrigls. I know it would prob be better on a different car but I like being a little different than other people. As soon as I can get it installed I'll update everyone with pics and drag slips.
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This is why nitrous is a fail for me. Dude's car was in his garage doing nothing, didn't even get the satisfaction of blowing it on the track...
If this is the car i'm thinking of he left the bottle heater on all the time while car was in garage. I also think they messed with the relief valve. Proper relief valve and blow down tube and it just release NOS out of bottle to ground. I did learn lesson never leave a full bottle in the sun a long time. Bottle shot off like rocket(relief valve doing its job) and ran into my compressor.