Obama calls riot police to get rid of geriatric Tea Party hordes

Foss has been showing his opinion in the titles of his posts such as:

Obama's incendiary remarks spurred vandalism in Arizona

Nowhere in any of the articles linked to does anyone express this opinion or conclusion so I'll have to give him credit for his leading a charge with creativity.:cool:

Oh and when I called you guys out on creative conservatives I thought you'de at least mention Ayn Rand who you're fond of, Mel Gibson or even B list Chuck Norris.

And of course the ultimate creative conservatives are businessmen and capitalists whose magnitude of creativity dwarfs that of artists.
 
I don't suggest violent protest. I suggest the people take back there goddamn country.
 
Foss has been showing his opinion in the titles of his posts such as:

Obama's incendiary remarks spurred vandalism in Arizona

Nowhere in any of the articles linked to does anyone express this opinion or conclusion so I'll have to give him credit for his leading a charge with creativity.:cool:

Oh and when I called you guys out on creative conservatives I thought you'de at least mention Ayn Rand who you're fond of, Mel Gibson or even B list Chuck Norris.

And of course the ultimate creative conservatives are businessmen and capitalists whose magnitude of creativity dwarfs that of artists.

Ah, Ted Nugent... I think Sammy Hagar and Meatloaf are both conservative. Toby Keith - and of course, Wayne Newton and the Osmonds ;)

However foss does seem to be showing a tendency to start threads with headlines that he (or the articles presented) really don't back up. Hopefully he will learn - Shag did...:)
 
So, 1Bad - violent protest - is that what you are advocating?

Did the violent anti war protests of the 70s work... and, is that what you think will solve the current problems?

Oh, Foss - photos are coming? And I expect to see 'hordes' of older people... not 12...

And I am not trolling - I am showing people that your headline is wrong, that you are fear mongering. Obama didn't call the riot police via your own article you used as source - and I have yet to see that this protest really was attended by hordes of geriatrics...
I posted photos, foxpaws, but they were removed. That concludes the busy work I'm doing for you. Suffice it to say that you're wrong. Here's the link if you're not too lazy.

You could have easily asked politely for the link, but instead you chose to use a condescending, taunting tone like you always do - calling names as well. And now the lurkers are calling you out. Your reputation is dwindling.

Clearly you're not out to have a discussion, but to harass. You have a tendency to contaminate every thread with your pathetic taunts, lies, and deceit.
 
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I posted photos, but they were removed. That concludes the busy work I'm doing for you. Suffice it to say that you're wrong. Here's the link if you're not too lazy.

You could have easily asked politely for the link, but instead you chose to use a condescending, taunting tone like you always do - calling names as well. And now the lurkers are calling you out. Your reputation is dwindling.

Wow - 6 people who appear to be elderly-some 'horde' foss...
Clearly you're not out to have a discussion, but to harass. You have a tendency to contaminate every thread with your pathetic taunts, lies, and deceit.

No foss - I am happy to continue to highlight the fact that you are fear mongering - the headline to this post is a classic example. The right is thriving on it, and it needs to be shown for exactly what it is...

oh.... scary riot police - and they are at the beck and call of Obama... ohhhh scary... he sent them after old people....

classic fear mongering...
 
And Cal - what is the tea party doing for you bottom line - or do you just volunteer?
You didn't answer my question, but I'll respond yours.
No, I don't work for or answer to anyone in politics or related to politics in anyway. I'm 100% independent and I only engage in political debate with the intention of challenging myself in order to develop a better understanding.

I'd wait for your response, but we all know your answer can't be trusted....

If the tea party doesn't want to be laughed at they need to understand that 18 police officers in riot gear isn't the big time.
They'll be mocked by your like minded friends in the media and politics?
Or called nazis, hatemongers, racists, stupid, old white people, or violent terrorists?

And big time? Their goal isn't to be a "big time" agitator like you and your Liberty hating friends.


Has anyone else watched the videos I just posted.
It's really very enlightening.
http://www.protestwarrior.com/videos/operation_wolverines.php

Again, getting in the face of a cop asking you to get out of the street is stupid and counterproductive.
Not only would it accomplish nothing, make NO point, it would provide the political and media left the narrative they have been desperately waiting for.
You can't be stupid about this. On this point, foxpaws is 100% right. Where did it get the radicals in the 70s?
No where then.

But those are the people in power right now.
And they are going to press your buttons. Once you respond with violence, you will IMMEDIATELY be discredited and presented in a way to convince the public who are still complacent that you should be isolated and dismissed.
 
Wow - 6 people who appear to be elderly-some 'horde' foss...

Certainly didn't justify the jackbooted response, did it, Miss Goalpost-Mover? You really don't get it, do you? You're dumber than I thought. You thought I was serious with the 'hordes' comment? Wow. Very, very slow, foxpaws. I've always thought that the left has no sense of humor, and you just proved it.

Thanks for FINALLY getting the point of the thread. I guess you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

Your tone is getting more strident, foxster. Clearly I've gotten under your skin.

No foss - I am happy to continue to highlight the fact that you are fear mongering - the headline to this post is a classic example. The right is thriving on it, and it needs to be shown for exactly what it is...

oh.... scary riot police - and they are at the beck and call of Obama... ohhhh scary... he sent them after old people....

classic fear mongering...
Finally dissolving into outright contempt, eh? So much for your 'thoughtful' persona.

And still can't do any better than proof by [snarky] assertion.

Not clever, foxless. Everybody else understood the thread...why don't you?:rolleyes:
 
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If the tea party doesn't want to be laughed at they need to understand that 18 police officers in riot gear isn't the big time.
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Ah, yes. If the Tea Party wants to reach the 'big time,' they need to resort to becoming terrorists like Obama's close friend and confidant William Ayers, who blew up buildings and killed people. Sorry we don't quite rise to your level, foxers.
 
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they need to resort to becoming terrorists like Obama's close friend
..and all the kooks who were parts of SDS and the New Left in the 60s.

Regarding Ayers, I don't understand why people focus on his poorly executed bombings instead of the accidental detonation of the bombs in Greenwich Village which killed two of his radicals, including his girlfriend, and the intended use those bombs....

It was to massacre the army service men and their families at a dance at Ft. Dix in New Jersey.


And it's also complete nonsense for Obama or his defenders to say that Obama was unaware of Ayers past when he met him.

Obama was attending Columbia in 1981.
Obamasiddiqi.jpg

The Brinks Robbery took place in 1981 and it was HUGE news in the NYC media market.

I was too young back then to really understand it, but my father would point out the memorial marker on the side of the road dedicated to Officers Edward O'Grady and Waverly Brown all of the time when I was a little kid.

It wasn't until I was an adult living in New York again that I actually realized what had happened and associated it with everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink's_robbery_(1981)
But if you were in NYC in 1981, you were extremely well aware of the Weather Underground because of that story.
 
Certainly didn't justify the jackbooted response, did it, Miss Goalpost-Mover? You really don't get it, do you? You're dumber than I thought. You thought I was serious with the 'hordes' comment? Wow. Very, very slow, foxpaws. I've always thought that the left has no sense of humor, and you just proved it.

Thanks for FINALLY getting the point of the thread. I guess you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.

Your tone is getting more strident, foxter. Clearly I've gotten under your skin.

Finally dissolving into outright contempt, eh? So much for your 'thoughtful' persona.

And still can't do any better than proof by [snarky] assertion.

Not clever, fox. Everybody else understood the thread...why don't you?:rolleyes:

Oh foss - come on - even I have learned the art of googling...

You were just caught...

You just picked up on typical right wing fear mongering... this is all over right wing blogs, there are hundreds of examples - but here are just a few...

Obama calls in riot police against peaceful Tea Party protesters

Obama calls out SWAT Troops against an Army of Grandmas.


OBAMA & BIG SIS Call In Riot Police on Quincy Tea Party Patriots (Video)

Obama dispatches Riot squad to tea party demonstration/Quincy

and of course your 'link'
Team Obama Calls Out Swat Team on Tea Party Patriots!

Foss, you perpetrated the lie - you were just a voice box.

There was no joke - you just can't admit you were taken for a ride...

You are doing exactly the same thing all right wingers do - after you perpetrate the lie - you then cry 'wolf' and say, 'oh I knew it wasn't true/it was a joke/I played you line...

You got played big time foss...
 
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Cal - who is sitting with Obama - your post talks about Ayers then the photo... but it isn't Ayers in the photo. Or is it just good to make sure you show Obama with a person that appears of Arab descent - guilt by association right?
 
You didn't answer my question, but I'll respond yours.
No, I don't work for or answer to anyone in politics or related to politics in anyway. I'm 100% independent and I only engage in political debate with the intention of challenging myself in order to develop a better understanding.

I'd wait for your response, but we all know your answer can't be trusted....
So why ask?

I don't work for any political party. I was asked by someone who was going to work for the Tea Party Nation if I would join him, I said no. Eventually he didn't take the job either.

And big time? Their goal isn't to be a "big time" agitator like you and your Liberty hating friends.

So, we get to listen to this sort of whimpy complaints - and than watch them get turned into irrational fear mongering... just like Foss did?
Again, getting in the face of a cop asking you to get out of the street is stupid and counterproductive.
Not only would it accomplish nothing, make NO point, it would provide the political and media left the narrative they have been desperately waiting for.
You can't be stupid about this. On this point, foxpaws is 100% right. Where did it get the radicals in the 70s?
No where then.

Cal, the tea party is doing the very same thing if they take something that is very typical when you protest where the president is (police presence, in riot gear) and turn it into something that it isn't. This isn't the president calling in the riot squad on old people. It is the way security is handled around the president. If they cry wolf on this, people will label the tea party as 'fringe' and 'liars'.

Eventually that can be as damaging as getting in the face of the cop that is telling you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk.

Can you see why I didn't want the job?
 
So, we get to listen to this sort of whimpy complaints - and than watch them get turned into irrational fear mongering... just like Foss did?
Do you know how to spell 'wimpy' correctly, fox? This is getting ridiculous, all these spelling errors from such a literary giant...:rolleyes:
 
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Can you see why I didn't want the job?
Yeah you being a statist Marxist wouldn't have anything to do with it, would it. :rolleyes:

More misdirection from the foxster.

Could you be ANY more full of yourself.

I submit that you could not.
 
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How's about going this route with it Foss.................. Ok Fox let's pretend for a second....... I know this might be hard for you but let's try real hard. Let's pretend this thread is called our government sent riot police to control peaceful never violent protestors. Now what do you think of it. And what do you think of the fact that the fearless leader of our nation allows this to happen. Is that better for ya.
 
You still cannot refute my headline. Keep stomping your little feet, though. It's amusing.

Again - since obviously you missed these the first time...

From your own source Foss...

There were a few tense moments when the crowd moved west down York toward Third Street after the president's motorcade arrived. A Secret Service agent asked the crowd to move back across the street to the north side.

When the crowd didn't move and began singing "God Bless, America" and the national anthem, Quincy Deputy Police Chief Ron Dreyer called for members of the Mobile Field Force to walk up the street.

The officers, mainly from Metro East departments near St. Louis and dressed in full body armor, marched from the east and stood on the south side of York facing the protesters.

So, got anything to refute that Foss - it was not Obama, but the local deputy police chief that decided to call in for the 'riot squad'.

Secondly - also from your own source...

About 200 people protesting Obama's policies loudly chanted "USA, USA" as his motorcade made its way out of the Oakley-Lindsay Center, then sang "Hey, hey, hey, goodbye" as the vehicle went by.

But, your photo source shows only 6 old people... 6 out of 200 - not a very good 'horde' foss.. heck, not even 5% of a quite small crowd.

So, what do you have to defend against this foss - ah... so far... nothing...

Because it is an outright lie... A typical right wing, fear mongering lie.

I never realized how closely you really do follow your quote I use as my sig...

You conform foss, you conform to the right. You have been assimilated and handed your orders, which you carry out without question.
 
No response when it is written to sound like the man who represents the people refuses to hear the people. [big breathe after sentence]
 
This country has seen Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, assassinated, the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan and the Pope.

You never know when the next funny in the head person may attempt to kill the president.

All it takes is a few seconds for a person to pull a gun and start shooting.
Afterwards everyone would say he was the quiet one or something.

With the juicy creative hate floating around out there being spouted by various entities to stir up the stirrable, the police prefer to be a bit heavy handed in numbers as a deterrent to someone making an attempt, however remote that possibility may be.
 
How's about going this route with it Foss.................. Ok Fox let's pretend for a second....... I know this might be hard for you but let's try real hard. Let's pretend this thread is called our government sent riot police to control peaceful never violent protestors. Now what do you think of it. And what do you think of the fact that the fearless leader of our nation allows this to happen. Is that better for ya.

1bad - how many protests have you gone to, and more specifically, ones where the president or vice president are either going to be in attendance, or driving by?

I have been politically active for quite a while (please note - foss will not doubt stick in an 'old' joke here). I have been to well over 3 dozen protests where a president has been either at the venue, or his motorcade has driven past.

In every case there has been a large police presence along with secret service men, and there have been swat teams or riot police standing by.

It is what is required in this day and age regarding security around the president.

In this case the crowd wasn't doing what the police asked them to do - move onto the sidewalk. The prudent thing for the police to do is to ask the members of the force who are trained to deal with crowd control, the riot police, to step in and handle the situation. They do this because when you see those members of the police in full riot gear - it is pretty impressive, and you have a tendency to obey them when they ask you to get onto the sidewalk.

This wasn't an isolated incident - this wasn't handled any different than if any group of protesters didn't follow the police's requests to step back onto the sidewalk.

The tea party made a big deal of it, because obviously up until this point it appears they probably obeyed the police, and perhaps weren't as visible/and doing what the police asked them to do at functions where the president was in attendance. But as soon as anything looks wrong when the president is nearby, things change quickly. The local police are there for crowd control, not the Secret Service. That local deputy chief did what he felt he needed to do to make sure that the street was kept clear, and that it wasn't his a$$ on the line if something bad happened to the president.

I have been in protests with high school kids (a group of 40 kids and 10 moms) - we were moved 1/2 mile away from the motorcade, and we were never in the street - always on the sidewalk, and we had a permit. The riot police moved us. And, that is just the way it is.

It happens around the president. Security issues change greatly when you have protesters, the president, and small town police.

Our 'fearless leader' probably didn't even know of this. The local police decide what to do, and they decided to call in the riot squad. It is their job to keep the president safe, and they do what they feel will best protect the president.

If the deputy chief overreacted, that is his call, not the president's. Do you think it would be prudent for the president to state that protesters along the motorcade route should be allowed to do what they want - disobey the local police and laws, just so it doesn't look like he is starting up a fascist regime?

Of course not, that would be irresponsible of him. The local police do what they feel is best in crowd control around the motorcades. It is their butt on the line, and they certainly don't want to be the jurisdiction where the president was put in harms way.

I realize you would like to believe foss on this - that is fine. But, the evidence really doesn't support his allegations.
 
Yeah you being a statist Marxist wouldn't have anything to do with it, would it. :rolleyes:

More misdirection from the foxster.

Could you be ANY more full of yourself.

I submit that you could not.

Jealousy rears its ugly head once again...
 
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Jealousy rears its ugly head once again...
Remember, foxless, you're the one who tried to pick me up over the internet. Even MM made a comment about it at the time. I had to publicly tell you that I was married before you'd back off.

And now you're the scorned, vindictive, wannabe lover who follows me around biting my ankles.

Yep, it definitely fits.
 
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Cal - who is sitting with Obama - your post talks about Ayers then the photo... but it isn't Ayers in the photo. Or is it just good to make sure you show Obama with a person that appears of Arab descent - guilt by association right?

No, it's the picture that the Wiki Columbia website has of Obama in 1981. The guy isn't arab either, he's a Pakistani, Sohale Siddiqi.

I'm not sure what "guilt" that would associate.
Are you projecting your motivations on me again?

So why ask?
If you chose to not answer or lie, that's telling as well.

I don't work for any political party.
What a very precise answer.
Very specific, but not very complete.
You don't work for a political party.

But that doesn't mean you aren't working for, or with, and organized political organization. You certainly aren't obliged to answer this, but you have stated before that you're on the boards of several "charities," I wonder which ones they are and who they are aligned with.

Is it really difficult to think that you might "enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action?"

I was asked by someone who was going to work for the Tea Party Nation if I would join him, I said no. Eventually he didn't take the job either.
Conflict of interest?

So, we get to listen to this sort of whimpy complaints - and than watch them get turned into irrational fear mongering... just like Foss did?
Again- you equated Big Time with the disruptive, often violent, protests that are associated with the left.

Perhaps it's a little unsettling for a group of well behaved, normal people who aren't accustomed to political dissent or agitating, to see such a strong presence activated, seemingly in response to them.

Just call them naive.

Cal, the tea party is doing the very same thing if they take something that is very typical when you protest where the president is (police presence, in riot gear) and turn it into something that it isn't. This isn't the president calling in the riot squad on old people. It is the way security is handled around the president. If they cry wolf on this, people will label the tea party as 'fringe' and 'liars'.
So you're calling them "fringe' and "liars" so that other people won't call them "fringe and liars." You must be calling them these names and maligning them out of the goodness of your own heart.

Eventually that can be as damaging as getting in the face of the cop that is telling you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk.
No it isn't.


Can you see why I didn't want the job?
Yeah, because you're an authoritarian statist, why would you want to associate with an organization that is going to have Andrew Breitbart speaking at their next event.


But with all of this said, I do agree with the truth of your comment.
The little riot team that walked down the street wasn't deployed directly by Obama or anyone in his organization.
However, that IS a stronger response than I have seen at political events or around protests in the recent past.
What do I attribute that to?

I do attribute that to the administration because they have labeled the "Tea Party" groups as radical and potential terrorists, and as such, the local and feds cops are ordered to respond with the appropriate display of force and readiness.
 
1bad - how many protests have you gone to, and more specifically, ones where the president or vice president are either going to be in attendance, or driving by?

I have been politically active for quite a while (please note - foss will not doubt stick in an 'old' joke here). I have been to well over 3 dozen protests where a president has been either at the venue, or his motorcade has driven past.

In every case there has been a large police presence along with secret service men, and there have been swat teams or riot police standing by.

It is what is required in this day and age regarding security around the president.

In this case the crowd wasn't doing what the police asked them to do - move onto the sidewalk. The prudent thing for the police to do is to ask the members of the force who are trained to deal with crowd control, the riot police, to step in and handle the situation. They do this because when you see those members of the police in full riot gear - it is pretty impressive, and you have a tendency to obey them when they ask you to get onto the sidewalk.

This wasn't an isolated incident - this wasn't handled any different than if any group of protesters didn't follow the police's requests to step back onto the sidewalk.

The tea party made a big deal of it, because obviously up until this point it appears they probably obeyed the police, and perhaps weren't as visible/and doing what the police asked them to do at functions where the president was in attendance. But as soon as anything looks wrong when the president is nearby, things change quickly. The local police are there for crowd control, not the Secret Service. That local deputy chief did what he felt he needed to do to make sure that the street was kept clear, and that it wasn't his a$$ on the line if something bad happened to the president.

I have been in protests with high school kids (a group of 40 kids and 10 moms) - we were moved 1/2 mile away from the motorcade, and we were never in the street - always on the sidewalk, and we had a permit. The riot police moved us. And, that is just the way it is.

It happens around the president. Security issues change greatly when you have protesters, the president, and small town police.

Our 'fearless leader' probably didn't even know of this. The local police decide what to do, and they decided to call in the riot squad. It is their job to keep the president safe, and they do what they feel will best protect the president.

If the deputy chief overreacted, that is his call, not the president's. Do you think it would be prudent for the president to state that protesters along the motorcade route should be allowed to do what they want - disobey the local police and laws, just so it doesn't look like he is starting up a fascist regime?

Of course not, that would be irresponsible of him. The local police do what they feel is best in crowd control around the motorcades. It is their butt on the line, and they certainly don't want to be the jurisdiction where the president was put in harms way.

I realize you would like to believe foss on this - that is fine. But, the evidence really doesn't support his allegations.
^^^The above is simply one big anecdotal appeal to authority mixed with ad nauseum. No factual representation whatsoever.

In fact, foxSTER, the Secret Service pressured the local police to put out the MF. So undoubtedly Obama knew of this. So you're wrong again.
 
Remember, you're the one who tried to pick me up over the internet. Even MM made a comment about it at the time. I had to publicly tell you that I was married before you'd back off.

And now you're the scorned wannabe lover who follows me around biting my ankles.

Yep, it definitely fits.

Oh, that's a good one - semi nude - hahahahahahaha....

OK, lets just make this clear -

One - you can't back up your allegations in this thread...

Two - you need to change the subject to attempt to hide the fact that you are lying.

Three - you are lying.
 
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^^^The above is simply one big anecdotal appeal to authority mixed with ad nauseum. No factual representation whatsoever.

In fact, the Secret Service pressured the local police to put out the MF. So undoubtedly Obama knew of this. So you're wrong again.

Prove it... I easily disproved your little supposition in the headline of this thread... now prove this one...

And, if you don't realize how you are being led around like a neutered bull with a ring in his nose, I feel sorry for you Foss.
 

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