October Surprise: Michael J. Fox Falsely Campaigns for Dems

pbslmo said:
I hope I didn't offend anyone, with my "illeriate" thoughts. and for those of you in favor of the amendment, I applaud you. Thanks you!
Have you read the ammendment?

And who do you know of who doesn't support stem cell research?
I've only read opinions from people who oppose federal or public funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research, and people who are opposed to making CLONING a constituitionally protected act in Missouri.
 
TommyB said:
Fossten,

I've read your post above mine (it wasn't there when I started mine), and you have convinced me. :eek: The wording can be construed to mean that the legislature cannot prohibit other methods. Whether that was intentional or not is another story.

Regardless, that's exactly why I believe constitutional amendments are bad.

Fair enough. :Beer

My final word on this is that we (everybody included) need to be specific when using the term "stem cell research." That term alone is not sufficient when describing this. We need to specify either "adult" or "embryonic." Adult stem cell research has the most promise of the two.
 
At this point, I must depart from my political affiliations. I disagree with MJ Fox and his methods. He was wrong to overexaggerate his condition as he did, and probably set back his cause more than excelerating it.

The use of stem cell research, reguardless of origon, to aid in the repair of damaged human cells of current persons should be legalized. I see this as a future for people such as Ronald Reagan, who died from such a disease. There are several points from which that I deviate from my political affiliation, but this is one of the more notable
 
stang99x said:
There are several points from which that I deviate from my political affiliation, but this is one of the more notable

So we should have women getting laid and then running to the doctors office to go through a painful and dangerous procedure so they can collect a check for 10, 25or even 50 grand?

Heck, let's go further. Let's make a super human race.

We can grab the eggs from a woman and the sperm from a guy. Use a petri dish to make it happen. We won't even need a uterus. Just a tank with some liquid in it. We can grow our own people. We can make sure they are perfect in every way. Who needs minorities. Who needs whites. Let's decide on the perfect color complex and make that person. Let's make them 7 ft tall with 12 inch penises for the guys, and 6 ft tall with huge boobs for the girls. Let's make this new breed of people resistant to every malady ever to hit the human race. Hell, Hitler had it right after all. Ya. Let's go for it. F abortions. Let's play God!
 
MonsterMark said:
So we should have women getting laid and then running to the doctors office to go through a painful and dangerous procedure so they can collect a check for 10, 25or even 50 grand?

Heck, let's go further. Let's make a super human race.

We can grab the eggs from a woman and the sperm from a guy. Use a petri dish to make it happen. We won't even need a uterus. Just a tank with some liquid in it. We can grow our own people. We can make sure they are perfect in every way. Who needs minorities. Who needs whites. Let's decide on the perfect color complex and make that person. Let's make them 7 ft tall with 12 inch penises for the guys, and 6 ft tall with huge boobs for the girls. Let's make this new breed of people resistant to every malady ever to hit the human race. Hell, Hitler had it right after all. Ya. Let's go for it. F abortions. Let's play God!


I'm being entraped into responding: But I'm boiling mad:

WOW, let's go back to the dark ages and while we're at it, lets create a Frankenstien with transplantable human organs and burn tissue skin. Or hey, create inter-species by putting animal parts into a human and why even vacinate against polio, mumps, measles, or the pox? Let people die who wern't born with strong genes. And if you get into an accident, why even try to save the life, let them die. (this would certainly take care of overpopulation) Ugghhhhhhhh!

It is this type of arragant ranting from individuals that prevents science from accelerating in bringing cures to those who need it. I strongly believe that the human race is ethical, moral and right in doing all possible to eliviate suffering.

Forgive me for saying this: I hope you never need any organ transplant, because that would only be playing GOD. If your overweight, diabetic, and need a triple bi-pass, forget it. Let nature take its course. One less mouth to feed. Your probably the same person who is pro-life, but wants the death penalty.
 
pbslmo said:
I'm being entraped into responding: But I'm boiling mad:

.....

Your probably the same person who is pro-life, but wants the death penalty.

Good! I hope you are nice and mad.

And once again you you (insert insult here) people can't figure out what the discussion is about. It is about EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH. THAT'S IT! GOT IT! Or are you simply too stupid to figure that out? Sheesh.

We are all for all the adult stem cell and even umbilical cord stem cell research we can get. And why does the government have to pay for it anyway?

We don't want people playing God and deciding who gets to live and who gets to die. We already have enough abortions as it is. Now we should play God with embryos.

And, cause I am sure you won't figure this out either, we are against cloning humans for any reason.

And I love your last comment.

You are FOR killing an innocent human that hasn't even seen the world yet let the killer OFF the hook for a decision that they freely made as an adult. Go figure.


Remember, you were once an embryo. Your momma could have made $50 the easy way.
 
pbslmo said:
Your probably the same person who is pro-life, but wants the death penalty.

ZING! You've pegged Bryan exactly. :Beer

So in summary, the RWWs are all up in arms over this ammendment because the wording leaves a crack open for "cloning". So WHY not recommend changes to the wording of the ammendment to close this crack instead of "throwning the baby out with the bathwater"?? All of the complaints from the right over this seems like a thinly veiled attempt to suppress scientific research. If they are REALLY interested in the stem cell research, they should be refining the wording to their liking. But NOOoooo, we can't have bi-partisan co-operation now, can we??
:rolleyes:
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
If they are REALLY interested in the stem cell research, they should be refining the wording to their liking. But NOOoooo, we can't have bi-partisan co-operation now, can we??
:rolleyes:

(Insert Insult Here) Johnny. Please edu-mi-cate yourself. Stem cell research is already being done in Missouri. Man, you guys are so misinformed by the MSM, you should be ashamed of yourselves for still looking to them for your info. What a travesty you are when it comes to these discussions.

Quit lying about the issue. Quit lying about stem cell research. Quit defining it as stem cell research. For once in your life, be truthful instead of deceitful.

It is about Embryonic stem cell research and human cloning. Adult stem cell research is going on all over the country RIGHT NOW. Most of it privately funded.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother. :shifty:
 
stang99x said:
At this point, I must depart from my political affiliations. I disagree with MJ Fox and his methods. He was wrong to overexaggerate his condition as he did, and probably set back his cause more than excelerating it.

The use of stem cell research, reguardless of origon, to aid in the repair of damaged human cells of current persons should be legalized. I see this as a future for people such as Ronald Reagan, who died from such a disease. There are several points from which that I deviate from my political affiliation, but this is one of the more notable

Stang,

I'm actually surprised at you; not at your "departure," but at your lack of an informed opinion. Clearly, people simply aren't paying attention to what is being said.

I just said to specify the difference between EMBRYONIC and ADULT stem cell research when we discuss it, and you blew that instruction right off the bat.

Furthermore, I must rehash points that have already been made:

1. Embryonic stem cell research is already legal.
2. Embryonic stem cell research has zero evidence that it works.
3. Adult stem cell research is the only one that actually shows promise.
4. The fight between the ideologies is NOT whether or not to legalize embryonic stem cell research (because it's already legal), but whether to allocate taxpayer dollars (federal funds) to it. The argument is that the validity of embryonic stem cell research will be justified by the amount of private dollars being poured into it, and that there is no need to put tax money into it without any oversight whatsoever, because that would allow fudging of ethical lines and open a floodgate of federal money.

As far as pbslmo's angry, rambling, virtually incoherent sarcastic rant, I will only say that thanks to groups like PETA, we are more careful these days in protecting little rodents while doing laboratory research than we are in protecting human life. I'm sorry for you that you don't value innocent human life. But people like you are the rabid abortionists who want to see as many abortions performed as possible to advance the holy sacrament of liberalism.

Like it or not, we are already in a 'brave new world' where a mother can decide to murder her own baby inside her womb with a pistol and go home later that week.

You abortionists try to conflate the death penalty with the right to life. You ignore the fact that a murderer has forfeited his right to life by committing a capital crime, while an unborn baby has simply committed the crime of being inconvenient to its mother. I guess we should just allow any mother who is tired of raising her children to kill them off, eh? Maybe you would give Andrea Yates a pardon.

You also tried to conflate organ donation to embryonic stem cell research. The two are not even remotely related. First of all, the word donation denotes a clear, voluntary, conscious choice by the donor to give up an organ to a needy recipient.

On the other hand, an embryo has no such choice. Your ilk will simply confiscate whatever parts you need from a living being, thus ending an innocent life, so that you can continue living your lprecious lives. And where does it end? Should we allow organ confiscation from children up to the age of two years? How about ten years?

How about if someone is a Conservative Christian, since they believe they are going to heaven anyway, why don't we just legalize confiscation of their organs at any age? If anyone can't sleep at night or look themselves in the mirror, I'll bet it's your people.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
ZING! You've pegged Bryan exactly. :Beer

So in summary, the RWWs are all up in arms over this ammendment because the wording leaves a crack open for "cloning". So WHY not recommend changes to the wording of the ammendment to close this crack instead of "throwning the baby out with the bathwater"?? All of the complaints from the right over this seems like a thinly veiled attempt to suppress scientific research. If they are REALLY interested in the stem cell research, they should be refining the wording to their liking. But NOOoooo, we can't have bi-partisan co-operation now, can we??
:rolleyes:

The answer to your question is so obvious it really doesn't need answering. The left DOESN'T WANT the wording changed because that's the real reason they have proposed this amendment. Newsflash for you, the uninformed glugger among us: THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

Why don't you go ask the lefties that sponsored the bill to change the wording and see what kind of response you get?

Bryan, we need an "ignoramus" smilie along with a "dufus" smilie.
 
Limbaugh not far off on Fox, neurologist says


National Post


Tuesday, October 31, 2006


Michael J. Fox in an advertisement for a Democratic Senate candidate who supports embryonic stem cell research.

Re: Oct. 28 editorial cartoon, showing Rush Limbaugh shouting into a radio microphone, with a technician saying, "He must be off his meds."

There is no doubt that the U.S. radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh's direct style and his own past medication issues make him an inviting target. And although he was, in all probability, technically inaccurate in accusing Michael J. Fox of "acting" in his recent political TV ad supporting a Democratic senatorial candidate, Mr. Limbaugh may have been very close to the mark.

As a neurologist with a large number of Parkinson's disease patients, my impression of the video is that Mr. Fox displayed the poorly controlled "choreo-athetotic" movements seen when advanced Parkinson's patients take their medication to turn "on" and emerge from their natural state of rigidity and rest tremor. At some point after taking a pill, a patient's voluntary movements are freed up, without much excess involuntary movement.

The issue, then, is one of timing. Indeed, a few days after his political ad came out, Mr. Fox appeared at a Democratic event in Chicago with his movements under control, a situation he called "ironic." Strangely, however, he seemed unable to appear controlled for a pre-taped TV ad a few days earlier, when the appropriate timing should have been easier, given the possibility of multiple "takes." Lest this all sound too cynical, consider that Mr. Fox admitted in his 2002 autobiography to going off his medication to appear more disabled before a 1999 Senate subcommittee appearance.

Democratic party manipulation appears to go much further. In offering Mr. Fox as a spokesman, they have clearly hoped he would cut a sympathetic figure immune from criticism, and the faux outrage at Mr. Limbaugh's comments seems to confirm this. While Mr. Fox deserves sympathy for this medical plight, he must assume full responsibility for his words and actions when he chooses to enter the political arena. By politicizing a medical issue, he is, in effect, saying that anyone who cares about new treatment hope for Parkinson's disease patients must vote for the the Democratic candidate in Missouri -- not coincidentally, a pivotal state in the upcoming election to control the U.S. Senate.

This is not only unfair, but absurd. Everyone, including Republicans, supports the many new treatments emerging for Parkinson's patients that promise far more immediate application than do stem cells. Republicans also support stem cell research when it comes from ethically sound sources, such as adult tissues and umbilical cord blood. Ironically, these forms of stem cells have had greater success to date than the embryonic-source stem cells lionized in the Michael J. Fox TV ad.

Dr. Paul Ranalli, FRCPC, Toronto.


*owned*
 
95DevilleNS said:
I wasn't quoting you and it was a joke. Time to pull the stick out...

Oh, I get it. Like John F'ing Kerry's "botched joke" about the troops? :rolleyes:

You, like Kerry, are not a funny person.
 
fossten said:
Oh, I get it. Like John F'ing Kerry's "botched joke" about the troops? :rolleyes:

You, like Kerry, are not a funny person.


I must have missed that joke...

Like I said, time to pull the stick out.
 
pbslmo said:
Oh my goodness, Why can't a woman donate/sell her eggs? A man can donate/sell his sperm.

First of all, it's a dangerous procedure where many women have died. This is a classic example of someone being taken advantage of because they are poor. You won't find middle class people doing this.
 
Oh I see, It is world news when a poor person does it, but nothing is said when a middle class person does it. Perhaps the "Middle Class" women, go to a classer place and it is not disclosed. Or perhaps because the woman is "poor" she will not receive the same care and treatment as the middle class woman?

How can you say they are being taken advantage of when the woman decides to have this procedure and is compensated. It is HER decision.

TaTa of now.
 
Make body parts valuable enough and watch people start 'killing for cash'. Morticians are already doing it, only they don't have to kill the person. They just need to 'harvest' that person soon enough.:(
 
MonsterMark said:
Make body parts valuable enough and watch people start 'killing for cash'. Morticians are already doing it, only they don't have to kill the person. They just need to 'harvest' that person soon enough.:(

That already happens with people killing to harvest hearts, kidneys, livers etc. Supposedly the black market for human organs is huge in SE Asia where poor children run rampant and are easy prey, I read a story awhile back. Sick sh!t.
 
95DevilleNS said:
You mean living in your own made-up fantasy world?

:confused: Obviously you haven't seen the movie. Why am I not surprised. Typical behavior from you: In order to bash a conservative, you have to comment before you know the facts.
 

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