OMG!!! It's all the Republicans' fault!!!

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Watching the National Geographic Channel this evening...the show "Inside 9/11" and I just realized that 9-11-1 could be blamed completely on the Republicans!

Where am I getting this?

The first attack by Al Quieda was the truck bombing of the WTC in the early 90's. Bin Laden at this point has already been on the CIA's radar for four years, but hadn't really done anything to prove he was more than a blustering crazy arab.

A series of blunders by the FBI and the NYPD (wow) leaves tons of evidence linking the truck bomb to Bin Laden and Al Quieda laying in filing cabinets doing nothing.

No big deal. The CIA is still on it...they know who Bin Laden is and they are keeping tabs on things that he spends his money on, like bombings of US bases and attacks on US Naval ships and arming and training Somalian fighters who shoot down US helicopters. So they hatch a plan to capture Bin Laden and bring the fear of the US to him.

The CIA tells Clinton, hey we've got a plan to get this guy. Bill says ok go for it. The CIA works with some local Afghani fighters and have practiced and are all ready to go...then like some scene out of a Tom Clancy novel they take a satellite photo and an astute analyst sees something amiss...a swing set in the compound that Bin Laden is staying in. :q:q:q:q...what do we do...we can't kill a kid it will get Bill strung up and aired out by the Republicans who are looking for any sort of reason to get him out of office.

So hard are the Republicans working in their partizan political mud slinging that even the President's sex life has been brought to the table...which has never before been thought of as fair game even in the past when the infidelity was almost public knowledge.

Because of this, Clinton is barely able to respond to international matters. An attack on a US military base however finally allows him the freedom to respond militarily with the backing of international allies and the understanding and backing of the population of the US. He does so by blowing the :q:q:q:q out of several of the Al Quieda bases and some military facilities with cruise missiles. He's accused of trying to distract the country from his sex scandal though, and that's what the (supposedly liberal biased) media plays over and over as the story. 'Clinton tries to distract america with this terrorism bull :q:q:q:q'.

If Republicans hadn't been so partizan at the time, they would have probably received a request for war from Clinton as Bin Laden had publicly declared war on the US via a prime time interview on 20/20.

Not only did they block Clinton from taking care of international problems by distracting him with pointless and ridiculous impeachment accusations, but then when the USS Cole was attacked, at the very end of Clinton's term, and Bush's first decision was if he should respond militarily or not, he passes on the opportunity to take Bin Laden out. Why? Because he didn't listen to the special Bin Laden CIA team, at least that is my only guess.

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Let me just say by way of 'two sides to every story': Had Clinton not been a big pussy about the whole Republican National Convention attacking him, he could have responded and just not cared...but then he would have been like Bush...
 
WOW. Awfully quiet in here. 3 whole days pass w/o even a poke from the RWWs here? I could go into a typical "gee, where's all those pansy (insert opponent's names / affiliation here), running with their tails between their legs because they can't handle the truth??" type of comment we've seen so often here in this forum ............ but I won't.

:Beer
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
WOW. Awfully quiet in here. 3 whole days pass w/o even a poke from the RWWs here? I could go into a typical "gee, where's all those pansy (insert opponent's names / affiliation here), running with their tails between their legs because they can't handle the truth??" type of comment we've seen so often here in this forum ............ but I won't.
I guess one would call that post plausible deniability because it seems you accomplished your goal without actually accomplishing anything. Sounds like the left for sure. I won't say it say it but I'll say it and deny it. lmao. Nice one Johnny.
 
That's right, Johnny. Stay here, in your little playpen, where it's safe. You don't dare venture forth and jump into any of OUR threads.

I pick and choose where I post (which is quite frequently, BTW), but I didn't see the need to dignify this thread with a response since it's based on opinionated conjecture, just like the usual Phil fare. Waste of time. I only noticed it again b/c Bryan posted here.

BORING.

:sleep:
 
fossten said:
I pick and choose where I post (which is quite frequently, BTW), but I didn't see the need to dignify this thread with a response since it's based on opinionated conjecture

They're FACTS! FACTS DAG NABIT! FACTS!

FACTS reported by a non-partisan news group who picked on both the clinton and bush administrations equally.

(my interpretation of the FACTS may be a bit skewed, but I figured I'd just pound out the word FACTS a few times so that we could all laugh at the idea that anyone can get FACTS from a report or tv show)
 
raVeneyes said:
-----Edit-----
Let me just say by way of 'two sides to every story': Had Clinton not been a big pussy about the whole Republican National Convention attacking him, he could have responded and just not cared...but then he would have been like Bush...
AND we wouldn't have to be in Iraq right now.
 
What's absolutely brilliant is that all of this was derived from 1 television show. Never mind almost 6000 years of human development and data interpretation. Kudos to all involved, especially National Geographic.
 
All I know is that the military was screaming to get a chance to put these guys in their place. However the fukksticks in DC couldn't get their d!cks out of their mistresses for long enough to hear our cries. We could sit here and play the blame game all friggin day but the truth of the matter is that America was full of sleeping pu$$ies lulled to bed by years of denial.

It took 3000 deaths at once to wake SOME of us up. This crying over spilled milk sh!t has gotta stop... The point is that we've been kicking a$$ and taking names for 5 years now. These guys are truly scared of us...and as well they should be.
 
FreeFaller said:
The point is that we've been kicking a$$ and taking names for 5 years now. These guys are truly scared of us...and as well they should be.

Are you referring to the Fiberals or the terrorists? ;)
 
MonsterMark said:
I guess one would call that post plausible deniability because it seems you accomplished your goal without actually accomplishing anything. Sounds like the left for sure. I won't say it say it but I'll say it and deny it. lmao. Nice one Johnny.

So you agree that that type of post, most commonly provided by (I won't name names, but it starts with "F"ossten) is juvinile, THANK YOU.
:Beer
 
fossten said:
That's right, Johnny. Stay here, in your little playpen, where it's safe. You don't dare venture forth and jump into any of OUR threads.

Yeah, it's all warm and fuzzy in here, can't you feel the love? Oh, and YOU have "YOUR" threads? Where? Those soggy biscut parties you RWWs love to have so much? No thanks, I'm straight.

fossten said:
I pick and choose where I post (which is quite frequently, BTW), but I didn't see the need to dignify this thread with a response since it's based on opinionated conjecture, just like the usual Phil fare. Waste of time. I only noticed it again b/c Bryan posted here.

Funny, you complain that the typical "Phil fare" is cut-n-pasted articles and no original thought. Yet when original thought is posted, you still complain. I guess there's just no pleasing you. Too bad. Your life must suck.
 
Saying it like it is, in plain speak.

George Bush: "They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy… After September the 11th, 2001, we’ve taught the terrorists a very different lesson: America will not run in defeat and we will not forget our responsibilities."
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Way to go George.
 
Those soggy biscut parties you RWWs love to have so much? No thanks, I'm straight.

no no, silly lib. We have CIRCLE JERKS and YOU guys play soggy biscuit.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Your life must suck.

You can stop with the personal attacks, Johnny. If I said anything like this to you, you wouldn't post for days while you sat at home crying and sucking your thumb.
 
MonsterMark said:
Saying it like it is, in plain speak.

George Bush: "They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy… After September the 11th, 2001, we’ve taught the terrorists a very different lesson: America will not run in defeat and we will not forget our responsibilities."

I agree that the US response to the previous attacks is what lead up to the 9/11 attack, but note that the last, most connectable, most documented attack on the USS Cole was allowed to pass by not by the Clinton administration, but by the Bush administration...and just like Bush, I do not place blame for that, I just realize it was a contributing factor.
 
MonsterMark said:
George Bush: After September the 11th, 2001, we’ve taught the terrorists a very different lesson: America will not run in defeat and we will not forget our responsibilities."
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Way to go George.

You left out part of the quote, you forgot "And we will attack you based on lies if necessary, such as trumped up WMD claims or false involvement with 9/11. And if anyone in our country dares to dispute our trumped up charges with factual evidence, we will destroy them and their families with false character assasintions or any other means we deem necessary."
 
97silverlsc said:
You left out part of the quote, you forgot "And we will attack you based on lies if necessary, such as trumped up WMD claims or false involvement with 9/11. And if anyone in our country dares to dispute our trumped up charges with factual evidence, we will destroy them and their families with false character assasintions or any other means we deem necessary."

You've been mistaking Doonesbury for real facts again, haven't you Phil?
 
fossten said:
You've been mistaking Doonesbury for real facts again, haven't you Phil?
Doonesbury is closer to real facts than most of the BS that comes from this administration.
 
97silverlsc said:
You left out part of the quote, you forgot "And we will attack you based on lies if necessary, such as trumped up WMD claims or false involvement with 9/11. And if anyone in our country dares to dispute our trumped up charges with factual evidence, we will destroy them and their families with false character assasintions or any other means we deem necessary."
Here you go Phil. Read the whole thing if you've got the guts. Here is your hero. Explain away. I'm going to make some popcorn. Your response should be better than any Hollywood movie script I'm sure.

This should be shoved down every liberals throat.
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PRESIDENT CLINTON: Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

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I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability. The inspectors undertook this mission first 7 1/2 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing. In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past. Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence.

For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program. It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions. Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment. Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance. As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament. In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program." In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness.

Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors. This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance. And so we had to act and act now.

Let me explain why.

First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq. They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

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At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare. If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East. That is something we wanted very much to avoid without giving Iraq a month's head start to prepare for potential action against it.

Finally, our allies, including Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, (Where was France and Germany and this great big coalition???) concurred that now is the time to strike. I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses.

So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens. The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.

Second, so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion -- resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people. We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq's neighbors and less food for its people.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties. Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion. We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully. Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction.

If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them. Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Let me close by addressing one other issue. Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so. In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between chaos and community, fear and hope. Now, in the new century, we'll have a remarkable opportunity to shape a future more peaceful than the past, but only if we stand strong against the enemies of peace.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that.

May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America.
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How soon you hypocrites on the left forget.
We attacked Saddam. What did he do? He didn't attack us.
We killed innocent civilians with our bombs.

Liberals = Hypocrites
 
MonsterMark said:
Here you go Phil. Read the whole thing if you've got the guts. Here is your hero. Explain away. I'm going to make some popcorn. Your response should be better than any Hollywood movie script I'm sure.

Once again, Bryan, I am no fan of Bubba. He is not my hero. And, unlike our current CIC, I don't need a script. Your attempts to defer the issue at hand to Bubba are lame, nor do they address the issues raised. You keep going back to the Repug play book to deflect criticism, but the issue still remains the same-Shrub and Challiburtony lied to get us to go to war. They outed a CIA agent and attempted to destroy the credibility of a respected member of the diplomatic community because he had the balls to tell the American people the truth. They have caused the death of over 1900 american troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens and the destruction of the infrastructure of Iraq with their lies. And now their budget cutbacks that were necessary to fuel this wrongful war have probably added to the devastation caused by Katrina. Shrub is a failure as a president. :waving:
 
97silverlsc said:
Doonesbury is closer to real facts than most of the BS that comes from this administration.

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: Does that statement prove my point or what?:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
 
97silverlsc said:
Once again, Bryan, I am no fan of Bubba. He is not my hero. And, unlike our current CIC, I don't need a script. Your attempts to defer the issue at hand to Bubba are lame, nor do they address the issues raised. You keep going back to the Repug play book to deflect criticism, but the issue still remains the same-Shrub and Challiburtony lied to get us to go to war. They outed a CIA agent and attempted to destroy the credibility of a respected member of the diplomatic community because he had the balls to tell the American people the truth. They have caused the death of over 1900 american troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens and the destruction of the infrastructure of Iraq with their lies. And now their budget cutbacks that were necessary to fuel this wrongful war have probably added to the devastation caused by Katrina. Shrub is a failure as a president. :waving:

I think Bryan's point, since you obviously missed it, is that people like YOU didn't criticize Clinton when he took this kind of action. If you thought it was so wrong, where was your voice? I'll bet you voted for him in both elections.

You only criticize Bush in the spirit of partisan politics and sour grapes b/c your party lost. You swallow the press corps talking points and Ted (hic) Kennedy's and Michael Moore-on's BS because they are the only voices in your party being heard right now, despite the FACT that they've been thoroughly DISCREDITED. I know it's hard to handle when your party doesn't stand for anything at all, so your only recourse is to bash the party in power.
 
fossten said:
I think Bryan's point, since you obviously missed it, is that people like YOU didn't criticize Clinton when he took this kind of action. If you thought it was so wrong, where was your voice? I'll bet you voted for him in both elections.

You only criticize Bush in the spirit of partisan politics and sour grapes b/c your party lost. You swallow the press corps talking points and Ted (hic) Kennedy's and Michael Moore-on's BS because they are the only voices in your party being heard right now, despite the FACT that they've been thoroughly DISCREDITED. I know it's hard to handle when your party doesn't stand for anything at all, so your only recourse is to bash the party in power.

1. You Don't know what my position, then or now, is about what Bubba said or did.
2. Although it has no bearing on the issue, I did not vote for Bubba either time.
3. I criticize Shrub because it is my right to do so as a citizen and I feel he is wrong about the issues I comment on.
4. You don't know my party, and obviously you don't read the whole post before commenting because I have stated before that I am registered as an Independent.
5. The only swallowing going on is being done by you-I read books on the subject as well as read articles from numerous sources before forming my opinions.
Your responses to any disagreement are typical Repug-sling :q:q:q:q at the fan and hope something sticks, anything to deflect attention from the truth.
 

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