rule #1 never ask what you actually want to get...
rule #2 never pay what somebody is originally asking.
it a dance, they go high, I go low. when done, we meet in the middle.
Normally. I gave the girl that bought my LS $100 off even though her dad was willing to pay full boat. I felt throwing them a bone was the right thing to do given the negotiation process. That and the LS had only about 1/3 of a tank of gas...