Payrolls Fall, Unemployment Rate Climbs

I know - none of this has anything to do with GW - right?

Hey Joey, and it has nothing to do with a democrat controlled congress either, right? ;) You know, the same democrats that promised to do great things after taking over congress in 2006. What great things have they done--NOTHING!! Instead, the first thing they did was launch investigation after investigation. And they continue with the same crap to this day. That's why congress had at one time an 11% approval rating--lower than Bush has ever been. :rolleyes: Now, Dennis Kucinich (D-LOOSER-OH) introduced articles of impeachment. :rolleyes: What about the oil crises? Oh..right...democrats created it by blocking Gulf of Mexico drilling, processing oil shale and coal. In fact, democrats just block another ANWR bill. ;)

So, what was your little sarcastic GW comment? :confused:

WAKE UP!
 
Uh, we didnt get into this economy in just the last 16 months - and we have 6 years of republican controlled congress before that. SO dont even try to blame the dems in congress for the current economic woes.
 
Uh, we didnt get into this economy in just the last 16 months - and we have 6 years of republican controlled congress before that. SO dont even try to blame the dems in congress for the current economic woes.

WHAT?

Where have you been. :rolleyes: Please give me your stats to prove you point. :D

As fossten says...Jeopardy Clock...........

:rolleyes:
 
SO dont even try to blame the dems in congress for the current economic woes.
Gas was $2.20 gal when the Dems ran on a campaign promise to fix it. Now it is $4.00 and climbing.

BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS, BDS,
 
Uh, we didnt get into this economy in just the last 16 months - and we have 6 years of republican controlled congress before that. SO dont even try to blame the dems in congress for the current economic woes.

More proof by assertion...
 
Ok I am going to have to bite on this one shag.
Please tell me what blame are you willing to pin on Bush ? :shifty:
Give me the short list. :rolleyes:
Department of Homeland Security, Shamnesty, appointing a gun grabber as head of the ATF and attorney general, massive spending increases, fighting a politically correct war, Harriet Miers, the Transcontinental Highway, caving to global warming.

That good enough of a start?

Try searching the forums for all the times when I've criticized Bush before you roll your eyes.
 
Uh, we didnt get into this economy in just the last 16 months - and we have 6 years of republican controlled congress before that. SO dont even try to blame the dems in congress for the current economic woes.
I would argue that the minimum wage increase has had the most immediate and direct effect on payrolls and the economy. You can thank the Dem Congress for that one. And the media. And Bush. Min wage increases are nothing but tax increases on the poor.
 
Ok I am going to have to bite on this one shag.
Please tell me what blame are you willing to pin on Bush ? :shifty:
Give me the short list. :rolleyes:

Off the top of my head?

Deficit spending/national debt
Immigration/amnesty
lousy rebuilding of Iraq
No Child Left Behind
E85 (Ethanol) sham
Loss of House and Senate in 2006 election (see the Immigration/Amnesty issue)

Those are all I can think of at the moment.
Looks like a good start. ;)
I think Bush has tryed to get something going when it comes to Immigration/amnesty.

”America needs to secure our borders -- and with your help, my administration is taking steps to do so. We're increasing worksite enforcement, deploying fences and advanced technologies to stop illegal crossings. We've effectively ended the policy of "catch and release" at the border, and by the end of this year, we will have doubled the number of border patrol agents. Yet we also need to acknowledge that we will never fully secure our border until we create a lawful way for foreign workers to come here and support our economy. This will take pressure off the border and allow law enforcement to concentrate on those who mean us harm. We must also find a sensible and humane way to deal with people here illegally. Illegal immigration is complicated, but it can be resolved. And it must be resolved in a way that upholds both our laws and our highest ideals.”

President George W. Bush
January 28, 2008

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/

Cant you just blame congress for the failed Immigration/amnesty problem ?

Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people and Congress's failure to act on it is a disappointment. The American people understand the status quo is unacceptable when it comes to our immigration laws. A lot of us worked hard to see if we couldn't find a common ground -- it didn't work.

Bush June 28, 2007

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070628-7.html




Department of Homeland Security, Shamnesty, appointing a gun grabber as head of the ATF and attorney general, massive spending increases, fighting a politically correct war, Harriet Miers, the Transcontinental Highway, caving to global warming.

That good enough of a start?

Try searching the forums for all the times when I've criticized Bush before you roll your eyes.

I didn't claim you have never criticized Bush fossen, matter of FACT I didn't bring YOU up at all...I asked Shag what HE thought Bush might need to be held accountable for.
Dont you have a bible study to go to.....or a gun to polish ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
I didn't claim you have never criticized Bush fossen, matter of FACT I didn't bring YOU up at all...I asked Shag what HE thought Bush might need to be held accountable for.
Dont you have a bible study to go to.....or a gun to polish ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Ok I am going to have to bite on this one shag.
Please tell me what blame are you willing to pin on Bush ?
Give me the short list.
Well, Shag wasn't talking to you either, but you felt the need to jump in, so I figured it was okay to speak out of turn.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: By the way, I know you think you're clever, and you're trying to be an a-hole by insulting me, but actually I'm proud of my faith and my guns. Any time you want to see either collection up close you just let me know.
 
Well, Shag wasn't talking to you either, but you felt the need to jump in, so I figured it was okay to speak out of turn.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: By the way, I know you think you're clever, and you're trying to be an a-hole by insulting me, but actually I'm proud of my faith and my guns. Any time you want to see either collection up close you just let me know.

I guess I must have done something to the far right to get black balled :D
Kind of like Obama huh ? :)
OBTW I dont try to be a a$$hole I just am one sometimes just ask my ex wife.
I would love to have a faith talk sometime with you...but would have to promise me to lock up the guns. :shifty:

I can handle someone pointing jesus at me but a firearm is a different story.
 
Uh, we didnt get into this economy in just the last 16 months - and we have 6 years of republican controlled congress before that. SO dont even try to blame the dems in congress for the current economic woes.

Hey Joey, I'm still waiting for your stats as to how the slumping economy is all Bush's fault. In the meantime, how about it if I give you some facts:

In just one year …….

Remember the election in 2006?
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006 and we got it!
Remember, its congress that makes law, not the President. He
has to work with what’s handed to him and constitutionally, the House of Representatives is responsible for the fiscal affairs and budget of the United States.

Taxes, whether Democrat or Republican, you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing:
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Taxes under Bush 2008 - Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Clinton: Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Bush: Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Clinton: Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Bush: Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Clinton: Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Bush: Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Clinton: Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Bush: Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Clinton: Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Bush: Married making 125K - tax $31,250

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?
1) $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77;
2) $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html;
3) $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html;
4) $12 Billion dol lars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html;
5) $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html;
6) $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html;
7) 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html;
8) $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by American taxpayers. Verify at:
http://www.uscfile.org/;
9) $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html;
10) The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US Verify at: ;
11) During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at:
Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht (Note: 4.42MB PDF file)

Food for thought!
 
Shag, you're wasting your time. Joey is incapable of seeing anyone else's faults because he views everything through the prism of "Bush sucks."

Even when presented with incontrovertible proof of job gains during Bush's presidency, he throws out Clinton's stats as better. When shown incontrovertible proof of the Congress screwing up our economy, he ignores the evidence and makes bogus claims about when acts by Congress supposedly take effect. When asked directly about his unwillingness to acknowledge one single good thing done by Bush, he dodges the question and accuses everyone on the planet of being a "Bush loyalist."

He denies having BDS but the evidence says different. Joey is in abject denial. This thread is proof of it. It's gone so far as to be a point of honor with him - he will not admit his BDS, but he will not say anything good about Bush.
 
Hey Joey, I'm still waiting for your stats as to how the slumping economy is all Bush's fault. In the meantime, how about it if I give you some facts:

In just one year …….

Remember the election in 2006?
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006 and we got it!
Remember, its congress that makes law, not the President. He
has to work with what’s handed to him and constitutionally, the House of Representatives is responsible for the fiscal affairs and budget of the United States.

Did you get that in a e-mail Mac1 ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_electing_a_democratic_congress_in_2006.html

Simple fact Bush has had something to do with the problems we are facing.
Remember, its congress that makes law, not the President
Last time I checked it has to pass over the President's desk and get signed before it becomes law.
 
Shall I go though the many posts of people giving Bush credit for a better economy a few years ago?

I can give you SPECIFICS regarding things Bush did that helped stimulate the economy. Specifically- TAX CUTS, and some of the things he PREVENTED from the Democrats, like Kyoto.

Now, tell me what he did, that you disagree with, that hurt the economy. And in any of those examples, did he deviate from conservative principles and achieve the approval of Democrats?
 
Did you get that in a e-mail Mac1 ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_electing_a_democratic_congress_in_2006.html

Simple fact Bush has had something to do with the problems we are facing.

Last time I checked it has to pass over the President's desk and get signed before it becomes law.

Based on the Snopes link the facts presented aren't in question. Obviously, however, the writer is sensitive to the notion that the majority democrat congress is at fault for the faulting economy. Interesting, since democrats never hesitated to fault republicans for the economic problems leading up to the 2006 elections. :rolleyes: But when the shoe is on the other foot Liberals cry foul. I just pointed out what has happened since democrats took over congress.


Are democrats at fault for the current economic downturn? Well, in light of the fact that right after democrats won a majority in 2006, Nancy Pelosi communicated to the American people that the newly elected democrat majority would work very hard to accomplish great things, it seems to me that instead the American people got nothing but smoke and mirrors. In fact, democrats campaigned on promises to reform congress and work hard for "change". The only change we got has been relentless investigations, accusations and more investigations. So, I'm going to hold democrats more responsible based on their promises and the fact that they have not even attempted to deliver on those promises. Now, the latest nonsense is Dennis Kucinich's (D-OH) 35 articles of impeachment against President Bush, which are a waste of time and taxpayer money. All at a time when congress has much more important things to address. So, as far as I'm concerned, the Snopes article writer can take his fallacy and put where the sun don't shine. I'm going to hold democrats to the same standards they hold republicans to. :rolleyes:
 
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