praying in public in Chicago = disordely conduct

[shagdrum]

If he was "standing by the building" praying out loud, he was engaged in "oral protest" and violated the 50 foot rule of the law.

Do you know what "praying the rosary" is? That is not, in any way, an "oral protest". To claim so is to define down what an "oral protest" is.

 

[shagdrum]

he was told twice to move and refused. he was arrested and charged.

You have two conflicting stories. Unless and until this case develops more, it would be prudent to avoid assuming either one is true unless it is for the sake of argument and is explicitly stated as such.

 

[hrmwrm]

if his is correct, the courts should have no problem.
but obviously he was arrested for walking down the street.

 

[shagdrum]

but obviously he was arrested for walking down the street.

How is that obvious?

 

[cammerfe]

Not The Same

Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion.

Not necessarily. Freedom OF religion means that I can choose my form of religion. Freedom FROM religion could easily be construed as banning any religion in your vicinity. THAT YOU DON'T HAVE.
KS

 

[fossten]

Seems everyone is ignoring this fact:



If he was "standing by the building" praying out loud, he was engaged in "oral protest" and violated the 50 foot rule of the law.

Nobody's "rights" were infringed upon, he's free to pray in public 50 feet or more away from heath care facilities. He was asked to move and he refused. He got what he was asking for, attention and 15 mins of fame. Quit trying to blow this out of proportion, fearmongers.

Once again, the troll shows up and immediately starts calling names. Stay classy, Joanie.

Yeah, arresting somebody when the ordinance doesn't have a jail penalty isn't blowing it out of proportion though, right?

Somebody's thinking with his reptilian brain.

 

[hrmwrm]

How is that obvious?

next time i'll find the sarcasm smiley

 

[hrmwrm]

Yeah, arresting somebody when the ordinance doesn't have a jail penalty isn't blowing it out of proportion though, right?

what would you suggest, a ticket and leave him there?

 

[cammerfe]

I'm not Catholic, and don't know a whole lot about 'The Rosary', but I was completely unaware that it had anything to do with reproduction. Unless reproduction, as offered by this organization, is affected by such prayer, it seems to me to be a serious reach to suggest that he was doing anything that could properly be classed as interfering with their operation.

KS

 

[hrmwrm]

I'm not Catholic, and don't know a whole lot about 'The Rosary', but I was completely unaware that it had anything to do with reproduction. Unless reproduction, as offered by this organization, is affected by such prayer, it seems to me to be a serious reach to suggest that he was doing anything that could properly be classed as interfering with their operation.

was he homeless? his church blown up in a terrorist attack?
what was his purpose of picking this particular spot to pray?
don't play stupid.

"I tried to talk to the officer first and explain that the building doesn't have an 8-foot bubble

funny choice of words. he was testing the law. he failed. but there are those who will make a martyr out of anyone.

 

[shagdrum]

next time i'll find the sarcasm smiley

So...you can't explain it. got it.

 

[shagdrum]

was he homeless? his church blown up in a terrorist attack?
what was his purpose of picking this particular spot to pray?
don't play stupid.



funny choice of words. he was testing the law. he failed. but there are those who will make a martyr out of anyone.

There are a lot of assumption you are implicitly making in that.

 

[fossten]

what would you suggest, a ticket and leave him there?

You're telling me there aren't any other real criminals in Chicago that he could be out there catching?

 

[cammerfe]

was he homeless? his church blown up in a terrorist attack?
what was his purpose of picking this particular spot to pray?
don't play stupid.

I wasn't aware that anyone needed permission to pray at any particular time or place.

KS

 

[hrmwrm]

So...you can't explain it. got it.

explain what. that he wasn't arrested for walking on the sidewalk?

 

[hrmwrm]

You're telling me there aren't any other real criminals in Chicago that he could be out there catching?

by "he" i assume you mean them(the police), and they were called there.
it's not like they left the scene of a murder to field the complaint.

 

[hrmwrm]

I wasn't aware that anyone needed permission to pray at any particular time or place.

doesn't exactly sound like he was praying FOR the goodwill of the people entering.
he thought he was being smart, and finding a way to protest in front of the building without breaking a law. he supposed wrong.

 

[fossten]

by "he" i assume you mean them(the police), and they were called there.
it's not like they left the scene of a murder to field the complaint.

Actually, police have a scrolling list of calls to take. You're telling me they don't have enough crime in Chicago that they had to go arrest this guy instead?

 

[shagdrum]

explain what. that he wasn't arrested for walking on the sidewalk?

So, why was he arrested? The charge given does not warrant an arrest, only a fine.

 

[fossten]

doesn't exactly sound like he was praying FOR the goodwill of the people entering.

I wasn't aware that you got to decide the topic and demeanor of people's prayers.

Did you ever think they might be praying for the goodwill and survival of the babies about to have their brains sucked out?

 

[hrmwrm]

So, why was he arrested? The charge given does not warrant an arrest, only a fine.

well, if he moved 50' away, i'm sure he wouldn't even of been fined.
since he was harrasing people and wouldn't move, what do you expect?

Did you ever think they might be praying for the goodwill and survival of the babies about to have their brains sucked out?

once again, where was abortion mentioned?

I wasn't aware that you got to decide the topic and demeanor of people's prayers.

where did i say i do?

Actually, police have a scrolling list of calls to take. You're telling me they don't have enough crime in Chicago that they had to go arrest this guy instead?

so, they're NOT supposed to show for some is what you're implying?

 

[shagdrum]

well, if he moved 50' away, i'm sure he wouldn't even of been fined.

Dodging already? I thought you could do better then that...

 

[04SCTLS]

once again, where was abortion mentioned?

It was mentioned by him praying in front of a place where abortions are provided.
If it wasn't for that and he was praying for something else ie extending the Bush tax cuts or Gay Marraige or something well he could do that anywhere instead of in front of a clinic.

It falls under the thing speaks for itself.

Of course maybe this is the only way he could figure out how to meet girls

 

[fossten]

where did i say i do?

Me:

I wasn't aware that anyone needed permission to pray at any particular time or place.

You:

doesn't exactly sound like he was praying FOR the goodwill of the people entering.

This was in DIRECT RESPONSE to my comment, thus implying that the content of the prayer matters in context of getting permission. Since you're the only one who said 'praying for the goodwill', it's obvious that you believe you get to decide that.

Are you going to backtrack now, and say that you didn't mean it that way?

so, they're NOT supposed to show for some is what you're implying?

Nope. But thanks for playing "Who's Obtuse Today?"

 

[shagdrum]

It was mentioned by him praying in front of a place where abortions are provided.

He wasn't praying any old prayer. The rosary is a very specific prayer. Does that prayer have anything to do with abortion?