Racist Nazi runs as a Republican on hate filled platform

[Calabrio]

...let's identify the thread for what it is.

04SCTLS is just busting balls.
Once he "begrudgingly" agrees to any one point, he's smilingly make up another silly reason to keep the thread going and poke with a stick. There's no resolution because he doesnt give a crap, he just wants to get a reaction.

And I don't think there's any interest in discussing the concepts and differences of classical liberalism, socialism, German Nazism, and American Nazism.

But to take this in a serious direction.
And this isn't something I'm accusing 04SCTLS of, I don't think he gives a crap.

But the continued effort to link Republicans/conservatives/libertarians/tea party groups with racism, despite there is no systemic racism to speak of.

This story was published in the NY Daily News, the paper owned by Mort Zuckerman. It has a very hard left-wing slant to it.

But there's clearly a political campaign taking place by the left to paint all of their opposition as "racist." Look at how they are treating Arizona. Look at the way they misrepresent the Tea Parties, despite the fact some of the most popular speakers are black.

The NAACP denounces the "racist" elements this week. And even ridiculous stories like this where I guy simply avoids having to get a petition signed, so he pays to enter the Republican primary.

And the dumbest thing I keep hearing is from conservative people saying, "Well, if the NAACP is condemning the tea parties, why didn't they condemn the black panthers?"

Who ever asks this has just fallen into the trap.
They have just, unknowingly, established a moral equivalence between the two groups while NONE exists.

There's a concerted effort being made to divide this country. Race is one of the dividing lines being exploited. It's really an evil thing to do. This isn't a racist country. We aren't racist people. And the consequences, be they unintentional or not, of dividing the country along those lines are serious.

 

[04SCTLS]

Look, you get an 'A' for effort here, but you're not successful in painting conservatives as racists. I'm not a racist. I don't believe that the United States was intended only for European whites.

Coming from you I'll consider that a compliment.

You have it backwards though.
I'm not painting conservatives as racists just pointing out that nazis and racists identify themselves as conservatives, which is a huge distinction.

And like I said before it's ironic painting Obama with nazis when the nazis profess to being some kind of conservatives (in their minds)

 

[fossten]

Coming from you I'll consider that a compliment.

You have it backwards though.
I'm not painting conservatives as racists just pointing out that nazis and racists identify themselves as conservatives, which is a huge distinction.

And like I said before it's ironic painting Obama with nazis when the nazis profess to being some kind of conservatives (in their minds)

That's because they're ignorant. They take only the racist features of the Nazi party and forsake the National Socialist parts.

I'll give you another analogy: Lucifer tried quoting scripture to Jesus once, and Jesus told him to get out of His way. Lucifer will still burn in hell.

Also, as Bryan pointed out, it's very possible that this is a Democrat posing as a Republican in order to smear conservatives. I'd give it at least a 50% chance of likelihood given the LaRouches showing up at Tea Party rallies.

 

[04SCTLS]

04SCTLS is just busting balls.
Once he "begrudgingly" agrees to any one point, he's smilingly make up another silly reason to keep the thread going and poke with a stick. There's no resolution because he doesnt give a crap, he just wants to get a reaction.

I haven't seen you post anything provocative and interesting to talk about recently.

I try to keep things lively.

 

[fossten]

I haven't seen you post anything provocative and interesting to talk about recently.

I try to keep things lively.

I see your point, but your provocative posts tend to be slanted left. If you're just trying to 'keep things lively,' then I expect a little intellectual honesty in return. If you're just 'effing' with people, expect to get smacked around for it a little.

Contention has its limits. I've been spending more time at the car forum lately just because it's more friendly.

 

[04SCTLS]

I see your point, but your provocative posts tend to be slanted left. If you're just trying to 'keep things lively,' then I expect a little intellectual honesty in return. If you're just 'effing' with people, expect to get smacked around for it a little.

Contention has its limits. I've been spending more time at the car forum lately just because it's more friendly.

Well you shag and Cal are slanted right so I have to approach this slanted left if I want a lively discussion.

It would be pretty dull if we just patted ourselves on the back and said "here here"

This way I can see you and shag giving off some steam

 

[fossten]

Well you shag and Cal are slanted right so I have to approach this slanted left if I want a lively discussion.

It would be pretty dull if we just patted ourselves on the back and said "here here"

This way I can see you and shag giving off some steam

You can play devil's advocate without being intellectually dishonest or abnormally annoying. If your only purpose in posting is to manipulate others then you'll find yourself ignored or smacked around a lot. Just don't cry 'foul' when that happens.

 

[04SCTLS]

You can play devil's advocate without being intellectually dishonest or abnormally annoying. If your only purpose in posting is to manipulate others then you'll find yourself ignored or smacked around a lot. Just don't cry 'foul' when that happens.

I post stuff I find interesting/amusing/provocative

There's an element of sport here.

I've been jousting with you guys for over 3 years now and expect to get smacked around.

Shag is more unflappable and pedantic (my eyes can glaze over although he's started highlighting) you're more reactive and a little more spirited and opinionated (if provoked )
I'm thick skinned and will not be crying foul whatever you may say even down to calling me names

In fact I can enjoy a clever putdown if you come up with one

 

[shagdrum]

I post stuff I find interesting/amusing/provocative

So your goal is to provoke. Good to know...

 

[04SCTLS]

So your goal is to provoke. Good to know...

Sometimes I like to provoke but not as an overiding goal.

This is a forum for fun where clever men carry on interesting conversations.

It can be like playing chess.

I used to beat old men when I was 12.

What do you get out of this place.

 

[FIND]

Here's what the article says -

The article says A3P supports Murdough, but it doesn't say that Murdough calls himself a conservative - nor does it say that Edwards calls himself a conservative - only that he promotes certain ideals. Promoting something isn't the same as identifying yourself with it. Example - Republicans who vote for Obamacare. So-called "blue dog" Democrats.

Look, you get an 'A' for effort here, but you're not successful in painting conservatives as racists. I'm not a racist. I don't believe that the United States was intended only for European whites.

So are you saying that because you are not racist, there must be no racist conservatives? You are missing the point here, as I tried to point out to you already. People who claim an ideal give others with a similar sounding ideal a bad name. Much like socialists who claim to be liberal democrats. It just breeds confusion and creates a situation where people become irrational in their judgment.

 

[04SCTLS]

None of the racists call themselves democrats.

Environental and animal extremists on the other hand
would never call themselves conservatives.

The Republicans should at least tighten up their rules to avoid these
hapless confusing situations from developing in the first place.

 

[fossten]

None of the racists call themselves democrats.

Environental and animal extremists on the other hand
would never call themselves conservatives.

The Republicans should at least tighten up their rules to avoid these
hapless confusing situations from developing in the first place.

None? Are you sure about that? Ever hear of Robert KKK Byrd?

You keep stepping into that bear trap despite knowing it's there.

Let me introduce a new premise and thus a new possibility, ok?

1. Media/leftists wish to discredit conservatives
2. Media/leftists introduce racist accusation to smear conservatives
3. True racist nazis hear that conservatives are racist
4. Racist nazis think they have found a common ally given media reports and leftist attacks, and join up with conservatives
5. Result: Media/leftists prophecy is fulfilled thanks to speculation on their part.

It's just like the premise brought up by Martin Bishop in Sneakers:

Cosmo: Posit: People think a bank might be financially shaky.
Martin Bishop: Consequence: People start to withdraw their money.
Cosmo: Result: Pretty soon it is financially shaky.
Martin Bishop: Conclusion: You can make banks fail.

 

[04SCTLS]

None? Are you sure about that? Ever hear of Robert KKK Byrd?

You keep stepping into that bear trap despite knowing it's there.

Let me introduce a new premise and thus a new possibility, ok?

1. Media/leftists wish to discredit conservatives
2. Media/leftists introduce racist accusation to smear conservatives
3. True racist nazis hear that conservatives are racist
4. Racist nazis think they have found a common ally given media reports and leftist attacks, and join up with conservatives
5. Result: Media/leftists prophecy is fulfilled thanks to speculation on their part.

It's just like the premise brought up by Martin Bishop in Sneakers:

Byrd is dead along with Thurmon.
They're in the past.
We discussed this earlier when I said Touche!
I was refering to the current racists like I said earlier.
The nazi racists share some of the benign views of conservatives
and not so much the democrats.

You're theory is conspirational and you are a proud conspiracist.

It still would be good to have better rules about who can run as a republican

 

[fossten]

Got news for ya - no political party does more to keep the black man down than the Democrat party. Keep them poor, urbanized, fatherless, and dependent on government, and yet convince them that the Democrat party is the only party that cares. It's the worst subjugation of a race since slavery.

 

[04SCTLS]

Got news for ya - no political party does more to keep the black man down than the Democrat party. Keep them poor, urbanized, fatherless, and dependent on government, and yet convince them that the Democrat party is the only party that cares. It's the worst subjugation of a race since slavery.

This may well be but then it is certainly more clever and effective than the overt racism of the current extremists.

And despite your contention I don't see any great exodus of African Americans moving back to Africa for a better less racist life.

 

[shagdrum]

The nazi racists share some of the benign views of conservatives

Such as...

 

[04SCTLS]

Such as...

Opposition to gay marraige would fall under cultural conservatism as they refer to themselves.

 

[shagdrum]

Opposition to gay marraige would fall under cultural conservatism as they refer to themselves.

Most of the country opposes gay marriage. That is like arguing that the Nazi are against monarchies and so are conservatives so they are similar.

Do you have an specific examples that rise beyond transparent attempts at cherry picking?

 

[FIND]

Most of the country opposes gay marriage.

Not true. If you can dig up one unbiased poll that says otherwise, I would be shocked and amazed.

 

[shagdrum]

Not true. If you can dig up one unbiased poll that says otherwise, I would be shocked and amazed.

The actual voting serves as the best polling. Look at the referendums across the country concerning gay marriage.

 

[FIND]

The actual voting serves as the best polling. Look at the referendums across the country concerning gay marriage.

Ok, why don't you go ahead and see what you can really pull up in recent years where gay marriage was put to a vote?

Honestly, it appears to me there are equal margins for and against it in this country, and there is a majority that is indifferent.

 

[shagdrum]

Ok, why don't you go ahead and see what you can really pull up in recent years where gay marriage was put to a vote?

Nope. Instead of just picking at others maybe you could put a little initiative in understanding opposing points of view. It isn't like that information is at all hard to find. Heck, coverage of the vote and political fallout from it in California has been rather consistently in the news.

It is not my job to cure your ignorance. However, any claim you make to the intellectual high ground is invalid when you are utterly ignorant of the points of view you are attempting to rebut and are unwilling to put any effort into understanding them.

 

[fossten]

This may well be but then it is certainly more clever and effective than the overt racism of the current extremists.

Oh, well I'm glad you found a way to praise it.

By the way, how about Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Obama's mentor for 20 years? How about Van Jones, who was appointed by Obama to be one of his Czars?

How about these notables:

Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."

-Senator Hillary Clinton

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him."

-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape

"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"

-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace, CBS News

"You f*cking Jew b@stard." -- Hillary Clinton

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." -- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002

'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.

"Jews — that's J-E-W-S." -- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election

"The old white boys got taken fair and square." -- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election

The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years." -- Louis Farrakhan

"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders." -- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." --Joe Biden on Barack Obama

 

[fossten]

Opposition to gay marraige would fall under cultural conservatism as they refer to themselves.

Obama opposes gay marriage.