Remember when Obama said '57' states
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Nope! He's a cyborg sent from the future. Oh, wait, that's the governor of California.:lol:
MonsterMark
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WOW! This is great! Three supposedly intelligent individuals are going to roll the dice and hope that Obama doesn't win by tossing their vote away on a non-factor.
Congratulations guys. You'll get what you deserve.
The time to vote principles is during the primary. The actual vote for President is too important to toss away by allowing the worst of the two evils to win.
I just don't get it. Nothing but a bunch of Ross Perot type voters here. Guess you guys learn nothing from history.
MonsterMark
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Explain to me how Obama traveled to Pakistan as a student in 1981 (which was closed to travel for US citizens) if he didn't use his Indonesian passport?
He has held two citizenships which according to Article II of the US Constitution (which you claim Bush has raped and pillaged) disqualifies him. So if the Constitution and what it stands for is so important to you, I'm sure you'll have no problem with Obama being disqualified for POTUS due to issues that arise from dual-citizenship. In particular, divided loyalities.
I'm not willing to take the chance that he might turn out to be one. There is one person in the United States who we should know everything about and where they are coming from and not have to take a flyer on due to unanswered questions. That person is the POTUS. End of story.
ALL I want to see is his actual Birth Certificate which he claims he has or a certified COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) from the State of Hawaii with a valid certificate number.
ALL you people should be ashamed for not being OUTRAGED that we have a guy running for PRESIDENT who can't even produce a document that an ordinary citizen would need to get health insurance or join a sport team.
America is F'd with all you people willing to be lambs lead to the slaughter. A pock on all of you.
WOW! This is great! Three supposedly intelligent individuals are going to roll the dice and hope that Obama doesn't win by tossing their vote away on a non-factor.
Congratulations guys. You'll get what you deserve.
The time to vote principles is during the primary. The actual vote for President is too important to toss away by allowing the worst of the two evils to win.
I just don't get it. Nothing but a bunch of Ross Perot type voters here. Guess you guys learn nothing from history.
Well, like I said, Kansas is a lock for McCain. If the popular vote is what elected a president, I would vote for McCain. Since it is an electoral college, one vote in Kansas is not going to sway the election. If I were in a swing state like Florida or Ohio, I would vote for McCain.
Keep this fact in mind:
Historically, Kansas has been strongly Republican. In fact, the only non-Republicans Kansas has given its electoral vote to are Populist James Weaver and Democrats Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson. In 2004, George W. Bush won the state's 6 electoral votes by an overwhelming margin of 25 percentage points with 62% of the vote. The only two counties to support Democrat John Kerry in that election were Wyandotte, which contains Kansas City, and Douglas, home to the University of Kansas, located at Lawrence.
TommyB has pretty well said the same thing (geographical location allowing him the luxury to vote on a purely ideological basis). I don't know about Kentucky (where Fossten comes from), but I would imagine similar.
Voting purely on ideological grounds for president is a luxury I can afford due to where I live. How is my vote in Kansas going to make a difference in the general election? If you can give me a solid argument that there is a realistic possibility that my vote in Kansas will effect the general election for POTUS, I will vote for McCain.
Marcus
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I can't find any verification on whether Americans could or could not travel to Pakistan in 1981, but for the sake of argument, I'll take your word for it (the claims of it being closed to non-Muslims is much more dubious and I require some evidence). In any case, the point is moot, because once outside the US, you're only under the restrictions in effect for the country you're currently in. That's how people get around the US-Cuba travel restrictions. So Obama could have easily used his US passport to travel from Indonesia to Pakistan. He didn't need an Indonesian passport, even if he had one.
As for what he did while in Pakistan, you dismiss the possibility that he was there for exactly the reasons he stated, without any evidence to the contrary except your preconceived notions that he's a closet jihadist. He says he went there with a friend to meet his friend's family, not go on a sightseeing tour. Sounds plausible to me. But then I live on Earth.
You claim he had dual citizenship like it's a known fact, when in fact there is zero evidence that he ever has. You're having to make this stuff up because you need it to be true for your conspiracy to work. Since it is physically impossible to prove that he does NOT have dual citizenship, you can go on making these claims with seeming impunity. But guess what? The onus is on YOU to prove your claim, not Obama to prove otherwise.
Was John McCain brainwashed while in captivity and programmed to bring communism to America once in power? I'm not willing to take the chance that he won't.
Sometimes the questions are too ludicrous to even answer. You aren't owed answers to every ridiculous question you pose. Get over yourself.
Jeez, back to the birth certificate, the myth that won't die.... Didn't you just post a link a few days ago showing the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper?
Get it through your head: Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1962, making him a natural born citizen. End of story.
The fact that he won't provide YOU and your cohorts with your own notarized copy, personally delivered by Hawaii's Secretary of State to your doorstep is all that keeps your little Obama Haters Club going.
And admit it: Even if the Obama campaign produced the original birth certificate for the world to see, your band of armchair imaging experts would manage to find some reason to claim that it's a fake. So why the hell should they give you the time of day?
America is probably F'd no matter who wins the election.
fossten
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Correct...
but therefore...
Obama likely isn't "enough of a muslim" to try to reshape America into a Sharia-dominated nation during his presidency. But with the support of the National Socialist Democrat Party, he is very likely to try to shape America into a socialist nation. I believe no man can completely obfuscate the truth about himself. What he's let show is Marxism through and through. I've seen nothing that shows muslim beliefs except for Bryan's kooky digging into the Manchurian past.
fossten
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Bryan, you should know better than this.WOW! This is great! Three supposedly intelligent individuals are going to roll the dice and hope that Obama doesn't win by tossing their vote away on a non-factor.
Congratulations guys. You'll get what you deserve.
The time to vote principles is during the primary. The actual vote for President is too important to toss away by allowing the worst of the two evils to win.
I just don't get it. Nothing but a bunch of Ross Perot type voters here. Guess you guys learn nothing from history.
Doesn't this fact that you're whining about beg the question "Why?" It should be alarming to you that (probably) so many people who would likely vote Republican are spurning the party this time. Wonder why that is? Are we all just a bunch of selfish jerks? Or could it be the unsatisfactory candidate? Did you ever consider that possibility? We all understand the risk that Obama may be elected, and we're still uncertain? Perhaps the lesser of two evils isn't really that lesser, did you ever consider that? Probably not, but then again, looking at all sides of an issue isn't your strong suit, is it?
My vote didn't count during the primaries, because McCain was already "selected" before they came around for Kentucky. I mentioned this before, and I didn't hear word one of sympathy or understanding from you on the subject. You were too busy calling Ron Paul names, and by extension, me.
Interesting the Ross Perot canard. So we had 8 years of Clinton and...what happened? We turned it around all right! 8 years of Bush the moderate.
You're not impressing me.
MonsterMark
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What I have been railing against is this country's move to socialism. Supporting a candidate with no chance of winning is foolish in my book. That is why I railed on Paul. I agree with many of his proposals but I repeatedly told you of my disagreement with him being the messenger. As proof, take a look at Obama. Everybody worships him right? Yet the guy has the worst message. Appearance matters in Presidential politics, like it or not. I'm sorry, Paul didn't 'Look' presidential. He looked angry and swollen and appearance has a larger impact believe it or not than policy positions in this country when it comes to elections.