Right wing censors come to NBC

Wait a second!!!!! HOLD EVERYTHING!!!!! RaVeneyes, are you saying that you're not prejudging the fact that it was right wing sensors who took Kanye's stupid remarks off air?????? Could it not have been a producer who didn't want to stir up controversy? I'm gathering that from the title of this thread that you think that's not true. Interesting.
 
MAllen82 said:
Wait a second!!!!! HOLD EVERYTHING!!!!! RaVeneyes, are you saying that you're not prejudging the fact that it was right wing sensors who took Kanye's stupid remarks off air?????? Could it not have been a producer who didn't want to stir up controversy? I'm gathering that from the title of this thread that you think that's not true. Interesting.
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Ah HA! See...that's me speaking from the group first perspective. I told you guys I was guilty of it myself from time to time.
 
Since when are there any right wingers in the mainstream media. I thought they were all over at Fox.
 
raVeneyes said:
Ah HA! See...that's me speaking from the group first perspective. I told you guys I was guilty of it myself from time to time.
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Guilty of what? Racism? Or group stereotypes? (Big Difference)
 
fossten said:
Guilty of what? Racism? Or group stereotypes? (Big Difference)
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Do me a favor...re-read everything I've written in this thread so I don't have to keep repeating myself.
 
MonsterMark said:
Aaargh. Like I said. I don't think this is about race. It is about people taking advantage of other people...

Btw, did New Yorkers 'loot' every store within a 2 mile radius of the towers.

Did the people of Homestead Florida loot every store when the hurricane hit there?

To ignore the obvious that there is a significant problem in the African-American community is simply to be burying your head in the dike.
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New York has had looting during emergencies, and had good response to emergency as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3154757.stm

In fact...I think that the article brings up a very much more valid motive to looting than being poor, black, or a 'gangster'. People tend to start acting in a counter culture manner most when they think the government doesn't have a good handle on things. That's very provable and part of sociological theory. Examples are as wide ranging as the Rodney King verdict riots, to the counter culture of the 1960s. When people don't think their government is there for them, they react by creating their own social structure.

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Sure, that was what I was saying. It isn't their "blackness" to get a little Aquinan philosophy going, it is their "gangsterness". Does that suit you well? I think we are arguing away from the same thing, that it isn't because they are black, but I'm not sure what end you are arguing to. That's not a shot either, I just don't know where you are going, just where you came from, you know? Think of it as a club. Anyone can join, unfortunately it's membership as an unbalanced amount of black people in it. You can't deny that fact, whatever reason you want to put on it, you can't deny that fact.
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No matter what name you put to it, it's group first thinking. In a way we are arguing away from the same thing, but you're trying to say it in a different way, where as what I'm arguing towards is the idea that the group doesn't exist.

I deny the idea that there is a disproportionate percentage of blacks that follow the fad/style/ideology of gangster rap. In fact, I can support that denial quite simply with the fact that MTV and pop radio stations wouldn't give gangster rap so much airplay and screen time if it wasn't popular with the key advertising demographic...and that demographic is white males ages 18-25.

I also deny there is a significant problem with the black community. I grew up in a black community. My whole family on my father's side is black and it is the majority of what I grew up knowing as community. Yes there are problem sections just like in the white community. I had a unique opportunity however as I got older I spent much more time in the white community during my tween and teen years. Yes there are black people that feel a sense of entitlement, and black people who feel they are above the law, and black people who are in gangs, and black people who are ignorant, and black people who are poor and uneducated, and black people who are rude, or drug users, or dope dealers, or liars, or cheats...but guess what. There are the same number percentage wise of white people with those problems.

There are problems in all communities and to argue that one group by race is worse than another race *is* racist, or racially biased, or prejudiced, or whatever you want to call it. I have fought this battle so many times, with so many people, and had so many people flat out tell me I'm wrong when their racism is obvious that I must say this will be my last post on the subject. If you disagree with what I've said, that's your opinion, and this is mine. I however like you said will 'call a spade a spade' and if you can't admit to yourself that what you're saying is racially divisive then you'll just hear me pipe up that it is.
 
I however like you said will 'call a spade a spade' and if you can't admit to yourself that what you're saying is racially divisive then you'll just hear me pipe up that it is.
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I already explained the difference between this and being a racist. I don't deny being racially divisive, but I'm not racist. Remember that it is your opinion too, however everything that I stated in my arguments can be backed up with facts. I really don't care about being racially divisive, because it's a natural thing. People all over the world are this way, and it's ok, except when it turns to hate or disdain, and that's when you become a racist. It's funny because even the popular black leaders say there are problems in the black communities, but they blame it on white people. And for you to say that you grew up in a black community and it was ok, then they all must be ok doesn't hold water. Just because I grew up in a white community doesn't mean I know what life in a white filled trailor park is like. You're not calling a spade a spade. You are naming someone based on your opinion. I think that you are a little too quick to pull that card out, and that you live in a fantasy land where race doens't make a diference for anything. That will never be true. And I'm not talking about black people, it goes for everyone. I'd go into more of your points but I honestly don't feel like it. It's not going to change anything with you, no offense.
 
MAllen82 said:
I already explained the difference between this and being a racist. I don't deny being racially divisive, but I'm not racist. Remember that it is your opinion too, however everything that I stated in my arguments can be backed up with facts. I really don't care about being racially divisive, because it's a natural thing. People all over the world are this way, and it's ok, except when it turns to hate or disdain, and that's when you become a racist.
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Ok...point conceded then. You will continue to see race as an issue because that's the way it's always been done and apparently 10,000 wrongs make it right.

It's funny because even the popular black leaders say there are problems in the black communities, but they blame it on white people.
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Key word here is 'communities'. Many black leaders say that there are problem communities, but all black leaders say that the whole of the black community is healthy and functioning well. Also many black leaders blame the problems in those troubled communities on the very people living in them.

And for you to say that you grew up in a black community and it was ok, then they all must be ok doesn't hold water. Just because I grew up in a white community doesn't mean I know what life in a white filled trailor park is like.
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What you're missing and not responding to from my argument is that the whole of the black america is exactly the same as the whole of the white america. Just because there are trailer parks with an inordinately high amount of spousal and child abuse cases, we don't say that "the white community has a problem"...in general we instead say that the person committing the abuse has a problem.

You're not calling a spade a spade. You are naming someone based on your opinion. I think that you are a little too quick to pull that card out, and that you live in a fantasy land where race doens't make a diference for anything. That will never be true. And I'm not talking about black people, it goes for everyone.
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Race does make a difference, but you live in a fantasy land where race controls what people become. I live in a land where race causes people to assume things about other people that aren't true. Race does not make a difference when you look at overall population percentages. There is just as big a trend in the white community for any given thing as there is in the black community.

I'd go into more of your points but I honestly don't feel like it. It's not going to change anything with you, no offense.
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You're probably right...it won't make a difference because while most people have only had to live with being assumed to be one color or race, I've been assumed to be many different colors and races. It affects me on a daily basis as far as how successful I am, and I see daily examples of closeted knee-jerk racism that people don't even realize they commit.
 
raVeneyes said:
Race does make a difference, but you live in a fantasy land where race controls what people become. I live in a land where race causes people to assume things about other people that aren't true. Race does not make a difference when you look at overall population percentages. There is just as big a trend in the white community for any given thing as there is in the black community.



You're probably right...it won't make a difference because while most people have only had to live with being assumed to be one color or race, I've been assumed to be many different colors and races. It affects me on a daily basis as far as how successful I am, and I see daily examples of closeted knee-jerk racism that people don't even realize they commit.
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There you go with that patented "Oh, poor me" crap.

Fine, you can play the part of martyr or racially oppressed victim, but like it or not, it biases you to strike out at people any time they say anything critical of anyone who happens to be of color.

I suspect that you are so overly sensitive to anything that remotely resembles racial overtones or undertones that you immediately make a judgment. It's almost like you're looking for it so you can say, "Aha! Racist!" (points finger like bird dog, jumping up and down) That's exactly what you did to Bryan.

Are you also guilty of prejudice against conservatives, judging them by the group they are in to be racists, instead of on a case-by-case basis? Who can tell? Keep posting, and we will find out.
 
You're probably right...it won't make a difference because while most people have only had to live with being assumed to be one color or race, I've been assumed to be many different colors and races. It affects me on a daily basis as far as how successful I am, and I see daily examples of closeted knee-jerk racism that people don't even realize they commit.
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You should be in chat sometime. You would have heard my stories about how people here think that I'm Jewish, hispanic, middle eastern, I've even gotten hawiian. And that affects me a lot in my life too. I had a women at a former job who was a customer who was actually taken aback when I spoke English to her because she thought I was Mexican. So don't assume that I haven't experienced it in my life either. And for you to continue to say that I think there is a problem with black people shows your ignorance and the fact that you just want to play the race card. Of course, I'm not going to get any further into the "I had a black friend once" or something, because I don't need to prove myself to anyone. I know who I am and what I believe in. Unfortunately, you don't, but you think you do.

Not to mention the fact that if you have any kind of prejudice against anyone, who have no place correcting someone else's. I personally don't care if you're prejudice against me for whatever reason. BUT, not because I'm a "racist". That would like being prejudiced against me because I was handicapped or something.
 
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