Shell Rotella 15W40 Motor Oil

Bye Bye motor.

Should we start a pool to predict the eventually demise of this motor. Winner takes all for the closest mileage guess?:D
 
He say's "no more engine knock..."

It was on it's way out anyway. Just prolonging the inevitable.
 
the rep left you a "cover his ass statement" right in his message.

the 5W and the 10W oils will "reach critical areas" quicker at low temperatures


IF you dont need the oil to "get there quickly" when the temps are very cold..
then you should be fine.

Myself... 10W is as high as I'm gonna run.
My previous 360,000 mile 4.6 still had crosshatch in the cylinder walls when the secondary cam chain tensioner failed.

Then again I live in the deep south, we might have a week of freezing temps in a year

I'll go lighter oil in the winter months.
 
Bye Bye motor.

Should we start a pool to predict the eventually demise of this motor. Winner takes all for the closest mileage guess?:D

You all talk a good talk but where's the (FACTS).All I see is hear say.
I call the local Ford dealer they said I'm ok .
Called my shop they said Ok
E mailed Shell they said ok .
And this is all hear say too no Facts.
 
He say's "no more engine knock..."

It was on it's way out anyway. Just prolonging the inevitable.
Engine knock or rattle ? Then most of you are too. Most say they have timing chain rattle.
If it is a rod or main knock then it needs the heavier oil to make it last longer. when it blows it becomes salvage. The car has 125,000 miles on it and if the Mobil one syn. was doing its job it woun't have a knock or rattle. So maybe we can take a raffle on your motor how long it will last.:)
 
Bye Bye motor.

Should we start a pool to predict the eventually demise of this motor. Winner takes all for the closest mileage guess?:D


You might have a long wait we only put about 6000 miles a year on a car.
We only go to town 6 miles round trip. A trip to the VA hosp. once a month to see my heart doctor.

Maybe you should predict how long my Heart will last that might be easier. The doctor did. He said one year and its been 5 years ago. :)
If your so sure I will give you the car at 250,000 if it blow free.If it don't blow before the 250,000 you will give me $4000.00 for the car.:)
 
You all talk a good talk but where's the (FACTS).All I see is hear say.
I call the local Ford dealer they said I'm ok .
Called my shop they said Ok
E mailed Shell they said ok .
And this is all hear say too no Facts.

There is obviously nothing anyone can say to change your mind. Unfortunately, you have your roles reversed in regards to hearsay. You are just taking the word of professionals, yet they have not given you any facts, just talk.

You think that Shell oil is the best out there based on your opinion. I know that Mobil1 is a better oil, as Kit Sullivan is a guy that does oil for a living and has shared unbiased, third party, reputable studies that show where that motor oil stands...and it is far-and-away better than Shell.

Your argument about using heavier oil in other engines also does not hold any weight. Just because you get away with it on one or two vehicles does not mean it is okay everywhere. You say that your son has a diesel with 1.3 million miles on it using this oil...great! 15W-40 is common oil for diesel! Not for gasoline engines! FACT is that the lighter viscosity oil is needed for these engines, as that is how they are designed. Ford does not recommend an oil arbitrarily, they recommend it because it is the best option for the motor. They certainly do not go through the hassle, and especially the blemish on their reputation, to issue a TSB without solid FACTS to back it up.

As I said, I am sure there is nothing we can do or say to change your mind. Good luck, and I hope you listen to your doctor more than you do to those who designed your vehicles.
 
Engine knock or rattle ? Then most of you are too. Most say they have timing chain rattle.

Um. Most of use do NOT have rattle. But it probably affects a few of us here, the solution is an anti-drain back filter not changing oil to something that will not properly lubricate the engine.

But its your engine so do with as you see fit! Heck my Honda with 235k ran without oil but I did not car about that car, the Mark I do!
 
NO FACTS?? what Ford dealerships service center goes against Fords TSB? goes against the engineers that designed the engine? What do you think the manufactures of the oil are going to tell you? no don't by are oil! Does your shop deal with just DOHC 4.6L Mod motors?
Don't take me the wrong way, what I am saying is there is a reason for the use of 5W20 and 30 oil in these engines. As longevity of the engines became a concern engineers built with tighter tolerances, tighter tolerances mean lighter oil at cold engine start up to flow properly. I.E. I have a 2000 Town car with 196K miles on it I had a slight rattle at start up I put in 20W50 and it got worse I ran 10W 30 synth before. I switched to 5W20 and no more rattle and I live in southern Florida.
If your motor has loose bearings allot of wear ect. using heavier weight oil wont hurt, but I had a few of these motors apart with 150K plus mile and they were still factory spec!
A lot of these motors with proper service will make 300K miles, so ever wounder why so many hit the junk yards with only 100K??
 
Hey this forum could get boring. You need guys like me to keep your blood pressure up. As you can see I love to argue.
Take care my friends And God Bless You all. Danny
 
You might have a long wait we only put about 6000 miles a year on a car.
.:)

You said you got 70K out of a van with a 5.4 and you only put 6K a year on the mark 8?

you should change the title of your post to..

I put rotella in my vehicles while they are parked for most of the year(grins)
 
It will probably clean your motor better than gasoline engine oil.

Gasoline engine oil ???:confused:

Several years ago We use to race dirt track 283 chev. powerglide keep tearing the trans. up about once a month. The trans. man said run 90 W gear lub in the automatic trans. I thought he was craze but he would warrant it.So we did and Never tore up another Automatic. I don't mean go out and put 90W in your car but it worked for us.:)
 
Quote from another forum.Thanks to 95 cont.

Here is one ball in your court, the Ford GT with the supercharged 5.4L modular engine uses 5W50. They say it has similar heads to the mustang SVT cobra R, a modular derivative. Still the cold startup number is very low.:D
 
Quote from another forum.Thanks to 95 cont.

Here is one ball in your court, the Ford GT with the supercharged 5.4L modular engine uses 5W50. They say it has similar heads to the mustang SVT cobra R, a modular derivative. Still the cold startup number is very low.:D

How about we stop comparing similar engines and compare the same.

Its not about the cranks and crap, its about the tolerances used. The 4.6L is a very tight engine, the 5.4L is not by design.
 
youre getting higher pressure at the sender but do you know how much oil is actually reaching your bearings and head?

seeing how the lifters would tick with regualr 5w30 and they dont with the rotella, its clear they are getting plenty of oil.
 
You all talk a good talk but where's the (FACTS).All I see is hear say.
I call the local Ford dealer they said I'm ok .
Called my shop they said Ok
E mailed Shell they said ok .
And this is all hear say too no Facts.

Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. I had a meeting with attorneys this morning that ran into the late afternoon. Funny thing is, it was about motor oil. We happen to be working with one of the largest oil terminals in the United States for distribution rights for ingredients for our oil additives. Not saying I am an expert but we do sell a whole heck of a lot of oil for very expensive motors, so it pays for us to know a little bit about what we are discussing here.

The engine in the Lincoln MarkVIII is part of Ford's modular family of OverHead Cam Motors. These happen to be interference engines, ie: built to some extremely tight tolerances. Ford recommended the 5W30, and now the 5W20 oils not only for emission purposes, ie: less oil buring in the combustion chamber and going out the exhaust pipe, but also for longevity.

Putting 15W40 into an interference engine is like putting in a shake where water should be. The oil is pumped up through the timing chains which fill out the tensioners, the balance of the oil feeds thru the center of the cams which have extremely tight tolerances. Basically the cams run on the thin layer of oil and that's it.

If any of the oil galleries plug up with the sludge you are using, chances are you are going to shear some timing gears.

And the guy that posted

Timing chain rattle is due to tensioner oil leak down, obviously the thicker oil will take longer to drain back, hence less rattle.

And there is your reason for your reduction in the rattle. The thick crap takes longer to drain out. But you are creating other problems that obviously will take at least some time to manifest.

rotella is GREAT oil. i run it in all my cars now. dont be alarmed when it gets really dark, its supposed to do that.

And this guy is a little misinformed. Ever turn the oil in the drying pan up too high? What happens? Oil turns black. Same in an engine. Oil turning black means it is breaking down. It has reached its 'shear' point. The oil is basically crap at that point. Not a good thing. Half the oils sold nowadays have moly and teflon in them. The moly turns to grit and the teflon turns black.

What does your oil look like when you change it out? Run a magnet thru the oil and see how many filings you collect. Everytime you start that engine cold, it takes that much longer for the oil to get into the cam passages. More wear.

You need the thin oil to flush the passages of debris and dirt. What you are doing with the heavy stuff is a slow death. And if you should happen to plug an oil passage, you will experience a sudden suicide. It will be interesting should you ever decide to pull the valve covers. I bet they will be coated with a black goo. I recently pulled a pair on a long term test we conducted that were clean like they just came out of the factory.

Listen, you might be fine for a while with what you are doing but the motor will defintely not last as long as if you were using the proper weight oil. What are your head temps with the new heavier oil? What are the oil temps? Those numbers will tell you more about what is happening in that motor than anything Shell is going to tell you on the phone.

Not to change the subject, but 94M5 asked about a powerstroke. Why does a 7.3L diesel motor have a 14 qt oil capacity versus a 6 qt capacity in a gas engine and how many rpms do the 2 motors turn? Answering that question will lead you to why you should not be using a 15W40 in this motor.

Just my 2cents worth. :D
 
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i run 80w90 so the car wont burn as much oil.... i figured if it worked in my 66 mustang toploader 4speed, it should do just fine in my mark viii.

:)
 
Monster Mark
Thank you you made more sense . Oil will be removed from all my cars at oil changing time. :) even my 88 tc my jeep and the e-150.Now what non syn. oil do you suggest? :confused:
 
even my 88 tc my jeep and the e-150.
I'd have to look up the specs on those vehicles. Know nothing about the Jeep. What motor/year is in the E-150?

All I'm saying about the Lincoln is you are probably doing more harm (15w40) than good (5w20/30) so why stick with that philosophy?
 
I'd have to look up the specs on those vehicles. Know nothing about the Jeep. What motor/year is in the E-150?

All I'm saying about the Lincoln is you are probably doing more harm (15w40) than good (5w20/30) so why stick with that philosophy?
jeep 96 4.0 inline 6
van is a 5.4 98 model. Tc is a 5.0 thank you for the trouble. Danny
 
monster mike

conserning the oil getting black, deisel oil is very high detergent, thats why it gets black. wash something dirty with plain water, then with soap and water, which water is dirtier afterwards?

people in the performance world have been usuing deisel oil for years, show me 1 failure because of it.
 

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