Should cannabis sativa remain illegal? Why?

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HOW DANGEROUS IS MARIJUANA
COMPARED WITH OTHER SUBSTANCES?
Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports.
TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000
ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders) 150,000+
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose) 180 to 1,000+
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.) 1,000 to 10,000
"LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol 14,000 to 27,000
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200
MARIJUANA 0
(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.).


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988

Section 8 of Judge Young's "Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision."

Page 56 & 57 http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/MEDICAL/YOUNG/young

3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.


Why does the government want this to be illegal?



Marijuana cultivation began in the United States around 1600 with the Jamestown settlers, who began growing the cannabis sativa or hemp plant for its unusually strong fiber that was used to make rope, sails, and clothing. Until after the Civil War, marijuana was a source of major revenue for the United States. During the 19th century marijuana plantations flourished in Mississippi, Georgia, California, South Carolina, Nebraska, New York, and Kentucky. Also during this period, smoking hashish, a stronger preparation of marijuana derived from the dried resin of the plant, was popular throughout France and to a lesser degree in the US.

So at one time it was unAmerican to not grow cannabis.

Between 1850 and 1937 marijuana was widely used throughout United States as a medicinal drug and could easily be purchased in pharmacies and general stores. Recreational use was limited in the US until after the Mexican Revolution of 1910, when an influx of Mexican immigrants introduced the habit.

Uhoh, you know how Americans dont like Mexicans.

The Volstead Act of 1920, which raised the price of alcohol in the United States, positioned marijuana as an attractive alternative and led to an increase in use of the drug. "Tea pads," where a person could purchase marijuana for 25 cents or less, began appearing in cities across the United States, particularly as part of the black "hepster" jazz culture.

Uhoh, and the blacks too.

By 1930 it was reported that there were at least 500 of these "tea pads" in New York City alone. During the Great Depression as unemployment increased, resentment and fear of the Mexican immigrants became connected to marijuana use. Numerous research studies linked marijuana use by lower class communities with crime and violence. In 1937, Congress passed the Marijuana Tax Act which criminalized the drug. From 1951 to 1956 stricter sentencing laws set mandatory minimum sentences for drug-related offenses. In the 1950s the beatniks appropriated the use of marijuana from the black hepsters and the drug moved into middle-class white America in the 1960s.
The increasing use of marijuana by mainstream white Americans helped lead to the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970, under which mandatory penalties for drug offenses were repealed by Congress and marijuana was categorized separately from other narcotics. The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) was founded the same year.
In the late 1970s, President Carter’s administration, including his assistant for drug policy, Dr. Peter Bourne, pushed for decriminalization of marijuana, with the president himself asking Congress to abolish federal criminal penalties for those caught with less than one ounce of marijuana. A grassroots parents’ movement responded by lobbying for stricter regulations and was instrumental in changing public attitudes.

Grassroots

In 1986, President Reagan signed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, reinstating mandatory minimums and raising federal penalties for possession and distribution.

(Just Say No)

In 1996, California enacted Proposition 215, which legalized medical marijuana use for people suffering from AIDS, cancer, and other serious illnesses and a similar bill was passed in Arizona the same year.
Current domestic marijuana cultivation trends are towards indoor production due to law enforcement efforts to curtail outdoor cultivation. The majority of foreign marijuana is supplied by trafficking organizations in Mexico, although countries in the Far East, such as Thailand and Cambodia, also supply the United States.
 
Based on current prison population counts, we estimate that there are 27,900 persons in state and federal prison serving a sentence for which a marijuana violation is the controlling (or most serious) offense.[67] This translates to a national estimated loss of more than $600 million per year.[68]

Why? Why does our nation waste so much? What does our government have against a plant that has never harmed anyone.
 
I guess in reality they should allow it to be grown here in the United States instead of 3rd world countries with terrorists supplying it, only allow its growth in government supervised areas, and tax the living #### out of it. They should also consider it the same as a DUI if caught driving with it or presumed to be under the influence of it. And no, I don't smoke pot.
 
they figure its too easy to grow at home, so the big businesses wont make any money, and not enough will be sold to make enough tax money. You better believe tobacco companies would be hurting if Mary Jane was legalized.
 
While we're on the subject of the ATF, it bears mentioning that over 6,000 Americans remain in federal prison because a piece of wood was too short on the stock of a gun, or they owned a piece of pipe or rubber washer that they didn't pay a $200 tax on.
 
While we're on the subject of the ATF, it bears mentioning that over 6,000 Americans remain in federal prison because a piece of wood was too short on the stock of a gun, or they owned a piece of pipe or rubber washer that they didn't pay a $200 tax on.


a piece of pipe? rubber washer? what are you referring to?
 
I guess in reality they should allow it to be grown here in the United States instead of 3rd world countries with terrorists supplying it, only allow its growth in government supervised areas, and tax the living #### out of it. They should also consider it the same as a DUI if caught driving with it or presumed to be under the influence of it. And no, I don't smoke pot.


Maybe not driving with it, how are you going to get it from the store to the home? But smoking a joint while driving yes, that should be DUI.
 
a piece of pipe? rubber washer? what are you referring to?

Basically, he's referring to NFA or as they are less known as, Title II weapons - full automatics and cans (Noise supressors to the civies)... hell, read below.

I know all this stuff, but it's easier to copy and paste:

Title II weapons are defined as all sound suppressors or silencers, all machine guns, all rifles with a barrel length less than 16 inches (406 mm) (SBR) and shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches (457 mm) (SBS), shoulder fired weapons with an overall length less than 26 inches (660 mm),

The NFA Act was passed after the repeal of Prohibition, and it mandates that transfers of the covered firearms across state lines be reported to the United States Department of the Treasury (this function has since been transferred to the Justice Department). The transfer tax of $200 placed on the transfer of firearms controlled by the Act was roughly equivalent to five months' salary in 1934.
 
I say keep that junk illegal. I don't need it and nobody else does, either.

"Every time we pick up a youngster who's dropping acid, 9 times out of 10 he's holding marijuana. I judge weed by the company it keeps."

- Sgt. Joe Friday, Dragnet
 
i say keep it illegal too. if it were legalized a lot of people would probably stop using it; on the same hand, though, there would still be people who would keep using it. you shouldn't be able to get in trouble for it if you don't have any on you, and if you have, say over 1 ounce, that should be the only time you start getting in trouble. anything less than 1 ounce would only be confiscated. as for growing it..if you are caught growing 1 plant, only that 1 plant should be confiscated unless there are 2 or more plants, than further action should be handled accordingly.
as for your career and whether or not they drug test you is up to them, i don't feel they should not be allowed to give drug tests.
 
i say keep it illegal too. if it were legalized a lot of people would probably stop using it; on the same hand, though, there would still be people who would keep using it. you shouldn't be able to get in trouble for it if you don't have any on you, and if you have, say over 1 ounce, that should be the only time you start getting in trouble. anything less than 1 ounce would only be confiscated. as for growing it..if you are caught growing 1 plant, only that 1 plant should be confiscated unless there are 2 or more plants, than further action should be handled accordingly.
as for your career and whether or not they drug test you is up to them, i don't feel they should not be allowed to give drug tests.

I feel if it is legalized that MORE people would use it. Alot of peoples excuse for not using marijuana is its illegal. I know alot of people that would smoke it if it were legal. If its illegal its illegal wether you have 1 plant or 20 plants or wether you have say 1 joint or 30 joints either way its illegal. My personal opion legalize. I look at it as it is no different than alcohol maybe a little better than alcohol. When you high on weed you don't stumble around like a drunk or make obscene jestures just my personal opinion
 
I look at it as it is no different than alcohol maybe a little better than alcohol. When you high on weed you don't stumble around like a drunk or make obscene jestures just my personal opinion


You speaking from personal experience? :D
 
I look at it as it is no different than alcohol maybe a little better than alcohol. When you high on weed you don't stumble around like a drunk or make obscene jestures just my personal opinion

yea and wen ur girl (pursay) comes home and tells u she slept with som other dude cuz she was high u kno its bull:q:q:q:q
 
If it were ever legalized, I would be concerned about regulation of its use in public. A LOT of people won't stand for any allowance of public usage, I'm sure.

1.) It smells horrid to the non-smokers.
2.) Anyone within second-hand breathing range can be effected almost as much as if they were smoking it themselves.

We already have enough problems with second-hand smoke related to cigarette usage. Fortunately, the only (immediate) effect that has on people is the experience of an unpleasant scent and possibly the "contamination" of their clothes. (Of course, this is assuming that the person inhaling the smoke doesn't have a medical condition that could be aggravated by it.)

Aside from that, cigarette smoke has little noticeable immediate impact upon one's physiology, whereas cannabis smoke does. Allowing that stuff to be smoked in general public areas would almost be the equivalent of making everyone in a restaurant keep pace the person downing shots at the bar.

Personally, I don't see cannabis ever being legalized in the U.S.. If it ever is though, you can be sure it will be under heavy and strict regulation by the Health Department.
 
If it were ever legalized, I would be concerned about regulation of its use in public. A LOT of people won't stand for any allowance of public usage, I'm sure.

1.) It smells horrid to the non-smokers.
2.) Anyone within second-hand breathing range can be effected almost as much as if they were smoking it themselves.

We already have enough problems with second-hand smoke related to cigarette usage. Fortunately, the only (immediate) effect that has on people is the experience of an unpleasant scent and possibly the "contamination" of their clothes. (Of course, this is assuming that the person inhaling the smoke doesn't have a medical condition that could be aggravated by it.)

Aside from that, cigarette smoke has little noticeable immediate impact upon one's physiology, whereas cannabis smoke does. Allowing that stuff to be smoked in general public areas would almost be the equivalent of making everyone in a restaurant keep pace the person downing shots at the bar.

Personally, I don't see cannabis ever being legalized in the U.S.. If it ever is though, you can be sure it will be under heavy and strict regulation by the Health Department.

BS it smells great lol sike i kno opinion thing
but theyre now puttin smoking bans into affect im sure that they would also ban that with it
but u must be allowed to do it outside ..... at leaste designated spots in populated areas all the litle stuff can get worked out
 
The Elitist Fascists just passed a law in Louisville as well. We've had the no-smoking in restaurants law for over a year now.
 
I feel if it is legalized that MORE people would use it. Alot of peoples excuse for not using marijuana is its illegal. I know alot of people that would smoke it if it were legal. If its illegal its illegal wether you have 1 plant or 20 plants or wether you have say 1 joint or 30 joints either way its illegal. My personal opion legalize. I look at it as it is no different than alcohol maybe a little better than alcohol. When you high on weed you don't stumble around like a drunk or make obscene jestures just my personal opinion

i can agree with you on that also. i know about them blunted eyes
 

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