That would be great Celo, But i'm wondering if they will look in the eclipse books that tells the dealer installer where to find the speed sensor for vehicles all they list for lincolns in the navigator not ls oh and maybe some town cars or something but i know they didn't give us the information we needed for the ls unfortunatley..
Speed Sensor Wire.. can anyone help
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Yep, i'm bringing this post back up again.. I think i may be able to use the rear abs sensor. I called eclipse and talked to a tech and they said that i could use like a audiovox wheel speed sensor and put the magnets real close within 2 to 5 mm but have no idea where to get those at and what they are called for a kit or something, but they said something about keeping the pulses between 4 and 32.. I think i may be able to use the rear abs sensor to do this, anyone know if thats how the abs sensor really work??? i know theres gotta be someone who know this stuff..
Motts
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i looked at this site..
http://www.oemvalue.com/toyotanavigationhelp.htm
its probably a lil different put they are sayin it goes to the speedometer.. ??
I emailed a few people over at the car audio store I work part time at... they are lookin into it.. i'll let you know in a few hrs if i find something out.
http://www.oemvalue.com/toyotanavigationhelp.htm
its probably a lil different put they are sayin it goes to the speedometer.. ??
I emailed a few people over at the car audio store I work part time at... they are lookin into it.. i'll let you know in a few hrs if i find something out.
Motts
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i found this.. i'm still waiting for a reply
http://www.hktrafficpro.com/4773_Install_US_CD1.pdf#search='gps%20speed%20sensor%20wire%20installation'
page 6
http://www.hktrafficpro.com/4773_Install_US_CD1.pdf#search='gps%20speed%20sensor%20wire%20installation'
page 6
Megaboink
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I might have some info but it will cost you!
I'am having the same exact problem. I have a 97 Mark VIII LSC i was asking same question earlier in this forum and finally found a solution. but i' will not go on knowing that the posting is pretty old. you might had found solution.
by the way, the reverse wire from nav could go directly to reverse light wire. It work for me!
I'am having the same exact problem. I have a 97 Mark VIII LSC i was asking same question earlier in this forum and finally found a solution. but i' will not go on knowing that the posting is pretty old. you might had found solution.
by the way, the reverse wire from nav could go directly to reverse light wire. It work for me!
DragonDesign
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I'm still waiting for a difinitive answer on the VSS part of this question. When I last asked around, I beleive that someone mentioned that using the wire from one of the harnesses of the stock head unit would work because of the speed controlled volume adjust feature that they had. I didnt ever hear which wire this was, and I can't track down any wiring diagrams for it. There are plenty of people who have put in NAV units, especially the eclipse ones, so surely somone knows and can chime in...
Megaboink
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i have shop and electrical manual
My navigation is install on my lsc it works fine exepct for the vss wire location. but i bought the shop and electrical diagram manual for a 97 lsc, i also have it for a 94 mark 8. on the 97 manual it shows that it comes out from transmission to the the message center etc's , i havent located the wire due to crappy weather here. what confuses me is that there are 2 wire one is -neg the other is + pos both are VSS i will post the color or will send you the diagram for you to make the decision. now is10;50 am in jersey and i need my cup of cofffee and will be back later on and will post or find a way how to send you the diagram. when i wrote down on my laST POSTING THAT IT WILL COST YOU , I meant that you would have to buy the manual, the cost $135 ,but i have it so it wont cost you anything.i will send info.
My navigation is install on my lsc it works fine exepct for the vss wire location. but i bought the shop and electrical diagram manual for a 97 lsc, i also have it for a 94 mark 8. on the 97 manual it shows that it comes out from transmission to the the message center etc's , i havent located the wire due to crappy weather here. what confuses me is that there are 2 wire one is -neg the other is + pos both are VSS i will post the color or will send you the diagram for you to make the decision. now is10;50 am in jersey and i need my cup of cofffee and will be back later on and will post or find a way how to send you the diagram. when i wrote down on my laST POSTING THAT IT WILL COST YOU , I meant that you would have to buy the manual, the cost $135 ,but i have it so it wont cost you anything.i will send info.
Megaboink
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Well the workshop manual i have shows every wire there is on the car including the vss wire, mounted on transmission, that generates signal that is proportional to vehicle speed and sends to system components, used by the PCM in determining EPC pressure and shifting schedule. What i see it shows the vss wire from transmission heading 3 directions. 1. powertrain control module (pcm) 2.air suspension Evo steering module. 3 speed control module. but the color of the wire of the vss is Gry/blk (Grey wire black stripe) coming from trans. according to a local mechanic print out the wire coming from trans are gry/blk and pink/org. But on the 97 lsc manual that i bought from dealer it shows that the wire is gry/black stripe and pink and orange stripe. The trans vss(vehicle speed sensor) cable heads toward the the air suspension making the color (DG/w) dark grey with white stripe is + positive and the the other is(BK/LG) black dark light grey called vehicle speed input (-) minus. now we are talking air suspension/evo steering module that has 26 pin. the location of the pin vehicle speed input is on the 23 pin on the module and the other on the number 3 pin (+) as soon as the wheather get a lil better i will be try it cause i also need my nav connected to the speed sensor.
hope this help a lil i will get more info and will send or if i manage to get mine going will share the info.
hope this help a lil i will get more info and will send or if i manage to get mine going will share the info.
Speed Sensor Wire
I have the complete 3 volume set of factory shop manuals for the 2003 LS. So it will be different from your 2000 model.
The LS does NOT use a VSS anymore. The wiring diagrams do list a VSS connected to the navigation and the rear park sensors. But there is NO VSS?? Instead it has 4 separate wheel speed sensors that feed into the ABS module as well as the PCM. I would tap into the OSS(Output Shaft Speed) sensor coming from the transmission. On the 2003 model this is a white with red stripe wire. This wire goes to the PCM also. It's output is a frequency and that's what the VSS put out.
The factory Navigation uses an input from the ABS module for the VSS function. The radio gets it's mute data from the rear park sensors if equipped. I can not figure out how the radio gets the speed data to automatically adjust the volume. It looks like the PCM controls this through the Module Communications Network.
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I have the complete 3 volume set of factory shop manuals for the 2003 LS. So it will be different from your 2000 model.
The LS does NOT use a VSS anymore. The wiring diagrams do list a VSS connected to the navigation and the rear park sensors. But there is NO VSS?? Instead it has 4 separate wheel speed sensors that feed into the ABS module as well as the PCM. I would tap into the OSS(Output Shaft Speed) sensor coming from the transmission. On the 2003 model this is a white with red stripe wire. This wire goes to the PCM also. It's output is a frequency and that's what the VSS put out.
The factory Navigation uses an input from the ABS module for the VSS function. The radio gets it's mute data from the rear park sensors if equipped. I can not figure out how the radio gets the speed data to automatically adjust the volume. It looks like the PCM controls this through the Module Communications Network.
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You missed my point: a 1997 Lincoln bears no resemblance to a 2000 LS--they are completely different animals. You might as well be offering the use of the wiring diagram for a '95 Taurus; if it were of any help at all, it would be pure coincidence.Megaboink said:
It's not that the offer isn't appreciated, it's just that it's not likely to be of any assistance.
2001LS8Sport
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clubairth said:
Sure it does! How else does the car know how fast it's going? There are many items on the car that need VSS information.
On my 2003 Aviator, the radio had speed sensitive volume. The VSS signal is sent directly to the head unit and is in one of the connectors in the back of the radio. It is a gray wire with a black stripe. If I recall, the connector only had 2 or 3 wires in it...the rest were blank. It was a 6 disk radio. There has to be a VSS signal in the car...if you can't find a wire, it may be on the CAN Bus. If so, there are adapters out there. But I'm betting you have the wire to your radio on your year.
The VSS signal is also present to the windshield wipers if you have speed sensitive delay.
Megaboink
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sooner i did miss the point LOL i didn't relize we where talking about the LS lool
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Stop by a ford dealership, and ask if you can speak to a tech. Give the tech 20 bucks, and have him look up his EVTM manuals, and have him tell you what wire color and pin location the VSS wire is.
Alternately, you can jump on alldatadiy.com and spend that 20 bucks for a one year subscription. They have all the wiring diagrams and pinouts you'll ever need.
Alternately, you can jump on alldatadiy.com and spend that 20 bucks for a one year subscription. They have all the wiring diagrams and pinouts you'll ever need.
Ah man i wasn't expecting this topic pop up again. 
Well to let anyone wanting to find out what to use We finally figured at after a few days of wire tapping and testing we had to tap into the abs sensors before they go into the abs module in the rear. if i recall there was a brown wire and a black, Brown wire didn't show up anything on the gps head unit but once we hooked up the black and the headunit picked up the signal. With Eclipse head unit i purchased it self calibrated itself after a mile of driving. I've had in on for almost 2 years now and no problem still love the head unit and gps is awesome.
Well to let anyone wanting to find out what to use We finally figured at after a few days of wire tapping and testing we had to tap into the abs sensors before they go into the abs module in the rear. if i recall there was a brown wire and a black, Brown wire didn't show up anything on the gps head unit but once we hooked up the black and the headunit picked up the signal. With Eclipse head unit i purchased it self calibrated itself after a mile of driving. I've had in on for almost 2 years now and no problem still love the head unit and gps is awesome.
Just a side note it is a stretch to get to the abs module. I couldn't reach due to fat arms i guess..lol.. Luckily friend was there who is pretty small that could wrap arms around exhaust and gas tank..lol.. and still have arm left to splice and heat shrink the wires together..
Megaboink
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Speed sensor Necessary?
I'am having the same problem locating the speed sensor on my lsc, t00000 busy at the moment
to locate the wire.
My question is: When conecting the speed sensor to the navigation system, it will be able to tell the speed you are traveling in order to give realtime arrival time/s. but is it really needed if your not really intrested about arrival time? i see my vehicle on the Nav monitor traveling on the screen as i drive along. so i guess is not that important unless you want to know what time you will get to your destination hr/min.
I'll use the Mark build in unit, and forget speed sensor wire.
I'am having the same problem locating the speed sensor on my lsc, t00000 busy at the moment
to locate the wire.
My question is: When conecting the speed sensor to the navigation system, it will be able to tell the speed you are traveling in order to give realtime arrival time/s. but is it really needed if your not really intrested about arrival time? i see my vehicle on the Nav monitor traveling on the screen as i drive along. so i guess is not that important unless you want to know what time you will get to your destination hr/min.
I'll use the Mark build in unit, and forget speed sensor wire.
2001LS8Sport
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Speed sensor isn't mandatory in a NAV system, but it makes it much more accurate and enables other features on the Pioneer AVIC units.
Time to arrival is computed by GPS positioning..not the VSS.
Every radio I've ever seen from Ford that has speed sensitive volume has the VSS wire at the radio itself.
Time to arrival is computed by GPS positioning..not the VSS.
Every radio I've ever seen from Ford that has speed sensitive volume has the VSS wire at the radio itself.
Megaboink
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I have the KENWOOD KNA-DV3100, and the fetures that are not activated are the hrs/min of arival time,meaning that the Nav unit can,t feed me inf on arival time due to Vss(vehicle speed controler) wire not being connected. so, Time of arrival depends on the VSS not The GPS positioning .
cpgoodman
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OK here is the info for an 01, if you dont have an 01 pm and ill get you the info for your year. the wire is white/red (ac) in pin 13 at pcm. hope that helps.
2001LS8Sport
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Megaboink said:
I believe that out of a Kenwood. Why would they want to use the latest techonology available with GPS and digitized roads? Worst Nav system I ever saw.
DragonDesign
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cpgoodman said:
Ok, so to clarify: To connect the VSS wire (in an '01 at least) all you need to do is splice into pin 13 (white with a red stripe?) at the PCM? Where does the wire run to from there? What's the easiest place to get at it? This at least sounds much simpler than getting up under the gas tank.
*Edit* - Ok I'm having a stupid moment, and searching the forums isn't yielding anything right now. I've never accessed the PCM on the LS. Can someone quickly enlighten me (and anyone else that might be wondering) on how to get to it. Man do i ever feel dumb for having to write this haha.
cpgoodman
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Im not to sure where the PCM is. My guess is probably by the fuse box or under the sterring wheel somewhere. This info is from a audiovox tech website. Installers use this site to locate remote start and alarm wires for a certain car. I still have the password for my old shop. It is as easy as using a t-tap and splicing right into it. If you meter it, its going to be in AC not DC.