The BBC Believes In 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

[shagdrum]

Explain the pentagon then...why were there no traces of an airplane and if you look at angle the plane took to hit building it was virtually impossible! Why were all video tapes from the surrounding areas confiscated by the feds? Why were there reports of a missile fired from an aircraft or helicopter? Flight 93 why were there no traces of bodies or of the plane? Did anyone know the day of 911 they were running mock drills of flying planes into buildings and thats why everyone was so confused as to if what was taking place real or a drill. why is flight 93 still in operation today? Why were half of the terrorists listed on the reports that flew the planes are still alive? Sorry people but despite what you believe or are forcefed this whole thing was a conspiracy by our own caring government. Weeks prior to 911 why were their black suits in both towers with sections roped off and unaccessable to the public? Why were workers and witnesses threatened over witnessing this and the other events? Is explosives a far fetched idea?? NO!!!!!!!! go to you tube and watch the zeitgeist movie. i remember watching tv on this ugly day and remember all of the reports and truths later covered up after all was said and done. Another fact to consider is that the twin towers were built and designed for such an attack as what happened on this day and you're going to tell me it failed? Especially when the planes hit higher up in the structure,common sense would tell you they would have to hit lower to compromise the main structure for it to collapse. The media and propaganda crap they feed us is just like terrorism to make us believe what they want us to so we can live in fear. This has been going on since the first world war right on thru today with desert storm and now iraq! Why do we support or give money to nations who hate us and contribute to terrorism and openly admit it? That kind of :q:q:q:q burns me up!!!! We are eventually going to turn into a russia if this crap continues....recession is just around the corner...We need to wake up before its too late if it isn't already. btw building 7 was a bank with trillions of dollars in it and it still remains missing with no records...and did you know the people who were in charge of the bank,its money,documents and functions were all related to our president. that explains all the funding needed to set this up and blame it on terrorism. Hmmm can't wait for the next batch of lies and propaganda in anymore coming events!

Another fallacious argument! There are so many inherent assumptions in those questions that are just plain wrong and unfounded, that it is for all practical purposes impossible to develop an intelligent response to that.

You need to make a more rational argument, not just absurd assertions. Provide some evidence for you outrageous claims. What proof is there of "no traces of an airplane" in the Pentagon attack or any of your other absurd claims? I have no doubt that the only "proof" available is simply conjecture on someones part and not factually basis.

The burden of proof is on you to provide reasonable evidence to back your absurd claims, not on us to disprove your claims.

Off topic:
Next time, you might wanna break that wall 'o' text up a bit to make it easier to read.

 

[fossten]

Explain the pentagon then...why were there no traces of an airplane and if you look at angle the plane took to hit building it was virtually impossible! Why were all video tapes from the surrounding areas confiscated by the feds? Why were there reports of a missile fired from an aircraft or helicopter? Flight 93 why were there no traces of bodies or of the plane? Did anyone know the day of 911 they were running mock drills of flying planes into buildings and thats why everyone was so confused as to if what was taking place real or a drill. why is flight 93 still in operation today? Why were half of the terrorists listed on the reports that flew the planes are still alive? Sorry people but despite what you believe or are forcefed this whole thing was a conspiracy by our own caring government. Weeks prior to 911 why were their black suits in both towers with sections roped off and unaccessable to the public? Why were workers and witnesses threatened over witnessing this and the other events? Is explosives a far fetched idea?? NO!!!!!!!! go to you tube and watch the zeitgeist movie. i remember watching tv on this ugly day and remember all of the reports and truths later covered up after all was said and done. Another fact to consider is that the twin towers were built and designed for such an attack as what happened on this day and you're going to tell me it failed? Especially when the planes hit higher up in the structure,common sense would tell you they would have to hit lower to compromise the main structure for it to collapse. The media and propaganda crap they feed us is just like terrorism to make us believe what they want us to so we can live in fear. This has been going on since the first world war right on thru today with desert storm and now iraq! Why do we support or give money to nations who hate us and contribute to terrorism and openly admit it? That kind of :q:q:q:q burns me up!!!! We are eventually going to turn into a russia if this crap continues....recession is just around the corner...We need to wake up before its too late if it isn't already. btw building 7 was a bank with trillions of dollars in it and it still remains missing with no records...and did you know the people who were in charge of the bank,its money,documents and functions were all related to our president. that explains all the funding needed to set this up and blame it on terrorism. Hmmm can't wait for the next batch of lies and propaganda in anymore coming events!

Obvious troll is obvious.

To Geno: Are you going to respond to any of the people who have addressed you in this thread, or are you just spamming your "Truther Infomercial?"

 

[Calabrio]

Also important to note, and always ignored, is the fact that building seven was built OVER the Con Ed power station. Something that compromised the strength of the building after it was so severely damaged by the two 110 story buildings that fell next to it.

Mind you, since they WERE NOT controlled demolitions (and their massive size) as they collapsed, they rained down debris all around them.

See all that stuff falling? Do you think it missed the buildings around it?


And what about no traces of a plane at the Pentagon?

And, once again, just read this:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

 

[shagdrum]

Yeah, I forgot about that popular mechanics article. Since you guys who think there was a conspiracy involved seem unable or unwilling to follow that link to see what it has to say about your claims, I will post a couple of them here for ya.

On the "Melted steel" claim...

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  Claim: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

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  FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
  
  "Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
  
  But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
  
  "The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

On the "no plane found at the Pentagon"...

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  Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

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  FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

You can also see the plane wreckage at the Pentagon in the photo from the article that Calabrio posted.

 

[fossten]

By the way, Cal and Shag, I linked the Pop Mech article in post #2.