The Truth Comes Out: N.O. Mayor abandons hospitalized people as well as his plan

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City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy

By LISE OLSEN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle


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Hurricane Katrina swirls toward the Gulf Coast.

[/size][/font]Cancer patient Earl Robicheaux, his immune system depleted by radical chemotherapy, lay in a hospital bed as Hurricane Katrina bore down on New Orleans.

Trying to leave, he thought, seemed suicidal.

But after four days in the hospital's reeking darkness, he escaped via a Black Hawk helicopter that landed on the roof of the University Hospital under heavy guard because of the threat of sniper fire.

It was not the evacuation plan authorities had envisioned for its sick, its elderly and its poor. As the floodwaters recede, serious questions remain about whether New Orleans and Louisiana officials followed their own plans for evacuating people with no other way out.

The mayor's mandatory evacuation order was issued 20 hours before the storm struck the Louisiana coast, less than half the time researchers determined would be needed to get everyone out.

City officials had 550 municipal buses and hundreds of additional school buses at their disposal but made no plans to use them to get people out of New Orleans before the storm, said Chester Wilmot, a civil engineering professor at Louisiana State University and an expert in transportation planning, who helped the city put together its evacuation plan.

Instead, local buses were used to ferry people from 12 pickup points to poorly supplied "shelters of last resort" in the city. An estimated 50,000 New Orleans households have no access to cars, Wilmot said.

State and local plans both called for extra help to be provided in advance to residents with "special needs," though no specific timetable was prepared. But phone lines for people who needed specialized shelters opened at noon Saturday — barely 30 hours before Katrina came ashore in Louisiana.

Many people from New Orleans ended up staying home or using a "last resort" special needs shelter state authorities and the city health department set up at the Superdome. Those who made it out of town initially found limited space. The state of Louisiana provided shelter in Baton Rouge and five other cities for a total of about 1,000.

In the city of New Orleans alone, more than 100,000 of the city's residents described themselves as disabled in a recent U.S. census.



Early mistakes

Hospitals were exempted from the mayor's mandatory evacuation order. But at least two public hospitals, loaded with more than 1,000 caregivers and patients, had their generators in their basements, which made them vulnerable in a flood. That violated the state's hurricane plan but had gone uncorrected for years because the hospitals did not have the money to fix the situation, a state university hospital official told the Chronicle.



The consequences came to bear in the images hours and days later: Elderly people dying outside shelters and hospitals that were losing power and, finally, their patients. Now, hurricane evacuation experts around the country are asking why New Orleans failed to prepare for the flood scenario from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane.

"Everybody knew about it. There's no excuse for not having a plan," said Jay Baker, a Florida State University associate professor who is an expert in hurricane evacuations and is familiar with New Orleans hurricane studies.

Tami Frazier, a spokeswoman for Mayor C. Ray Nagin, currently working out of Houston, refused to comment on direct questions this week or to answer several written questions sent via e-mail. She cited the need to focus on rescuing citizens and recovering bodies. [deflect, spin, pass buck]

Robicheaux, the cancer patient who was trapped in a downtown New Orleans hospital, said he thought the city "decided basically to let it ride."

"When you're in a city like New York and there's a big snowstorm, you expect them to have plows. That's not the way it is here. There are no resources to stockpile supplies."

Saturday evening, Hurricane Katrina had intensified to Category 4, with the possibility that it could strike land as a killer Category 5 storm.

About 8 p.m., Mayor Nagin fielded an unusual personal call at home from Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, who wanted to be sure Nagin knew what was coming.

Still, Nagin waited to issue a mandatory evacuation, apparently because of legal complications, said Frazier. She said the city attorney was unavailable for an interview to explain.

But Kris Wartelle, spokeswoman for the attorney general of Louisiana, said state law clearly gives the mayor the authority to "direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area."

"They're not confused about it. He had the authority to do it," Wartelle said.

The mandatory evacuation order came at 10 a.m Sunday.

Former Kemah Mayor Bill King, who has spent years trying to boost funding and organization for hurricanes planning in the Houston-Galveston area, said Nagin's decision to wait to order people out compounded the tragedy.

"To call an evacuation on Sunday morning when the storm was going to hit on Monday morning at 6 a.m. is just ... negligence," King said. "If he'd called it better than that he would have saved lives."



Special-needs evacuation

The Chronicle reviewed Louisiana's Emergency Operations Plan, adopted in 2000. It calls for the establishment of specialized shelters for people with special medical needs. It also recommends that cities use public transportation to evacuate residents if necessary.



The city of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan suggested people develop their own way to get out. "The potential exists that New Orleans could be without sufficient supplies to meet the needs of persons with special considerations, and there is significant risk being taken by those individuals who decide to remain in these refuges of last resort," it says.

People who called for information on special needs shelters Saturday were directed to sites in Alexandria and in Monroe, La. — cities 218 and 326 miles away. The state scrambled to find 20 ambulances and some specialized vans to pick up fragile residents who needed rides.

"There were transportation systems in place to take people out of New Orleans, which was the preferred solution," said Kristen Meyer, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Hospitals. But she's not sure how many got out.

Some, including Lower 9th Ward resident Lois Rice, a paraplegic, became trapped in their homes when the floodwaters rose. She was rescued after using her air mattress to float into her attic.

Florida, by contrast, for two decades has required counties to establish and maintain permanent databases of "special needs citizens," and arrange rides for people with no transportation. The state also has shelters established for myriad medical conditions.

Florida emergency officials agree that last-minute planning simply doesn't work.

"Unless you planned in advance, it would be a catastrophe," said Guy Daines, a retired Florida emergency manager who is considered an expert in specialized evacuations.

In New Orleans, many people with special medical needs ended up at the last resort shelter in the Superdome.

New Orleans' own special needs evacuation plan, however, says that shelter is "NOT TO BE INTERPRETED AS A GUARANTEE OF SAFETY, and the City of New Orleans is not assuring anyone protection from harm within the facilities that are being offered or opened for this purpose."

"When I saw them loading special needs people into the Superdome the day before the storm, my heart was breaking," said Patti Moss, a Texas nursing professor who has developed a tracking system for such vulnerable citizens here. "They were in the path of the storm."

Two of the city's hospitals dedicated to serving the city's poor, University and Charity hospitals, quickly lost power, according to Leslie Capo, a spokesman for the Louisiana State University health sciences department.

After days in the dark, it took the National Guard, the U.S. Army and a Black Hawk to rescue Robicheaux.

"We had been kind of left on our own and I thought, 'This is a fine thank you,' " he said.



Planning for the poor

In storm-vulnerable Jefferson Parish and New Orleans, the American Red Cross worked before the storm to promote a "buddy system" to encourage everyone without cars to find rides through churches and other organizations.



But in an interview published July 18 in New Orleans City Business, Jefferson Parish hurricane planner Walter Maestri insisted New Orleans needed to do much more for those who didn't have cars.

"New Orleans has a significantly larger population without means of transportation, so it's a much bigger problem for the city. ... The answer is very simple — evacuation," he said.

As Hurricane Katrina approached Sunday morning, New Orleans officials advertised city buses would be used to pick people up at 12 sites to go to the "last resort" shelters.

It's unclear how many buses were used. Planners decided not to use any of the New Orleans school buses for early evacuation, Wilmot said.

Photographers recorded images of them lined up in neat rows and submerged — though one was commandeered by Jabbar Gibson, 20, who ferried 70 passengers to safety in the Reliant Astrodome.
 
The school buses sat because he wanted Greyhound buses to ferry the people in comfort.

His constituents are ENTITLED to being rescued on fancy air-conditioned luxury coaches. Don't you get it?
 
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Have you guys heard why their was no food and water at the dome?

It'll blow your mind to know that the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, overseen by the governors office, refused to allow FEMA, thru the Red Cross, to deliver the 12 truckloads of water, food rations and blankets because, get this, they didn't want the people to stay there. They wanted them to leave so they allowed the conditions to be like crap so people wouldn't get comfortable. I am not making this stuff up. It is finally hitting the news.

Can't wait to hear what the Bush bashers have to say about this. Wooboy.
 
That Govenor should be impeached, A friend of mine i work for in the afternoon went to new orleans to move a neice of his up here and i asked him what it looked like and he said it was bad , worse than what the tv showed.
 
MonsterMark said:
Have you guys heard why their was no food and water at the dome?

It'll blow your mind to know that the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, overseen by the governors office, refused to allow FEMA, thru the Red Cross, to deliver the 12 truckloads of water, food rations and blankets because, get this, they didn't want the people to stay there. They wanted them to leave so they allowed the conditions to be like crap so people wouldn't get comfortable. I am not making this stuff up. It is finally hitting the news.

Can't wait to hear what the Bush bashers have to say about this. Wooboy.

I think that the mayor of New Orleans has done a :q:q:q:qty job, but it's quite probably because he's overwhelmed and lacking the funding or the manpower to do the proper thing.

Bush on the other hand has many more people and much more money backing up his actions so he should have been able to respond faster once he saw that things weren't taken care of properly.

A commander knows where his weak people are, and when that weak link is pushed on he supports it with his own strength. It all comes back to my assertion that Bush is a horrible leader. No, I don't think it's his fault that the disaster in New Orleans became as bad as it did, I only blame him for not helping sooner.
 
Actually - Ill say the same thing I said to you pn the Phone Bryan --- I dont think anyone anticipated the levy breaking or the storm being that strong. Had the levy held, you wouldnt see the death and destruction we have. I suspect the hospitals are exempted from evacuation plans such as that because the buildings are reinforced and they have the ability to generate their own power. Had the levy held, and the city not flooded, those facilities and their occupants would have likely been just fine.

As far as the school buses- Just a thought and question - did they have qualified drivers available? Also - Who runs the schools there? I ask this because, here, we have school districts that run the schools and the sities and towns have no say so about the schools. Maybe the buses were not at his disposal, so to speak. This might sound sily, but the mayor might not have had access to even the keys to the busses - I dont know.

As far as water not being delivered, could it have been that the Mayor thought the people would be moved out of the dome before the water could be delivered. On the other hand, once FEMA is given the authority, FEMA actually overrides the mayor and controls the area.

Im not defending him or anyone, just pointing out there might be other, unconsidered circumstances.

However- Bush did take too long to respond IMO. Once the levy broke, there was little the Mayor could do.
 
Joeychgo said:
Actually - Ill say the same thing I said to you pn the Phone Bryan --- I dont think anyone anticipated the levy breaking or the storm being that strong.


That appears to be the key here.
 
Joeychgo said:
Actually - Ill say the same thing I said to you pn the Phone Bryan --- I dont think anyone anticipated the levy breaking or the storm being that strong.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen you print. A category 5 hurricane was taking dead aim on New Olreans for 2 days and only veered away slightly in the last 24 hours.

They are lucky that only 2 (upgraded) levies broke. (or were they blown up by Bush???)

There was so much warning, so many drills predicted this, this is not even funny any more. The City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana failed its citizenry. Period.

Anybody see any video of cops on the streets? At the Superdome. At the Convention center. On the I-10.

The fact is there was food and water and blankets and sanitary kits WAITING to be brought in a day before the hurricane struck (they only needed to wait until the winds died down to get in but the Governor FAILED to provide the needed relief because it was not in the emergency plan. You guys need to get up to date on this. I don't know where you get your information but it certainly is tainted with kool-aid.

Can you imagine if Bush would have invoked the Insurrection Act and taken over for a female, democratic governor. The outcry of bully blah, blah, blah would have been unbearable.

I don't have the time to go into it all but anybody on here pointing the finger at Bush simply doesn't have the facts or is unwilling to hear the truth.



Btw, Joey, I did edit myself even though I thought it was funny, but as you so succinctly stated, maybe not to everyone.
 
In my own, humble, lowly opinion, I think the mayor of New Orleans is a scum bag. Someone shut him up, please. I also think the governor of Louisiana should be held accountable for her horrible decisions. And I also believe that Bush waited 1 or 1 1/2 days too long to crack the whip. But hind-sight is 20/20.
 
Hey, Joey, I hear ya about the buses not having qualified drivers, etc...pretty lame excuses even for you guys, though...

But I would like you to tell me HOW THIS IS BUSH'S FAULT EITHER?


MORE TRUTH COMES OUT...



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[font=Courier, Times New Roman]Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005 11:52 p.m. EDT

Gov. Kathleen Blanco's Bureaucrats Blocked Food and Water


The Red Cross was reportedly ready to deliver food, water and other supplies to flood-ravaged refugees who were sweltering inside New Orleans' Superdome last week - but the relief was blocked by bureaucrats who worked for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco.



Fox News Channel's Major Garrett reported Wednesday that the Red Cross had "trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go ... to the Superdome and Convention Center."

But the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, Garrett said, "told them they could not go." "The Red Cross tells me that Louisiana's Department of Homeland Security said, 'Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or Convention Center, we want to get them out,'" he explained. "So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water, the Red Cross was standing by ready [and] the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go."

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MonsterMark said:
I don't have the time to go into it all but anybody on here pointing the finger at Bush simply doesn't have the facts or is unwilling to hear the truth.


Well - then that is over 60% of the country - cause GW's approval ratings just dipped UNDER 40%. Reasons cited are how he's handled Iraq, Failure to control Gas prices and Katrina -

Lets agree on one thing - GW does not handle a crisis well. GW seems to choke until Cheney can get his hand up his puppet's ass. Remember the 7-11 mins after he was told about 9-11 that he just sat there with the kids? I remember people talking then - Oh, he didnt want to alarm anyone. Please, he choked. He choked again here. Somehow Walmart got trucks and supplies in before the federal government. How? Someone please explain to me how the 82nd airborne can be deployed anywhere in the world in 18 hours --- Except New Orleans....

Sorry Bryan, I was giving your boy the benefit of the doubt and waiting for the info - and as more trickles in,it dont look good for GW. (and ive been watching FOX!!) Even fellow republicans cant defend this - they now want to 'not lay blame' but move forward. LOL.
 
Joeychgo said:
Well - then that is over 60% of the country - cause GW's approval ratings just dipped UNDER 40%. Reasons cited are how he's handled Iraq, Failure to control Gas prices and Katrina -


Rasmussen is the only poll I care to watch. He has been dead on the numbers the last 8 years. Bush's numbers are actually going up. The media will report they are going down but that is not what is happening. The dis-info crowd is filling the airways with the Democratic talking points.

Hey, now that the guy least culpable fell on the sword from FEMA, when are the mayor and governor of Louisiana going to resign?

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Saturday September 10, 2005--Forty-eight percent (48%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President.
Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.

Eighty-four percent (84%) of Republicans now give the President their Approval. That positive assessment is shared by 20% of Democrats and 38% of those not affiliated with either major party.

In the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, consumer confidence fell to its lowest level in more than two years. It has recovered somewhat and is now approaching pre-Katrina levels.

Looking ahead to Election 2006, the Missouri Senate race between Republican Jim Talent and Democrat Claire McCaskill starts out in a dead heat.
 
Even f we use your numbers -

Forty-eight percent (48%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President.(This is up from 44% a few days ago.)

Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.




AP/IPSOS poll shows 39% approve - 59% disapprove

Either way - Its clear that most americans are not happy with GW's Job Performance.

Here is a graphic done of the various major polling services. I think this explains it all.... Source: http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm) Its a little dated - the last data is from June - but im looking for more.

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Well, somehow he still won the election. I wonder how if no one likes him.
 
Well - I dont exactly think he won the first election myself.... But thats another debate.
 
Oh Lord. Then explain how he got elected the second time, even after his "ratings" when to the shi@#er
 
Bear in mind that the media has been a literal liberal attack dog on Bush since the '04 campaign started, and they haven't let up. In fact, they've intensified their efforts to discredit and destroy him.

Hasn't helped that Bush has been President during some of our nation's toughest times of the modern era. Easy to see why some people start to wobble a bit in their support of him. Those of us who recognize this as a concerted effort and not as actual incompetence have not been and will not be fooled.

The real loser in this whole thing will be, in the long run, the media. They are exposing themselves as true partisans and true anti-Bush, anti-conservative, and anti-war.
 
fossten said:
The real loser in this whole thing will be, in the long run, the media. They are exposing themselves as true partisans and true anti-Bush, anti-conservative, and anti-war.

The real loser is the person that can't add 1 + 1 = 2 for themselves.
 
Hmmm. I have noticed that a few of our liberal brethren have been watching FOX. Must be that fair and balanced thing.

I love all the talk about the polls. As if Bush has to worry about running for a 3rd term.

I hope on his last day he calls a news conference and tells liberal America to kiss his xxx and gives them one final middle-finger salute.
 
That would be an interesting way to end his Presidency, if i was President i probably end it that way.
 
Joeychgo said:
Even f we use your numbers -

Forty-eight percent (48%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President.(This is up from 44% a few days ago.)

Fifty-two percent (52%) disapprove.




AP/IPSOS poll shows 39% approve - 59% disapprove

Either way - Its clear that most americans are not happy with GW's Job Performance.

Here is a graphic done of the various major polling services. I think this explains it all.... Source: http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm) Its a little dated - the last data is from June - but im looking for more.

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What a load of BS

Who took this poll, who interpeted the "data", who gives a rats ass if the Preident (any President) is "popular"? This isn't American Idol here.

The President needs to be RIGHT, even if it's NOT POPULAR, has to have the balls to say NO the federal government is not your sugar daddy!

Anyone who's a parent knows you can't be Mr. Nice guy all the time and give your kids every thing they demand all the time without ending up with a bunch of nasty,demanding, spoiled brats, like many americans (many of whom fortunately don't vote).

Grow up and stop insisting the President must pander to the mob.
 
If you look at the graphic - its not a poll. Its a compilation of where the various polls show his popularity at one time or another and the overall trend.

As far as doing what's right. I agree. Sometimes you need to do something unpopular. I fully understand that. But Bush seems to piss off 50% of the country with almost every move.

For those of you who think IM liberal - FYI - I voted for Reagan both times - and wish I could have voted for him a third time. Same story for Clinton.

And for those who keep complaining about the liberal media - Please spare me. That is such BS. You sure didnt complain when thestory of the day was Clinton getting a BJ or investing in some real estate. But GW taking us to war after telling us AB & C was going on - and none of those have proven true. My gas prices have doubled. My taxes dropped, but that'll come back at me later on. I give a certain amount of leeway about the economy due to things like 9-11. But gas prices are 90% his falut IMO. Had we not gone to war, I bet gas prices would be much lower today, not to mention we would be half a TRILLION dollars richer.

Ok, off my sandbox. Go ahead and start taking your swipes at me. :D
 
Dougstc said:
THe actual rating for the Katrina approval of GW is 87% approval. And yes, Fox was the only channel to air.

Let me reply to your post with a quote:

mach8 said:
What a load of BS

Who took this poll, who interpeted the "data", who gives a rats ass if the Preident (any President) is "popular"? This isn't American Idol here.

:slam *owned*
 

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