This just proves how hypocritical and stupid anti-illegal alien rhetoric is

[shagdrum]

Is it really that hard for you?

Is it really that important to you?

 

[shagdrum]

Smear attempt? Who do you believe I was trying to smear exactly?

You tell me...

By the way, don't talk to me about illiteracy until you learn that it's called the "Democratic party" or "Democratic senator", and not "Democrat party" or "Democrat senator", etc. You people really look like buffoons when you misuse the term.

This statement was clearly meant as a put down.

Nevermind that the point is A)irrelevant, and B) questionable at best.

And who "called" me on it?

No clue...

 

[Marcus]

I don't want to speak for the specifics of the woman or the bill. Again, I think I've addressed how low I think of most congress people, Republican or Democrat.

But let's address some concepts associated that may be associated with it.
Is it reasonable to have a policy that treats large companies that employ several dozens or hundreds of employees differently than it someone who employees one?

If McDonalds is hiring illegals, is it appropriate to fine them $10k, but if my neighbor has an Ecuadorian nanny (that they may honestly think is legal because these people usually have fake documents) should they also be subject to a $10k fine, or is some proportionality reasonable here?

I don't think it's hypocritical to distinguish between a large company and a private individual/home or a tiny business with less than ten people.

That doesn't mean any penalty isn't appropriate.
It also means that we may need to establish a system where it's easier for small employers to verify status.

With having an exception to the penalty, you'll just end up with people and businesses coming up with creative ways to get around the law. And applying it equally to everyone is unfair to the average homeowner who unknowingly hires an illegal to mow his lawn. It opens up a huge legal can of worms.

Again, my argument is not about whether harsher laws will be effective at curbing illegal immigration. It's about the economic consequences of those laws. People pretend to talk tough on illegal immigration but don't want to admit that much of our economy would be severely affected if cheap labor wasn't doing the jobs we don't want to pay for.

 

[shagdrum]

Again, my argument is not about whether harsher laws will be effective at curbing illegal immigration. It's about the economic consequences of those laws. People pretend to talk tough on illegal immigration but don't want to admit that much of our economy would be severely affected if cheap labor wasn't doing the jobs we don't want to pay for.

I have heard the claim that our economy would be severely crippled without illegals. Do you have any information and/or logical proof to support that claim?

 

[Mechanicboy]

much of our economy would be severely affected if cheap labor wasn't doing the jobs we don't want to pay for.

I have heard the claim that our economy would be severely crippled without illegals. Do you have any information and/or logical proof to support that claim?

Seriously, I've stated this before. The cost of labor in a field has little to no effect on the price a consumer pays for a food product at their local grocery store. If some person that so endowed to afford a maid, caretaker, etc. then that can afford a little more to hire someone that is legal.

 

[Calabrio]

It is very easy to check -

And it's often wrong, the illegals will often times use valid names or ss#.
However, if by making a good faith gesture to investigate or validate the citizenship claims, such as you mention, they are legally safe, then I don't take issue or disagree with the $10k fine, per employee, across the board either.

In fact, the seems like a business opportunity in Texas. A web page that specifically is marketed to validate citizenship like that for $50+ a search. Even better if it includes photographs in the result.