" U.N.: Explosives Missing from Former Iraq Atomic Site"

Joeychgo said:
IAEA Insepections - the explosives were under IAEA seal -- and - as I recall - we had already invaded and occupied iraq as of 9-4-03 -


here is the whole article
The explosives were under seal since 1991. That article says the IAEA verified the explosives were there in January '03 before the invasion. I'm not refuting that. But I need more than an "anonymous source at the Pentagon" to verify that they were there after we invaded. Yes I'm skeptical, and I'm not about to apologize for that.

I haven't studied the characteristics of those 2 explosives, but I understand that they are key ingredients in plastic explosives. However, they are not as lethal by themselves. The OK City bombing showed us that powerful bombs can be made with the proper know-how. Of course we should try and keep any weapons out of enemy hands, but that in and of itself is not the key to victory.

Side note: I noticed an error in that article you posted, Joey. It said that there were 170 deaths due to the crash of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie. The actual number of deaths was 270. A simple typo I know, but I thought it was interesting how things can so easily be misstated and that errors abound everywhere.
 
Time to eat some crow guys...

But see, the damage is done. It was all Bush's fault. Kerry was out making a fool of himself today because he again doesn't know what he is talking about. This is the danger with Kerry. He will govern from the editorial page. This is also why he will lose the election in 8 days.

Don't expect to see huge retractions in the media on this one. They never retract a story when they are found out and proven to be liars. One by one the old dinosaurs of the elite media are going down, down, down.


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON OCT 25 2004 22:45:05 ET XXXXX

NBCNEWS: HUGE CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ -- AT LEAST 18 MONTHS AGO -- BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED

The
NYTIMES urgently reported on Monday how the Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives are now missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

Jumping on the TIMES exclusive, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry blasted the Bush administration for its failure to "guard those stockpiles."

"This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the great blunders of this administration," Kerry said.

In an election week rush:

**ABCNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 4 Times
**CBSNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 7 Times
**MSNBC Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 37 Times
**CNN Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 50 Times

But tonight, NBCNEWS reported, once: The 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives were already missing back in April 10, 2003 -- when U.S. troops arrived at the installation south of Baghdad!

An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

According to NBCNEWS, the HMX and RDX explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.

It is not clear why the NYTIMES failed to report the cache had been missing for 18 months -- and was reportedly missing before troops even arrived.

The TIMES left the impression the weapons site had been looted since Iraq has been under US control.

"The U.S. Army was at the sight one day after the liberation and the weapons were already gone," a top Republican blasted from Washington late Monday.

The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers.

Dem vp hopeful John Edwards blasted Bush for not securing the explosives: "It is reckless and irresponsible to fail to protect and safeguard one of the largest weapons sites in the country. And by either ignoring these mistakes or being clueless about them, George Bush has failed. He has failed as our commander in chief; he has failed as president."

A senior Bush official e-mailed DRUDGE late Monday: "Let me get this straight, are Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards now saying we did not go into Iraq soon enough? We should have invaded and liberated Iraq sooner?"


Me speaking: And then listen to this last doozy from Lockhart. What a mouth. Direct from the Democratic playbook... You guys have seen me post this all the time...Deny, deflect, attack! There it is fellas. Read it. Almost as good as demanding Bush answer questions that forged documents raised.
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Top Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart fired back: "In a shameless attempt to cover up its failure to secure 380 tons of highly explosive material in Iraq, the White House is desperately flailing in an effort to escape blame. Instead of distorting John Kerry’s words, the Bush campaign is now falsely and deliberately twisting the reports of journalists. It is the latest pathetic excuse from an administration that never admits a mistake, no matter how disastrous."

Developing...

Would you like ketchup and mustard to go with that crow???
 
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Bryan,
Guys like you are dangerous. I can only imagine how useful to society you might if only you'd remove your blinders. You, like Bush obviously lack the ability to see when you're wrong. It's that or you certainly lack the ability to ADMIT it. Any manager, coach, or commander worth his salt knows that when you are faced with a situation where your current plans are not working, or yielding the results you're looking for, you change your plan. Come at it from a different angle so to speak. Bush, and people like you, just continue forward no matter what because doing anything else would mean conceeding that you were wrong at some point. Your plan is great for YOU. It means never having to admit you're wrong.
And BTW, to call the left and bunch of negative thinkers is ridiculous. Bush is the one that's always playing on our fears. Kerry appeals to our hopes and dreams for a better society. How could you NOT admit THAT? Sorry, forgot myself for a second there. Your brain isn't programmed for that function, I forgot.
Bush theory 101:
1. Play on the fears of your constituents.
2. Always be able to provide a plausable denial.
3. When caught, deny everything, and blame the liberal press.
 
JPost.com » News » World » Article

Oct. 25, 2004 17:45 | Updated Oct. 25, 2004 17:49
380 tons of explosives missing in Iraq
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Vienna, Austria

Nearly 400 tons of conventional explosives that can be used in the kind of car bomb attacks that have targeted US-led coalition forces in Iraq for months have vanished from a former Iraqi military installation, the UN nuclear agency said Monday.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said it fears the explosives may have fallen into insurgents' hands. Diplomats questioned why the United States didn't do more to secure the facility, which they say posed a well-known threat of being looted.

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei was to report the explosives' disappearance to the UN Security Council later Monday, spokeswoman Melissa Fleming told The Associated Press.

Iraq's Ministry of Science and Technology told the nuclear agency on Oct. 10 that about 380 tons (350 metric tons) of explosives had gone missing from the former Al-Qaqaa facility south of Baghdad, Fleming said.

"The most immediate concern here is that these explosives could have fallen into the wrong hands," she told the AP.

Saddam Hussein's regime used Al-Qaqaa as a key part of its effort to build a nuclear bomb. Although the missing materials are conventional explosives known as HMX and RDX, the Vienna-based IAEA got involved because HMX is a "dual use" substance powerful enough to ignite the fissile material in an atomic bomb and set off a nuclear chain reaction.

Both are key components in plastic explosives such as C-4 and Semtex, which are so powerful that Libyan terrorists needed just a pound (0.45 kilos) to blow up Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, killing 170 people.

Insurgents targeting coalition forces in Iraq have made widespread use of plastic explosives in a bloody spate of car bomb attacks. Officials were unable to link the missing explosives directly to the recent car bombings, but the revelations that they could have fallen into enemy hands caused a stir.

"This stuff was well-known. Everyone knew it was there, and it should have been among the first sites to be secured," said a European diplomat familiar with the disappearance of the explosives, which was first reported Monday by The New York Times.

At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said US-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity.

The IAEA had periodically inspected the site between 1991 and 2003, including numerous times between November 2002 and March 2003, the official said. As of January 2003 the IAEA had "fully inventoried" the site, the official said. It was not clear what additional inspections were done between January and March.

This past weekend, the Pentagon ordered the U.S. military command in Baghdad and the Iraq Survey Group to investigate the IAEA report, the official said, adding it was not yet clear how or by whom the explosives were taken or whether any of the material had been used in attacks by the insurgency.

In Washington, Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry's campaign said the Bush administration "must answer for what may be the most grave and catastrophic mistake in a tragic series of blunders in Iraq."

"How did they fail to secure nearly 380 tons of known, deadly explosives despite clear warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency to do so?" senior Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart said in a statement.

"These explosives can be used to blow up airplanes, level buildings, attack our troops and detonate nuclear weapons," Lockhart said. "The Bush administration knew where this stockpile was, but took no action to secure the site."

Al-Qaqaa is located near Youssifiyah, an area rife with ambush attacks. An Associated Press Television News crew which drove past the compound Monday saw no visible security at the gates of the site, a jumble of low-slung, yellow-colored storage buildings that appeared deserted.

Saddam was known to have used the site to make conventional warheads, and IAEA inspectors dismantled parts of his nuclear program there before the 1991 Gulf War. The experts also oversaw the destruction of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons.

The Iraqis told the nuclear agency the materials had been stolen and looted because of a lack of security, Fleming said.

"We do not know what happened to the explosives or when they were looted," she said. After authenticating the Iraqi report, the IAEA informed the multinational force in Iraq through the US government on Oct. 15, Fleming said.

IAEA inspectors pulled out of Iraq just before the 2003 invasion and have not yet been able to return despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that the experts be allowed back in to finish their work.

ElBaradei told the UN Security Council before the war that Iraq's nuclear program was in disarray and that there was no evidence to suggest it had revived efforts to build atomic weaponry.

In February 2003, a month before the invasion, ElBaradei told the United Nations that Iraq had declared that "HMX previously under IAEA seal had been transferred for use in the production of industrial explosives."

Only a resumption of inspections can determine what happened to the explosives since then, agency officials said.


Bryan,
There is the answer to one of your questions:"At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said US-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity."


I like that new pic you have, is that the mask you have to wear when attending a Shrub/Cheney campaign stop? How many cartridges does it take to filter the stench of the BS they sling?
 
Typical Bush loyalist tactic.
First deny, then ask for proof, then finally claim that it's a BS story, "old news", or throw up a smoke screen by changing the subject.
Do you all realize how stupid you look?
 
Katshot said:
Bush is the one that's always playing on our fears. Kerry appeals to our hopes and dreams for a better society.
I almost spewed my coffee all over my computer monitor when I read those lines, which are straight out of all the Demo's stump speeches. Talk about not being open-minded and being brain-washed by their side, you're a prime example Katshot. If you fail to see the negativity in the Demo campaign, then it's obvious you have blinders on as well.

And 97silverlsc, if YOU would read other peoples posts you would realize that article you just posted is almost identical to the article Joey linked to. It even has the same error of 170 deaths in the Lockerbie crash, instead of 270 like I pointed out. You are a hypocrite plain and simple. Not to mention that Bryan has pointed out that the whole thing was bogus anyway. But the truth really is not your concern is it.
 
Katshot said:
Typical Bush loyalist tactic.
First deny, then ask for proof, then finally claim that it's a BS story, "old news", or throw up a smoke screen by changing the subject.
Do you all realize how stupid you look?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahaha, how stupid who looks? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
Kbob,
You and Bryan both claim to read the articles, yet post questions that are answered by the article(if you were to read it). I post another article that shows that the explosives were still in place shortly after the invasion (a question posted by Bryan) and you resort to name calling. A typical republican response. If you can't dispute the evidence, go after the messenger. Seems as childish from you as it does from Shrub and company. And by the way, Bryan saying something is bogus doesn't make it so!!!!
You and Bryan are living in the same state as Shrub--- the state of Denial!!
 
97silverlsc said:
Kbob,
You and Bryan both claim to read the articles, yet post questions that are answered by the article(if you were to read it). I post another article that shows that the explosives were still in place shortly after the invasion (a question posted by Bryan) and you resort to name calling. A typical republican response. If you can't dispute the evidence, go after the messenger. Seems as childish from you as it does from Shrub and company. And by the way, Bryan saying something is bogus doesn't make it so!!!!
You and Bryan are living in the same state as Shrub--- the state of Denial!!
I thought you were going to be a challege, but you disappoint me again. The article didn't answer any of my questions, they only made claims and I wanted details. Joey answered some of them. I'm not resorting to anything since you have made it a point to ridicule me by name with baseless accusations in the past and I'm not going to let you get away with it when the proof is right in front of you. I'm calling it exactly like I see it and I'll say it again, you're a hypocrite and I won't stop in pointing that out with proof every chance I get until you acknowledge that you were wrong with an apology. I tried to be friendly and cordial with you in the beginning and you spat in my face. I'm not giving you any quarter now until you in turn are friendly and cordial to me. The part about "Bryan saying so" was only in reference to the article he posted and there are others out on the internet right now which I'm truly surprised that you are unaware of them. I read somewhere recently of someone being disgusted here with somebody else, and now I am too.
 
Kbob said:
I thought you were going to be a challege, but you disappoint me again. The article didn't answer any of my questions, they only made claims and I wanted details. Joey answered some of them. I'm not resorting to anything since you have made it a point to ridicule me by name with baseless accusations in the past and I'm not going to let you get away with it when the proof is right in front of you. I'm calling it exactly like I see it and I'll say it again, you're a hypocrite and I won't stop in pointing that out with proof every chance I get until you acknowledge that you were wrong with an apology. I tried to be friendly and cordial with you in the beginning and you spat in my face. I'm not giving you any quarter now until you in turn are friendly and cordial to me. The part about "Bryan saying so" was only in reference to the article he posted and there are others out on the internet right now which I'm truly surprised that you are unaware of them. I read somewhere recently of someone being disgusted here with somebody else, and now I am too.

As I've stated before, my intent behind posting the articles and editorials that I do is to enlighten people about issues that should be of concern before making a decision about who to vote for in the upcoming elections. If you don't like what I post, well that is just too bad. This forum has rules, and as long as I abide by them I can post whatever I want. Call me whatever you want, it just agrees with my belief that republicans in general and you and Bryan specifically resort to name calling or character assasination whenever you can't dispute the information or charges presented by someone else. I'm just glad that I can't be there with you and Bryan, cause the foot stomping and breath holding would be equally embarassing a display as your name calling is!!
 
Kbob said:
I almost spewed my coffee all over my computer monitor when I read those lines, which are straight out of all the Demo's stump speeches. Talk about not being open-minded and being brain-washed by their side, you're a prime example Katshot. If you fail to see the negativity in the Demo campaign, then it's obvious you have blinders on as well.

Yep, you're right. What I said IS virtually identical to the "Demo's stump speeches" as you call them, and I've been saying it at least as long as they have. It would take a moron to not see the truth in it. The ONLY negativity in the Demo campaign is concerning the poor job Bush has done. The Rep campaign on the other hand not only suggests but comes right out and claims that if Kerry wins, we'll be over-run with terrorist attacks etc. Come on, listen to what Bush is saying and what his campaign ads are saying. The ONLY thing he ever says is about terrorism and how only HE can properly deal with it. The whole Bush campaign is one of thinly vailed threats.
Hate to say it but Clinton was right yesterday, "if your choice is between someone who wants to scare you and someone that wants you to think, you better vote for the one that wants you to think."
 
Katshot said:
"if your choice is between someone who wants to scare you and someone that wants you to think, you better vote for the one that wants you to think."

heh... kind of like the democrats proposing re-instating the draft and blaming the republicans for it :F

"better vote for kerry or everyone is going to war" please... :bash:
 
You'll find out SOON that a certain Republican from PA has a bill waiting that will reinstate the draft.
 
97silverlsc said:
I like that new pic you have, is that the mask you have to wear when attending a Shrub/Cheney campaign stop? How many cartridges does it take to filter the stench of the BS they sling?
No, that is a picture of the muzzle placed on a top liberal political analyst who when confronted with the truth last Friday night on MSNBC, started foaming at the mouth. He was consequently shot with a tranqualizer (bosses) and then put out of our misery so he couldn't bite anyone and infect them liberal rabies. A very serious type of disease that destroys the brain and leaves the body intact. Kind of the opposite of paralysis. Body works, brain doesn't. Hopefully a breakthrough in fetal stem cell research can reverse the effect of those who have contracted the disease.

BTW, at this point I will believe the NBC crew that was on the ground the day we invaded Baghdad and that has been quoted sayiing there was nothing there over the (so typical of liberals) unnamed source. Talk to the hand!!!
 
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Guys, as long as we can play nice together, have at it. Tempers are flairing. Let's ALL (myself included) do our level best to not rip each other personally, just our ideologies.

We are in the home stretch. Kerry is behind (no I didn't say he IS a behind
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) and the left is getting a little desperate. Time for the right to hold on. We are experiencing a little turbulence right now but pretty soon we'll be entering clear skies and will have a smooth ride after November 2nd.

The bowl is full, time to flush the Johns!
 
I feel like Bush during the 2nd debate when he wanted to answer Kerry's accusation and Charlie Gibson was trying to control what he was saying. I just read your post after I posted, Bryan, and in respect for you and this site I'm dropping my reply to Phil.
 
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Back on track: those explosives have been gone since probably before the war started or before we got to that weapons depot. Negativity is prevalant in both campaigns. 'Nuff said.
 
MonsterMark said:
No, that is a picture of the muzzle placed on a top liberal political analyst who when confronted with the truth last Friday night on MSNBC, started foaming at the mouth. He was consequently shot with a tranqualizer (bosses) and then put out of our misery so he couldn't bite anyone and infect them liberal rabies. A very serious type of disease that destroys the brain and leaves the body intact. Kind of the opposite of paralysis. Body works, brain doesn't. Hopefully a breakthrough in fetal stem cell research can reverse the effect of those who have contracted the disease.

BTW, at this point I will believe the NBC crew that was on the ground the day we invaded Baghdad and that has been quoted sayiing there was nothing there over the (so typical of liberals) unnamed source. Talk to the hand!!!

There's a surprise! :rolleyes: Usually, you and all your other Republican pals are whining about the liberal press but since they happen to appear to support your point of view, you chose to believe them. And you call Kerry a flip-flopper!
 
What is really funny if you time the events of yesterday is that when the correction broke, the Democrats came out swinging blaming the Bush administration for distorting the facts. When it was pointed out that a friendly fellow liberal media outlet was responsible for the correction, they said (in their best Rosanne Rosanadana voice): Oh! Nevermind.


Even better, C-BS wanted to "BREAK" this story on election eve night and were scooped by the NYT (New York Tabloid).

The liberal lefty media bias is so exposed, they have no credibility left. The pajamadeen are killing them in cyberworld.

*owned*

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 26 2004 11:02:38 ET XXXXX

60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE

News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.

Jeff :q:q:qer, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."

Elizabeth Jensen at the LOS ANGELES TIMES details on Tuesday how CBS NEWS and 60 MINUTES lost the story [which repackaged previously reported information on a large cache of explosives missing in Iraq, first published and broadcast in 2003].

The story instead debuted in the NYT. The paper slugged the story about missing explosives from April 2003 as "exclusive."

An
NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

According to NBCNEWS, the explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.


Give up, resistance is futile.
 
New Headline: not mine..

No CaCa at QaQaa!

Simple question guys.

If these explosives we so dangerous, why didn't the UN and the IAEA take them? 2 theories.

1) Because Saddam said he would use them for construction projects and they believed him!

2) They are the incompetent boobs everybody but the left knows them to be and are a corrupt organization that someday we will have to face down.
 

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