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UAW sacrifices look to some like surrender
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28323341/
Members' wages and benefits will be slashed under federal loan deal

By Peter Whoriskey
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updated 6:22 a.m. ET, Sat. Dec 20 08

For decades after its founding in 1935, the United Auto Workers stood as a powerful model for the American labor movement, an influential organization that historians credit with uplifting living standards for all working Americans.
But with the announcement of the federal loan deal yesterday, the union found itself being forced into concessions that some described as tantamount to surrender.
The $17.4 billion federal loan agreement does keep the domestic auto industry alive. But the terms of that loan also insist that the wages and benefits for union workers be lowered to "equal" the average of nonunion workers, specifically, those at the U.S. plants of Nissan, Toyota and Honda.
Those and other concessions would essentially erase the significant distinctions between union and nonunion auto workers, and the lack of such union worker advantages would render moot the union's fundamental purpose, some industry analysts and labor experts said.
It was the financial crisis, as well as the domestic industry's slippage against foreign automakers in the United States, that forced the union to acquiesce, albeit reluctantly, union leaders said yesterday.
'Keep Americans working'
In a statement, UAW president Ron Gettelfinger said the loan "will keep the doors of America's factories open, keep Americans working and prevent the devastating economic consequences for millions of Americans."
But, he noted, the union was disappointed that Bush "added unfair conditions singling out workers."
Exactly how tough the agreement ultimately will be on union workers is far from certain.
The language of the loan agreement sets specific "restructuring targets" that General Motors and Chrysler must use their "best efforts" to meet. Compensation must be made "equal" to the nonunion workers, and work rules must be "competitive" with those at nonunion plants. The companies also must reduce compensation to workers who have been laid off — the jobs bank and at least half of the company payments into retiree health care must be made in stock, not cash. If the companies fall short of those targets, they are required to explain why.
The payment in stock makes the health fund more risky. The wage concessions could force average wages down to $24 an hour from $28 an hour, analysts said.
But it is far from clear whether the Obama administration will hold the companies and the unions to those requirements. Democrats immediately signaled some opposition to the toughest provisions.

At a news conference in Chicago yesterday, President-elect Barack Obama said that workers should not be the ones "taking all the hits" and that all stakeholders "are going to have to play a part in this process."
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the committee overseeing much of the government financial rescue efforts, was far tougher.
"The president has added an unfair assault on working men and women, which could require them to accept a disproportionately large reduction in what is currently legally owed to them," he said in a statement. "I am particularly opposed to the notion . . . that could give foreign auto companies in effect the ability to dictate wages for all American auto workers."
Frank said that because those requirements were "unilaterally inserted" by Bush, the Obama administration "should take whatever steps are necessary to remove them."
Whatever happens, however, the financial crisis has made clear the profound weaknesses in the union's position.

Circumstances had once been so different for the union, which was founded on the idea of protecting worker dignity and promoted innovations such as pensions and health care for all workers.
"The auto workers were for many years the model for the American standard of living," said David Montgomery, emeritus professor of labor history at Yale University.
Their power stemmed in part from the stunning success of the U.S. auto industry.

In 1950, for example, General Motors reported record profits, declared the largest stockholder dividend in U.S. corporate history and couldn't build cars fast enough. So when the United Auto Workers threatened to strike, the company agreed to a landmark deal with pensions, a cost-of-living formula and cut-rate health insurance. Fortune magazine hailed it as "the treaty of Detroit."
Twenty years later, the union seemed to have become, if anything, even more powerful. When legendary UAW President Walter Reuther addressed the union convention in 1970, he was bullish on the organization's prospects.
"We are, without question, the strongest and most effective industrial union in the world," he said. "We have taken on the most powerful corporations in the world, and, despite their power and their great wealth, we have always prevailed."
Now, those who have followed Reuther face a far different landscape.
"We recognize that going forward there's going to be a restructuring of the companies and all the stakeholders are going to have to make sacrifices, and we're prepared to do our part," said Alan Reuther, the union's Washington representative and Reuther's nephew. "But that path forward, as painful as it may be, is preferable to bankruptcy, not only for our workers but also for the economy and whole country."
Cultural differences
Historians date many of the union's problems to the arrival in the United States of foreign auto plants — the ones they are now being leveled with — in the early '80s.
Workers at those plants received less in wages, benefits and jobs protection. But when the United Auto Workers tried to organize there, they failed.
Some of that has been blamed on the cultural differences. Most of the new foreign-maker plants emerged in the South.
But even in Marysville, Ohio, where Honda built a plant, the United Auto Workers were unsuccessful.
"That was in their own back yard," said Jonathan Cutler, a professor at Wesleyan University and the author of "Labor's Time: Shorter Hours, the UAW and the Struggle for American Unionism." "If you can't organize Ohio, you can't organize your way out of a brown paper bag."
'Capitulate'
The growth of the foreign-car plants in the United States placed increasing pressure on the domestic automakers and, in turn, the United Auto Workers. The foreign competitors, using nonunion labor, saved money in wages and used that advantage to gain ground on the U.S. automakers.
"When the UAW exposed the Big Three to insurmountable competitive disadvantages, it cut its own throat," Cutler said.
Now, with the bailout loan requiring at least rough parity with the nonunion plants, the union essentially has been forced to capitulate to the nonunion movement.
Getting "down to the level of foreign companies undermines the meaning of having a union in the first place," Montgomery said.
"This is another stage in the defeat of the UAW," said Dan Luria, a former UAW economist and now research director of Michigan Manufacturing Technology Center. "On the other hand, it could have been a lot worse."
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Despite being known on this site for not being fond of Bush(!)
he did the right thing here saving the car companies under these rules just long enough to hand them off to Obama as his problem.
No shoes here :)
 
Good.

The union brought much of this upon itself. A union is only a positive thing when it's used as a counterweight to another monopoly. A long time ago, there would only be one employer in a town. Populations weren't mobile, so this employer had a monopoly. The people in the town had to accept whatever wages or conditions the employer presented them.

That isn't the case anymore. To the contrary, the UNION became the monopoly- having a complete control of the labor, and the automakers basically accepted whatever wage and conditions the union leaders demanded.
 
Good.

The union brought much of this upon itself. A union is only a positive thing when it's used as a counterweight to another monopoly. A long time ago, there would only be one employer in a town. Populations weren't mobile, so this employer had a monopoly. The people in the town had to accept whatever wages or conditions the employer presented them.

That isn't the case anymore. To the contrary, the UNION became the monopoly- having a complete control of the labor, and the automakers basically accepted whatever wage and conditions the union leaders demanded.

I agree completely. (bet you never thought I would say that to you)
 
I agree with your thoughs on the unions. Before they got so strong, well really some years ago, when you could buy a car and it did not cost you, your first born to get it bought. I don't understand why the union feels they don't have to take a cut but thinks nothing of asking tax payers to bail them out. Some of those tax payers are getting only $7.00, $8.00 and on an hour. They need a break too, so that they can buy one of those new cars. My hope is that Uncle Sam sticks with their rules on things and makes sure things happen. Renee57
 
Yes, it's the same old story where the organization becomes more important that it's purpose. The church, unions, government agencies, law enforcement , etc. all travel that road.

Lust for power and greed seem to define oganizations throughout history.

Like I read once, "Life is like a septic tank, the really big chunks always rise to the top." Time to send in the skimmers.
 
From NYT...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html?_r=2&em

So here’s a little experiment. Imagine that a Congressional bailout effectively pays for $10 an hour of the retiree benefits. That’s roughly the gap between the Big Three’s retiree costs and those of the Japanese-owned plants in this country. Imagine, also, that the U.A.W. agrees to reduce pay and benefits for current workers to $45 an hour — the same as at Honda and Toyota.

Do you know how much that would reduce the cost of producing a Big Three vehicle? Only about $800.

That’s because labor costs, for all the attention they have been receiving, make up only about 10 percent of the cost of making a vehicle. An extra $800 per vehicle would certainly help Detroit, but the Big Three already often sell their cars for about $2,500 less than equivalent cars from Japanese companies, analysts at the International Motor Vehicle Program say.Even so, many Americans no longer want to own the cars being made by General Motors, Ford and Chrysler.


So, the UAW reduces wages - but they only build a product they are told to build. They don't design the vehicle, decide that 14 mpg is acceptable, create parts that are so poorly laid out that you can't take apart a door panel without destroying the connectors.

The UAW certainly has a lot to answer for. But, Detroit had better wake up and see that the biggest problems aren't being generated from the bottom up - but from the top down.

The best reason (as stated in the article) to keep the big three, is that it is easier and cheaper to keep workers in those jobs than to retrain them and create new jobs. The government will be creating huge stimulus packages to create jobs and retrain many other workers, for now, this is a cheap temporary fix. However, once the economy has stabilized, the auto industry really needs to stand or fail on its own.
 
Ultimately Foxpaws

we're only going to save the car companies long enough until credit markets improve and the economy has recovered some.
Then they can go bankrupt and Toyota, Honda and other well managed companies can pick up the pieces, rid themselves of the job bank and jettison the UAW and all the long term accumulated obligations.
There is an opportunity for Change here although perhaps not the change and opportunity Obama is thinking of.

The public will feel reasured that competent management and a new restructuring will improve quality and warranties will be honored and parts(that are made by suppliers who supply Toyota and Honda el al as well)
will be available.
The sub manufacturers will remain so all that industry will remain.
Only the UAW and huge pay for executives (which will be brought down to Japanese standards) will be eliminated.
We have to look at this like Chess.
 
Ok... Maybe I'm off topic here a bit, but why do people always complain about company execs making say, 5 Million a year when un-educated (some of them) sports stars are making 20+ Million per year? Or every couple of years?

I think some of the blame for these "overpaid" execs should fall on the investors for letting them get their ginormous salaries.
 
Ok... Maybe I'm off topic here a bit, but why do people always complain about company execs making say, 5 Million a year when un-educated (some of them) sports stars are making 20+ Million per year? Or every couple of years?

I think some of the blame for these "overpaid" execs should fall on the investors for letting them get their ginormous salaries.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.
Sports makes money and athletes are paid for their athletic talents and not their intellect or management skills.
We love the "star" here in America and the business model supports these otherwise outrageous sums for what is merely entertainment.
They are the lucky few.

Good executives like say Lee Iacoca are worth their money.
What we want to eliminate is bonuses and salary that are not tied to performance.
Executives are not entertainers and have to accomplish real things.
The "star" aspect also has applied to executives who have negotiated huge pay packages and golden parachutes.
It's a cultural American thing this star worship in sports and in business.
 
There are very few people (notice my 'correctness') who have the abilities necessary to manage so effectively as to pull a major company out of a hole. In order to entice them to take the responsibility they are, quite properly, offered substantial sums. And regardless of how able they might be, they may not be hired until too late. They've earned their money for trying.
KS
 
Oh, you must be mistaken.... those decisions are best left to career politicians who've never held jobs in the private sector or were lawyers.:rolleyes:
 
Comment from today's USA Today


ohgoodgrief wrote: 2m ago
President Bush's plan includes targets for United Auto Workers' wages to be brought in line with what foreign companies pay their non-unionized workers in their U.S. plants and to have similar, more flexible work rules.UAW President Ron Gettelfinger is calling on the Obama administration to remove these "unfair conditions" when it takes office.

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Shame on Ron Gettelfinger for not realizing the UAW is a big reason the automakers are in the situation they are in. For years, the union has held management hostage and negotiated wage and benefit packages so lucrative for the auto worker, it's ridiculous. Because their wages/benefits are so much higher than foreign automakers, it adds something like $2,000 in unnecessary cost to every car and that gets passed on to the customer.

As an example of such wage/benefit excess, when my neice's boyfriend graduated from high school, he went to work at one of the Big Three. His dad got him the job there and he joined not only his dad, but aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members in the "family business." He started out at $50,000 per year as a line worker with full benefits. He worked there for four years and when the company laid off workers, because he did not have seniority, he got a pink slip. But, he received 70% of his pay for the next two years, received medical coverage and should he choose to go to college (so he can train for a different job), all tuition is paid for by the auto company. Why? Because that's what the union negotiated in the contract. Unbelievable. At this was the "severance package" for a 22 year old line worker with only four years in.

I worked for a motorcycle manufacturer. The union there was slightly better and easier to work with, however, their wages were higher and benefits better than the college educated salaried professional workers who put in more "unpaid" hours to support the company than a union worker would never dream of doing without receiving time and a half or double-time pay.

Everyone wants to be a millionaire here in the U.S. Unions have played their part in securing wages and benefits for unskilled labor that is completely out of line and have held companies hostage. I hope Obama has a spine and doesn't waver from ensuring the unions change their ways and make concessions.

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This is why the UAW needs to go
 

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