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Well....trillions to Iraq is hardly a drop in the bucket IMO. Especially when you guys were told it would only cost a few billion. Never mind the cost of American lives lost there.... EDIT: For Obama to understate the bailout as bad as Bush Co. in comparison to the original Iraq war tab of...

^^And if you think none of these people are being tortured, you're grossly naive. Again...if no torture was happening, there would be little need for this whole "rendition" technique.... No question that some of these people are VERY bad people indeed though.

That's very similar to what was said about the banking crisis too...under Bush. And the initial bank bailout they were talking about also increased in size. Or perhaps you remember the original teeny, weeny amount that Bush Co told everyone the Iraq war would cost..$50-$60 Billion was it...

^^Several who have been released have said so. Why do you think the US has the "rendition" in the 1st place?? So that "alternate" interrogation techniques can be used in countries where it's not likely to cause a $hitstorm for the US. Do you honestly doubt prisoners are NOT being tortured...

^^Do they deserve torture because they are suspected or accused of being a combatant? Certainly not. The do deserve basic human rights however. The term "civil liberties" I admit may be pushing it for foreigners. But the fact remains...citizen or not, torture is uncalled for and does not...

Well...I think this is enough for me to start REALLY disliking Obama. I thought he was off to a good start with his decision on cleaning up/closing Gitmo. However, Obama has decided to stay the course on the whole "state secret" thing (a line that Democrats in the Senate vehemently opposed...

It wasn't a strip bar, was it?? :D

While on the topic...we have a guy here who tells people to "Go F*** Your Hat". Any idea where that one comes from??

I don't find this that odd. I was also schooled in Canada at a Catholic religious school. And even though our teaching's were pro-life (obviously), the teachers that taught me also talked about the pro-choice arguments and abortion, since it was legal in Canada to have abortions. It was pretty...

Well since it irked you sooooo much, I thought I might explain my position. Again...had you not said "You people" implying more than 1 person, I may have said nothing. You'll have to better direct it (like I did in my other post to Bryan) in the future....

Oh were you? You didn't respond to anyone by name or by quote. You said "You people" implying more than one. As far as I knew, it was directed at the entire forum.....hence my reply.

That may be true..and my comment wasn't about that (Turn on your spin machine, eh??). Clearly the guy doing the show isn't the brightest......Here's what HE said on HIS show (the show the brightest people listen to): "....they have reformatted the bill -- they've made it a PDF file when they...

Geez Bryan....your pissing and moaning has reached staggering levels. Either A) Seek medical help B) Move to Canada already..... I see you made out OK with a PDF file.......:)

OH!!! You mean you were able to read the bill?? According to the Head Honcho of Right Wing Weenies, Rush Limbaugh, you CANNOT search a PDF file.........LOL........:) So I'm really surprised you were able to read the bill at all....:slam

Bryan, Didn't you guys have a HUGE surplus when Bush took the reins, and when he went out you guys were in a HUGE hole??

^^So how much of all of what is going on Obamas fault, Bryan? He's trying to fix Bush's mess he handed off. He sure inherited a "broken" America. If he did nothing he'd be thrown under the bus, when he tried to do something about it he gets thrown under the bus. It's a no win presidency for...

Except some people actually had burnt aircraft seat cushions floating in their pool several miles from the crash site. Others had different debris on their property miles from the crash site. Some might call that evidence. Physical evidence. Where's the physical evidence of the werewolves...

Bush Co basically f*cked up everything they touched. Yet I'm supposed to believe they were able to orchestrate a massive inside job attack on America, then cover it up and do so in a manner that hasn't leaked out.....really? It's a bit of a stretch for me. Some things I do question though...I...

Evidence?? I thought you were a HUGE supporter of Bush Co?? How can you think 9/11 is an inside job while you went on supporting Bush??