1999 Taurus with lincoln continental D.O.C.H. 4.6

You are definatly going to want that taurus tranny if it bolts up upgraded to take the extra power. All atx sho's had problems with it holding up if driven "sporty" I know on the 2nd gen v6's the 94-95 last 2 years of it before the 8 had a better computer tune which if put into early 2nd gens helped it last longer. Not sure on the 8's only problems I heard of on the yam 8's were to do with the cams. I would definatly get a performance tune that at least changes shifting and run synthetic fluid and maybe an additional tranny cooler. The sho's had a beefed up tranny vs the normal 3.8's and it had trouble. Now granted this is the 3rd gen taurus but i Doubt the beefed it up to hold nearly 100 more hp & tq than its engines supplied stock. I would love to see one of the new sables in a sho setup but I definatly want a tranny that can take the power.
 
JC1994 said:
went to Wichita falls texas sunday,7-24 and bought the engine for 265.00 dollars.it's out of a 95 continental with70,000 miles,I will be keeping everyone posted as the swap of this dohc 4.6 into my 1996 Taurus becomes a reality!!
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awesome!!!,post pics if you can.

i have some buds who dont think its possible,i wanna see it done.

git r done.

mike
 
Nice pics. Good luck with the swap, that is a great deal you got on that motor.
 
ok,awesome,my first question is,will it fit?

seeing the pics and thinking of the look on someones face when they hear that taurus rev,then see it take off,it only weighs 33xx lbs.
makes me wanna mess myself.

cant wait and good luck.

mike
 
That is going to be one fast car. I can't wait till it is finished
 
Moes8 said:
ok,awesome,my first question is,will it fit?

seeing the pics and thinking of the look on someones face when they hear that taurus rev,then see it take off,it only weighs 33xx lbs.
makes me wanna mess myself.

cant wait and good luck.

mike
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Yes it will fit, And I can't wait to see the look on the fart pipe ricer jockeys face :eek2: when they hear this thing! I am going with the most aggresive exhaust sound I can find, and I think Geno's exhaust is the best. I want it to sound BAD ASS!
 
modular engine swap

Besides the Roush GT-40 preped '89 MK VII LSC 5 speed (my baby), my daily driver is a '98 SHO. This discussion has got me really interested. If that Conti motor bolts right in with stock ECM, I'd love to do it...the old Yamaha needs a tune-up anyway.
 
Factor in the price of a new tranny too. You guys are forgeting the AX4N that it's bolted up to. That tranny WILL take a crap on you.........its a ticking time bomb. Mine went out at 53K and the tech said you could have changed the fluid every week and it wouldn't have mattered. It is a very bad design.......and no, an aftermarket tranny cooler, yada yada etc would have made no difference. Yes, that will keep the temps down but this is a design flaw and nothing sans rebuild with drilled valve body, bigger lines, etc will save it. It has been slowly improved over the years but its still a failure from Ford just like the V8 SHO cam fasico. Its a matter of when.......not if. With all that said, i hope it will turn out good for you.
 
Scott Adams said:
Besides the Roush GT-40 preped '89 MK VII LSC 5 speed (my baby), my daily driver is a '98 SHO. This discussion has got me really interested. If that Conti motor bolts right in with stock ECM, I'd love to do it...the old Yamaha needs a tune-up anyway.
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have you fixed the cams in your SHO?
 
CobraConti said:
Factor in the price of a new tranny too. You guys are forgeting the AX4N that it's bolted up to. That tranny WILL take a crap on you.........its a ticking time bomb. Mine went out at 53K and the tech said you could have changed the fluid every week and it wouldn't have mattered. It is a very bad design.......and no, an aftermarket tranny cooler, yada yada etc would have made no difference. Yes, that will keep the temps down but this is a design flaw and nothing sans rebuild with drilled valve body, bigger lines, etc will save it. It has been slowly improved over the years but its still a failure from Ford just like the V8 SHO cam fasico. Its a matter of when.......not if. With all that said, i hope it will turn out good for you.
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who gives a crap about tranny failures? my 1983 425 hp mustang still has the stock t-5 tranny it came with it has about 120,000 miles on it. these t-5's were supposed to be the weakest of all t-5's. it's got a zoom kevlar clutch and a hurst shifter otherwise it's stock.It's all in the way you drive. doing full throttle burnouts in the taurus all the time, no transaxle will take that kind of abuse anyway,not with that much power. still won't stop me from having one. I have a friend who put a T-bird Super Coupe super charged V-6 in a 1984 Pontiac 2M4 Fiero made an adapter and bolted it up to the stock Fiero transaxle.this car had a higher boost s/c pulley,and custom made headers and exhaust. his car was a rocket!! high 10's low 11's and it held up along time before the transaxle broke.
 
CobraConti said:
Factor in the price of a new tranny too. You guys are forgeting the AX4N that it's bolted up to. That tranny WILL take a crap on you.........its a ticking time bomb. Mine went out at 53K and the tech said you could have changed the fluid every week and it wouldn't have mattered. It is a very bad design.......and no, an aftermarket tranny cooler, yada yada etc would have made no difference. Yes, that will keep the temps down but this is a design flaw and nothing sans rebuild with drilled valve body, bigger lines, etc will save it. It has been slowly improved over the years but its still a failure from Ford just like the V8 SHO cam fasico. Its a matter of when.......not if. With all that said, i hope it will turn out good for you.
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what happens is anti freeze gets into the tranny from the tranny fluid cooler in the radiator
 
JC1994 said:
who gives a crap about tranny failures? my 1983 425 hp mustang still has the stock t-5 tranny it came with it has about 120,000 miles on it. these t-5's were supposed to be the weakest of all t-5's. it's got a zoom kevlar clutch and a hurst shifter otherwise it's stock.It's all in the way you drive. doing full throttle burnouts in the taurus all the time, no transaxle will take that kind of abuse anyway,not with that much power. still won't stop me from having one. I have a friend who put a T-bird Super Coupe super charged V-6 in a 1984 Pontiac 2M4 Fiero made an adapter and bolted it up to the stock Fiero transaxle.this car had a higher boost s/c pulley,and custom made headers and exhaust. his car was a rocket!! high 10's low 11's and it held up along time before the transaxle broke.
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alright, just letting you know. :F
 
yeah thanks, I just refuse to let tranny woes scare me. if it breaks it breaks.when I get my mind set on doing something I get very focused and determined. as long as I don't get to crazy it should last a while,it was rebuilt about 40,000 miles ago, :Beer
 
JC1994 said:
Both of my Taurus's have the 3.0 litre OHV Vulcan engines, will the continental engine work with the transaxle that is in these cars? or will I need a continental transaxle?
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Get a tranny that came from this engine. Two things...the calibration will be WAY different on the V6 trans and you will have issues. Next, the tranny behind the 3.0 is junk. Ford has had huge issues with them over the years. The 3.8 uses a stronger trans and hasn't had anywhere near the problems. Still, you will have calibration problems if you don't use one from behind a 4.6 32V.
 
I`m an SHO driver and this thread made it over to v8sho.com .
I`m sure a few will keep an eye on this one .
A few concerns that come to mind are the wide 90o V-8 squeezing in w/out firewall/radiator support mods and the tuning .
A popular SHO/Ford vendor in GA. may be able to work out the tune ???
This guy is good and well respected in the SHO world . http://fordspecialists.com/index.htm
I have not even concidered that the 4.6 would fit , but hey if it has been done , it can be done again .
I`m off to the boneyard today and will pull some measurments from under and over a Lincoln . I just called and they have a few there w/drive trains intact .
It would be nice if the whole unit on subframe would bolt in ???
I`ll admit knowing nothing about the Lincolns , but I`m aboot to go on a crash course ..............
Check out my SHO at http://megafilehosting.com/theebayking/shopainteddone/

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The 4.6L should fit in a taurus pretty easily because it comes standard in the continental which is similar to the taurus chassis
 
Posted on the V8SHO.com mailing list, by member Scott Kreitemeyer:

"I just measured my neighbors Conti with the Intec 4.6

Strut towers are the same distance apart (~35") (this is no suprise)
Firewall to cooling fans (34")... BOTH CARS ARE THE SAME THIS DID SUPRISE ME!

Behind the SHO V8 there is plenty of space, behind the Intec it is MUCH tighter.

Differences.. Almost all of it is in the cowl... Someone may want to put a Continental cowl in the Tortoise to make this happen as our cowl comes forward quite a a bit. If you think our engine compartment is tight then you need to work on one of these Lincolns. I wouldn't be one bit suprised if the Lincoln Subframe and complete driveline bolt into the chassis...."

If the subframe mounts in the same position in the Lincoln as it does in the Taurus, it seems the easiest way to go would be to drop the old Taurus subframe, drivetrain, wheels and all, and bolt up the Lincoln unit. Of course, that sounds way too easy, and I'm guessing there would be some sort of fabrication involved. Personally, I think it would cost less, and be less of a hassle, to buy a rear end totalled Conti with a good drivetrain to use for a donor car. That way, you'd have the wiring harnesses, PCM, and correct transmission.

Speaking of transmissions, even if the AX4S does bolt up (and I think it will), it isn't going to last long. From what I understand, the Conti 4N is beefier than the V8SHO 4N, which is light years ahead of the 4S.

As someone mentioned, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when it will go. Someone else mentioned www.fordspecialists.com. Doug Lewis, owner of the business, is very well versed in PCM reprogramming, and has done a lot of tuning with the SCT stuff. He's also a good source for transmission rebuilding, and a Ford/Lincoln certified tech. To say the least, he's on the ball about everything he does.

A link to this thread was posted over on www.tauruscarclub.com, of which I'm the President. Some of our members are having a hard time believing the story about the '03 Sable with the 4.6, because of the sheer size of the engine. I was at first, too, until the above dimensions were posted.

Without a doubt, I'm VERY interested in this project, and can't wait to see it finished!

Regards,

Bob
 
Well all I have heard is how this won't work.I did all the measuring myself. I think the whole front subframe from the lincoln continental will bolt under the Taurus. I love it when people tell me it can't be done,makes me just that much more determined! :Beer :wrench
 
JC1994 said:
Well all I have heard is how this won't work.I did all the measuring myself. I think the whole front subframe from the lincoln continental will bolt under the Taurus. I love it when people tell me it can't be done,makes me just that much more determined! :Beer :wrench
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awesome,,
prove em all wrong, i cant wait.


mike
 
LATEST UPDATE....... Well I just bought the first part for my swap!!! supercharger? turbo? nitrous? well that is the next thing!! YEP you guessed it a rear spoiler!!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!! hey man priorities must come first! as far as body mods thats all I'm doing. this ones gonna look stock! and yes it's a stock one. no ricer sh!t on my cars!! drove to Indianapolis friday to go see ozz fest came back monday. 1480 miles round trip, got 22.9 mpg in the Mark VIII.A/C on the whole way, driving about 75-85 mph. no problems at all!! you can't get any premium any higher than 91 here at home,but once I got east of here,in missouri I could get amoco 93 octane.MAN!! that really made a big improvement in power. these cars stock run the best with 93 octane. also added lucas full sythetic oil stabilizer 1 quart of it to 5 quarts of 10W30 mobil one synthetic,I don't run 5W30 in my cars its just to thin for all the hot 90-100 degree days around here. also tried some of the fuel system additive too,and the tranny additive excellent stuff!! all of their stuff is superior to any other stuff out there. BG make good stuff too but it can be hard to find. they sell it around here, but it's pricey stuff and doesn't work any better..
:Beer
 
I think this swap is cool and all that but why not just buy a Continental. They are dirt cheap and the '95 and up are the real deal. Lots of grandmas and grandpas driving the car only to church and the store. It is a sleeper and a steal at the same time for a 4 door car.


I would like to see a photochop of one sometime.
 
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