2009 Lincoln MKS revealed @ LA Auto Show!
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eastcoastLS
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knowing ford, they will probably nix the power and awd idea and drop in a 4 banger
daves2000ls
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friggin battery is up front
AndrewCoja
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Even worse if it's a taurus. I used to have a Five Hundred, I hated that car. It's too big. This is worse than the LS if it is hauling around all that weight with just 270, versus the smaller LS with 280.
Maybe they should just put the MKR into production, looks a lot nicer.
And you've seen how our LS8's dyno right....ok
IF a TT does come out you bet your ass it will roast my LS8 and yours.
Again, where do I sign?
AndrewCoja
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You can sign right here, but it's your checkbook and it's a 50K check written out to me. For an MKR.
JoeyLincolnMK8
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Just think about it, if Ford drops the TT V6 idea and leaves the engine they have in it now. The "S" in MKS will mean "SLOW", the car's curb weight will probably be in the upper 4k (maybe 4100ish). The car will most likely do a 16 second quarter mile time...lol
AndrewCoja
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Maybe if they realize how :q:q:q:qty the MKS is, they will come to their senses and start producing a producable version of the MKR.
captainalias
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True, but the Duratec 3.7L doesn't require premium fuel to achieve the rating, and is comparable to the 3.7L on the Infiniti G-series of cars. And those Infinitis compared well to the LS.
captainalias
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captainalias
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Well, at least heated/cooled front seats and heated rear seats come standard. 
The interior is much better looking than my LS- my LS comparatively is like plastic city.
The interior is much better looking than my LS- my LS comparatively is like plastic city.
The dyno numbers I've seen on the 2nd Gen LS V8 indicate that the 280hp figure is pretty darn close to right on the money, and the MKS's D37 was almost certainly dyno'd on the same dynos. And 280hp is still greater than 270hp.
When the 3.5TF goes into the MKS and the D37 is up-rated to match, then we can talk about the MKS having more power. When the MKS is launched next summer, it will NOT have more power than a 2nd Gen LS V8.
That's beside the point. The MKS, at introduction, will have less power than the 2nd Gen LS V8, not more, which was the previous poster's statement. That's all I was refuting.
The MKS is not, by any stretch of the imagination a ":q" car. It may not be what you want in a car, but it is in no way, shape, or form, a ":q" car. It is, in point of fact, an exceptionally well appointed luxury car, particularly at its price point, which is comparable to a 2nd Gen LS V8. I mean, take a look at the list of standard features; can you buy a car with those features for anywhere close to that price?
And the MKS and MKR are not mutually exclusive; they're aimed at very different market segments. If the MKS continues Lincoln's rebound, I would expect to see the MKR on the street in a few years.
captainalias
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I completely agree- the 272 hp is a bit of a disappointment- surely they could coax more power out of it, but I've also heard that it may be replaced by a GDI version with around 300 next year.
One of the reports I've heard is that the D37 is rated at 270hp right now because they're having to work on the chassis to get it to handle the higher output. Once they have that sorted and the 3.5TF ready to go, they're supposed to introduce a higher-output version of the D37, rumored to be around 300hp.
captainalias
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jlser
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It's a Volvo
The MKS is really just a Volvo S80 with different sheet metal and engine. At least you can get an S80 with a 311HP V8 and AWD.
The MKS is really just a Volvo S80 with different sheet metal and engine. At least you can get an S80 with a 311HP V8 and AWD.
You can get (or will be able to get, once it's released) an MKS with AWD. You'll also be able to get it with AWD and a 350hp (or more) twin turbo V6 when the 3.5TF goes into the car in '09. D3 is based on the Volvo platform that's under the S80, but calling it "just a Volvo" with "different sheet metal" is doing a big disservice to the engineers at Ford and Lincoln who've adapted it to meet US market needs.
eastcoastLS
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i think the s80 looks 100 times better, as far as outside not sure about the interior
captainalias
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Can't please 'em all.
Just think, Lincoln has done quite well the past several quarters, posting double digit growth, and those sales were due to rebadged Fusions and Edges, a la the MKZ and MKX! Take the MKS, which is a fairly original design, and not a rebadge. You may not buy it, but I think Lincoln is in a very good position to spring back.
Me personally, I'll take that twinforce motor and start messing with a microcontroller and try to get an LS up and running with it... I just don't see the extra value in rebadging a Taurus as a Lincoln... granted, the Taurus is a decent car (as was the OLD S80 chassis its based on,) but WHY oh why the insistance on FWD/AWD combos... how the hell can the Evo and WRX have BALANCED AWD systems in little pocket rockets, but we get these damned 60%front/40%rear biased setups in cars like the AWD fusion and Tausrus (and, likewise MKX and MKS) I guess I just have to accept the fact that most people want a grocery getter, even if its a Lincoln... The only way to get a TRUE Luxury Sport is to buy German or build your own... good thing I'll soon have an '06 LS and can start to rebuild the '03 into what the LS SHOULD have been from the factory! lol (QuikLS's SC is cool and all... but I'm wondering what a nice, twin turbo Duratech with the boost tweaked will do in comparison... er, until I snap the friggin halfshafts... WHY do I have a feeling that 500+hp in the LS is gonna give me lots of spare work in my new machine shop?!?
The only way to get a TRUE Luxury Sport is to buy German or build your own... good thing I'll soon have an '06 LS and can start to rebuild the '03 into what the LS SHOULD have been from the factory! lol (QuikLS's SC is cool and all... but I'm wondering what a nice, twin turbo Duratech with the boost tweaked will do in comparison... er, until I snap the friggin halfshafts... WHY do I have a feeling that 500+hp in the LS is gonna give me lots of spare work in my new machine shop?!?PS: What's the list on this thing? $46 or so? I can take a $20K, 20,000 mile LS and do a LOT with the left over $25k... like buy a brand new S-Type R 4.2 and spend the time to crack the damned computer and make it work... and have a better nav system, better tires, better wheels, the list goes on... of course, there'd be the little issue of no waranty! ;-)
captainalias
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Actually, it's $38K. Look at the standard features page.