Darn close? Right on the money?
Yeah right, have you seen the dyno sheets? They are no where near 280, lets try your research again.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=36720
2009 Lincoln MKS revealed @ LA Auto Show!
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Darn close? Right on the money?
Yeah right, have you seen the dyno sheets? They are no where near 280, lets try your research again.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=36720
Umm, chassis dynos show figures at the drive wheels. Manufacturer's ratings are at the crank. If you put an MKS on a chassis dyno, it won't come near 270hp, either; there's normally on the order of 20% loss in the driveline. On a 280hp LS, if you assume 22% driveline loss, that would put it at 218.4hp at the rear wheels, which is pretty close to the numbers I've seen for stock 2nd Gen LS V8s; if you say it's only 20%, that's still only 224hp at the wheels, which is still pretty damn close.
I understand that but when you say its close to 280 then you would be correct but as far as ground power, no.
Next time I want an explanation like that, I'll google it and cut and paste it myself.
captainalias
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Really? I've never seen that detailed an explanation before on google.
Obviously, one of us is missing something. Nowhere have I ever said, or even implied, that the LS puts 280hp on the ground, only that the evidence supports Lincoln's 280hp rating for the 2nd Gen LS V8. Given the lack of wheel HP figures for the MKS, there's no point in trying to compare the two cars on that basis; the crankshaft figures are all we have to form the basis of a comparison.
Here are the germane facts:
1) The MKS is rated at 270hp at the crankshaft.
2) The 2nd Gen LS V8 is rated at 280hp at the crankshaft.
The original statement was that the MKS has more power than the LS, which is an incorrect statement, because 270hp is always less than 280hp, even for very large values of 270.
That is all that was in question, and that is all that was refuted, no more, and no less.
captainalias
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* Engine: 3.7L DOHC V6
o Performance: 270 hp (201 kW) @ 5,500 rpm / 265 ft·lbf (359 N·m) @ 3,000 rpm
* Transmission: 6-speed select shift automatic
* Chassis layout: All-wheel drive
o Front suspension: Independent, MacPherson strut, rearward-facing lower L-control arms and stabilizer bar
o Rear suspension: Independent, multilink coil over shock and stabilizer bar
o Wheelbase: 114.4 in. (2906 mm)
o Overall length: 203.8 in. (5176 mm)
o Overall width: 75.5 in. (1912 mm)
o Front track width: 65.2 in. (1656 mm)
o Rear track width: 65.6 in. (1666 mm)
o Front overhang: 40.4 in. (1026 mm)
o Rear overhang 49.1 in. (1247 mm)
* Tires: 245/45/R20 tires on 20 x 8.5-in. polished aluminum wheels
I believe the curbweight of the FWD version is about 4000 lbs, and the AWD version clocks in around 4100 lbs.
If you go here ( http://www.lincoln.com/reachhigher/?intcmp=B_Lincoln07_LHomeNews_RHHome_20071114 ) and click on the "SPECS" link at the bottom of the page, you'll eventually see a button marked PRINTSPECS that'll give you a PDF of the MKS's specs; I tried to upload it, but it's too big.
The curb weight of the MKS is 4127lbs (FWD) or 4276lbs (AWD), according to that document.
The curb weight of the MKS is 4127lbs (FWD) or 4276lbs (AWD), according to that document.
captainalias
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Haha, this guy's fingers are too fat, and he says the MKS buttons are too small.
Youtube videos:
Interior:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ds7UrHo7ig&eurl
Tech Features- heat sensitive keyless entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBkMfyZWtk&feature=user
My feeling is the MKS release is going to mirror the Zephyr a bit- pre-release with an underpowered engine, then a major tweaking after the first year. A TT V6 with V-8 like power might not be too bad if gas prices continue the way they're going.
Youtube videos:
Interior:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ds7UrHo7ig&eurl
Tech Features- heat sensitive keyless entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBkMfyZWtk&feature=user
My feeling is the MKS release is going to mirror the Zephyr a bit- pre-release with an underpowered engine, then a major tweaking after the first year. A TT V6 with V-8 like power might not be too bad if gas prices continue the way they're going.
JoeyLincolnMK8
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How come ford doesn't beef up the V6 in that car? I mean, infiniti has their V6's pushing over 300HP and keeping good MPGs! WTF ford??? Im sorry but the MKS drivetrain is not in the same class as the V6 G35 sedan, or V6 Lexus GS350 or IS350! Sorry Ford, but you lose in all possible ways!
From what I've heard, they're having to work on the chassis to get it to handle the output of the D37. The drivetrain will be significantly improved when they solve those problems and get the 3.5L TwinForce ready to go; the rumors are that the D37 will go to ~300hp when the 3.5TF goes into the MKS.
But...the HP figures aren't the key to the MKS--it's going to have the power, but the MKS is about the luxury, not the sportiness. The MKS is going to have more sportiness than most previous Lincolns, but it's really the Continental's (and maybe the Town Car's) successor, not the LS's successor. For the LS's successor, we're going to have to wait for the MKR.
ToddG
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To compare, the LS has:
Wheelbase: 114.5 in.
Overall Length: 194.4 in.
Overall Width: 80.1 in.
Front Track: 60.5 in.
Rear Track: 60.8 in.
So, the wheelbase is about the same between the MKS and the LS. The MKS is longer, but the LS is wider.