Another Mark with Blow Air Suspension :(

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This started about 1-month ago. The front bags no longer hold air for more than a couple of hours. I'm most likely going to do a spring conversion as fixing the air suspension is more than the car is worth. I won't just need front air struts, my compressor sounds like a 50-year old refrigerator and I'm sure my rear bags can't be too far behind in leaking. Not to mention the suspension sensors and relays that are bound to break on my north east daily driver.

To add to my suspension woes I've got a front end clunk back again. I'm hoping it's not my upper control arms again as they've only been in for 32k miles and a little over 2-years. :(

Enjoy these familiar lowered (broken) pics. The last pic does look kinda cool............

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This started about 1-month ago. The front bags no longer hold air for more than a couple of hours. I'm most likely going to do a spring conversion as fixing the air suspension is more than the car is worth. I won't just need front air struts, my compressor sounds like a 50-year old refrigerator and I'm sure my rear bags can't be too far behind in leaking. Not to mention the suspension sensors and relays that are bound to break on my north east daily driver.

To add to my suspension woes I've got a front end clunk back again. I'm hoping it's not my upper control arms again as they've only been in for 32k miles and a little over 2-years. :(

Enjoy these familiar lowered (broken) pics. The last pic does look kinda cool............


First & foremost... GORGEOUS Mark! Deserves to be fixed asap. 2nd... You can't go wrong with GMAN's springs. SUPER CHEAP! Problem solved. I did the same thing to the last 3 Mark VIII's I've owned & I have no regrets!
 
Even though I am completely against springs, buy em and save for air. it’s a great price and it will keep you going for a while.
 
Even though I am completely against springs, buy em and save for air. it’s a great price and it will keep you going for a while.

LOL I can afford to stay with air, but can't really justify it. In my experience, that started with my 93 Mark, keeping up with an old and dying air suspension can be a BIG money pit. I did finally convert that car to springs after spending too much trying to stay on air.

I'm going to get American Air's spring conversion. That is the kit I installed on my 93.
 
I have one front air spring for the Mark VIII that is almost new; the other one I sold. If you have only one bad one, I can sell you this one. I'm not sure what side it is, but I'll let you know after I look in the morning.
 
To add to my suspension woes I've got a front end clunk back again. I'm hoping it's not my upper control arms again as they've only been in for 32k miles and a little over 2-years. :(

I doubt it's the control arms, we've replaced both the LCA's and UCA's. More likely it's the sway bar end links. But feel free to bring it around and we'll figure it out. :cool:
 
LOL I can afford to stay with air, but can't really justify it. In my experience, that started with my 93 Mark, keeping up with an old and dying air suspension can be a BIG money pit. I did finally convert that car to springs after spending too much trying to stay on air.

I'm going to get American Air's spring conversion. That is the kit I installed on my 93.

If you can afford to stay on air, why not do it? New Motorcraft OEM front air shocks will be good for about 15 years. Rears last forever (mine started leaking when the car hit about 190k miles:D). Get a new compressor too and you're good to go. I've spent $370 on my Arnott front air shocks and (knock on wood) they're doing fine going on 3 years. That's all I've spent on my '97 LSC's air ride since we got it. Air ride isn't all that expensive to maintain in my experience. And I've been driving Mark VIII's as daily drivers for over 12 years. But to each his own. If you wanna go coils and turn your Mark into just another T-Bird with a DOCH engine, go for it hot rod;)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008UAUIW2/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=A13WNU6HX3T0IE



Here's a whole new air ride for ya!

Aren't those front air shocks the old style Arnotts?
 

New? Your kidding right? Those front struts are "rebagged" only. Your still dealing with the shock portion that has God knows how many miles on them. Even with the new bladders, they only last 2 maybe 3 years before they start leaking. As far as the compressor goes, its just a clean & paint job. I have pictures of one of their so called "rebuilds". They don't replace bearings or anything and only half fill their dryers.

Do your research on ALL the forums if you don't believe me.
 
If you can afford to stay on air, why not do it? New Motorcraft OEM front air shocks will be good for about 15 years. Rears last forever (mine started leaking when the car hit about 190k miles:D). Get a new compressor too and you're good to go. I've spent $370 on my Arnott front air shocks and (knock on wood) they're doing fine going on 3 years. That's all I've spent on my '97 LSC's air ride since we got it. Air ride isn't all that expensive to maintain in my experience. And I've been driving Mark VIII's as daily drivers for over 12 years. But to each his own. If you wanna go coils and turn your Mark into just another T-Bird with a DOCH engine, go for it hot rod;)



Aren't those front air shocks the old style Arnotts?

I've used the Arnott remanufactered front air struts before on my 1993 and they rode like crap. At the time I think it was determined that they only remanufactured the bag and not the shock (this was many years ago). They may have improved them now, but I'm not risking that. The only air struts I'd use now are the new OEM ones for $900. Then add and new compressor $200 then some new rear bags for another $200 and it might work for a while. That still leaves me with some 14-year old rust belt suspension sensors and suspension relays that are bound to go also. I've started down the air suspension money pit road before, not doing it again. I know the southern cars will have some of these parts last the life of the car.

If I had a prettier, lower mileage Mark in better condition all around I'd dump the right money into the suspension, but my car is maybe worth $2k, maybe.

Ken
 
I've used the Arnott remanufactered front air struts...

Arnott air SHOCKS are not remaufactured. They are (were) brand new units. I think you may be thinking of another brand. I can't remember it off the top of my head.

before on my 1993 and they rode like crap.

I have to admit, they're not the best in the world:) The ones I have on my car are a bit soft. But they still ride quite well. They are a lot better than the old style before they upgraded.

At the time I think it was determined that they only remanufactured the bag and not the shock (this was many years ago). They may have improved them now, but I'm not risking that.

Apparently they did improve them quite a bit. Unfortunately, Arnott doesn't make their front air SHOCKS for the Mark anymore and they don't forsee ever producing them again according to an e-mail I got from them a few weeks ago.

The only air struts I'd use now are the new OEM ones for $900.

Ouch! Check with Nolimit95. I think he knows where to get a pair of OEM air SHOCKS for substantially less than that.

Then add and new compressor $200 then some new rear bags for another $200 and it might work for a while.

Actually, it'll probably work like a charm for the life of the car if everything is new OEM Motorcraft. You'll never have to touch it again.

That still leaves me with some 14-year old rust belt suspension sensors and suspension relays that are bound to go also.

I just haven't heard of sensors or relays going bad that often. I have never had any problems at all with any of the electronics. YMMV.

I've started down the air suspension money pit road before, not doing it again. I know the southern cars will have some of these parts last the life of the car.

If it's all OEM Motorcraft, it won't matter if it's southern, northern, eastern, western, or martian. It'll go on for years and years without major issues.

If I had a prettier, lower mileage Mark in better condition all around I'd dump the right money into the suspension, but my car is maybe worth $2k, maybe.

Ken

My car probably isn't worth that much. It has 210k miles on it. The clearcoat is peeling. The dash is cracked. The neon doesn't work. The blend door is broken. The leather is starting to crack. I could go on and on. But I'm still on air and other than replacing the front air SHOCKS, rear springs, and rear shocks, I've had no other issues with the air ride. And all that was done for about $400 with brand new front SHOCKS, rear shocks, and good used rear springs.

But like I said, to each his own. Everybody's experience is different. I've had pretty good luck with the air ride on the two Marks I've owned over the last 12 years. I'm staying on air for as long as I can. I'm hoping to get a couple of new OEM Motorcraft front air SHOCKS with my tax return if they're still around. If not, I'll make the Arnotts last as long as I can. I love my air ride and that's what makes our cars Lincolns. If they had plain old coils, they would be nothing more than a Thunderbird in a tuxedo.

And these cars are Mark VIII's, not Mark VII's. We have upper and lower control arms in front, not struts. The Mark VII, built on the Fox chassis, had McPherson struts. Our cars have a proper front suspension design. Mark VIII's don't have struts. Sorry, had to harp a little:D
 
I found one shock for $207 and the other for $306 just a couple of months ago from RockAuto. I monitor the prices of certain things there because I think they fluctuate based on supply and demand. The sensors can be found used all day long on eBay for $25 and they are super easy to replace. I have a nice stash. Vent solenoids are also really cheap. The Motorcraft front shocks come with them. I'm still on my original air suspension except for one LH Ride Height Sensor to the tune of $25 and my car is sensor lowered. Here's the link to RockAuto:

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?carcode=1188558&parttype=15005

You have to do a search for AVS16 for some reason, but they do stock it. Hmm... looks like they're out of the 16, but you can find them on Amazon, too. Good luck! Here for Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-AV...?ie=UTF8&qid=1354300605&sr=8-1&keywords=avs16

AND the other one (less than $600 for both!!!)

http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-AV...&ie=UTF8&qid=1354300656&sr=1-1&keywords=avs17
 
I found one shock for $207 and the other for $306 just a couple of months ago from RockAuto. I monitor the prices of certain things there because I think they fluctuate based on supply and demand. The sensors can be found used all day long on eBay for $25 and they are super easy to replace. I have a nice stash. Vent solenoids are also really cheap. The Motorcraft front shocks come with them. I'm still on my original air suspension except for one LH Ride Height Sensor to the tune of $25 and my car is sensor lowered. Here's the link to RockAuto:

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?carcode=1188558&parttype=15005

You have to do a search for AVS16 for some reason, but they do stock it. Hmm... looks like they're out of the 16, but you can find them on Amazon, too. Good luck! Here for Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-AV...?ie=UTF8&qid=1354300605&sr=8-1&keywords=avs16

AND the other one (less than $600 for both!!!)

http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-AV...&ie=UTF8&qid=1354300656&sr=1-1&keywords=avs17
I NEVER would have thought to look on Amazon for new OEM air struts, Great Find!! :D Amazon really does sell everything. Their price is $595 for both with no tax and free shipping (I'm a prime member). This may be enough to change my mind and stay with air!! Maybe Amazon has Gen II headlight housings? :)
 
I love my air ride and that's what makes our cars Lincolns. If they had plain old coils, they would be nothing more than a Thunderbird in a tuxedo.

Well Said Sir!

You have to do a search for AVS16 for some reason, but they do stock it. Hmm... looks like they're out of the 16, but you can find them on Amazon, too. Good luck! Here for Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-AV...?ie=UTF8&qid=1354300605&sr=8-1&keywords=avs16

AND the other one (less than $600 for both!!!)

http://www.amazon.com/Motorcraft-AV...&ie=UTF8&qid=1354300656&sr=1-1&keywords=avs17

Can I barrow $600 :D
 
Get those Motorcrafts and be done with it and ride better than anyone on conversions.

This is for you, man. I know you'll get a kick out of it.

Wait for it...

I NEVER would have thought to look on Amazon for new OEM air struts, Great Find!! :D Amazon really does sell everything. Their price is $595 for both with no tax and free shipping (I'm a prime member). This may be enough to change my mind and stay with air!! Maybe Amazon has Gen II headlight housings? :)

OMGOMGOMGOMG!!! You said it AGAIN:eek: I mean my gawd! Even Amazon knows they aren't struts!!! Come on!!!!


Okay:rolleyes: I'll get down off my soapbox now. I have to do this every so often. I know it won't change anything. People are going to continue to use incorrect terminology regardless of how many times they are told the correct term for a particular part. I don't understand it. It ain't rocket science. And don't think I don't know you used that incorrect term just to get me riled up. Others have done it before. Keeps the place lively:D

And I've been using Amazon for a while now to buy front suspension parts. Hopefully I can get a set of FRONT AIR SHOCKS at tax time if there are any left.

I may even get a pair of STRUTS for my Fox body Mustang Cobra eventually:rolleyes::cool:

Once again, just for future reference:

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