Custom LS vs. 2 CTS-V at One Lap of America Event

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We really do need a Lincoln vs. Cadillac competition!

The Lincoln 430 HP Custom LS starts its journey today in the Cannonball One Lap of America Driving Event!

From the Ford.com site:

Lincoln OLOA Press Release :
http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=17650

DEARBORN, April 29, 2004 -- Start your engines, and stock up on the No-Doz.
The One Lap of America driving event is about to begin, and this year for the first time ever, Lincoln is entering the competition with a supercharged 430-horsepower LS.

Full coverage at:
http://www.llsoc.com/V2R1/OLOA/default.asp

Go Lincoln!!

The Event info:
http://www.onelapofamerica.com

:V :V
 
Now that's an LS that I would consider owning!

People are doing crazy things with the 2 valve motors. I just read an article in Super Rod about a 2 valve Kenne Bell equipped motor that was cranking out soem serious HP. From a baseline run of 260HP and 345 ft/lbs of torque, they managed an impressive 407HP (N/A) BEFORE the Kenne Bell. Bolting on the KB added 163HP to bring the total to 570HP! All on a stock wrecking yard short block.

Kale
 
djKale said:
Now that's an LS that I would consider owning!

People are doing crazy things with the 2 valve motors. I just read an article in Super Rod about a 2 valve Kenne Bell equipped motor that was cranking out soem serious HP. From a baseline run of 260HP and 345 ft/lbs of torque, they managed an impressive 407HP (N/A) BEFORE the Kenne Bell. Bolting on the KB added 163HP to bring the total to 570HP! All on a stock wrecking yard short block.

Kale
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I have a customer that is willing to let NOTHING stand in the way of a Supercharged LS8 dream that he has.

He has found a wrecked Supercharged Jag that he is negotiating price with as I write this.
He wants us to swap out the engine/trans, computer and needed wiring to the LS.

Should be neat, I hope he gets it.
 
can someone educated me real quick, i am kinda starting to learn about the mechanical partrs of casrs now but I really dont know anything yet. Can you tell me what 2 valves as compared to a regular engine?
 
Every car has a minimum of 2 valves per cylinder, one for intake, one for exhaust. Some higher performance engines use 4 valves, 2 valves each to increase the surface area of the cylinder. The more air that can get in per piston stroke, the more power the car can make. So typically, a 4 valve car can make more power than a 2 valve car.
 
2 valve explanation

felo3769 said:
can someone educated me real quick, i am kinda starting to learn about the mechanical partrs of casrs now but I really dont know anything yet. Can you tell me what 2 valves as compared to a regular engine?
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First off 2 valve has been the norm for many years, but that was generally a 2 valve, overhead valve engine with standard rocker arms and pushrods.

In current speak, 2 valve is a 2 valve per cylinder ( 1 intake and 1 exhaust ) and an overhead cam with cam followers that directly actuate the valves and adjustment is performed with lash caps ( a form of shims ).

There are also multivalve engines 3v, 4v and 5v and more from many manufacturers, Ford uses 4 valve dual overhead cam engines in the Cobra and Lincoln LS among others. With multivalve engines your whole valvetrain can be lighter and although the valve diameter is smaller than a 2 valve engine you have more surface area with 3 or more valves even though the valves themself are smaller they will move more air ( an engine is really just an air pump )

I'm not a mechanical engineer and my description may not be perfect, but I've donated enough skin and blood to the cause to know that this is essentially correct.

Thanks,

John V. (Jay) Bailey
doctorj0@yahoo.com
 
so why would people be going crazy over the 2 valve engines (like onebadmk8 said) if engines with more valves will move more air? Am I not getting something?
 
also, can someone tell me why, with all the power they put it, why they didnt throw in a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission and stuck with a 4 speed auto?
 
felo3769 said:
also, can someone tell me why, with all the power they put it, why they didnt throw in a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission and stuck with a 4 speed auto?
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Team LS didn't have time to modify the transmission. It was slated for a 6 speed manual. If this car ever came to fruition it would be offered in a 6 speed manual. Here's a list of the car specs:

Vehicle
* Model: 2004 Lincoln LS
* Seats: SPARCO driver racing seat with 5 pt seating harness

Powertrain
* Specification: 2004 Roush 4.6L 2V Stage 3
* Supercharger: Roush M-90 with air to liquid intercooler at 10 psi of boost
* Headers: Ford Motor-Sport stainless steel
* Horsepower / Torque: 430 Hp @ 5250 rpm / 430 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm (Est.)

Transmission
* Model: 4R75W 4spd automatic
* Calibration: Unique transmission calibration for reduced shift times
* Temperature Monitoring: Unique algorithm to limit power/torque to prevent overheating

Exhaust
* Mufflers / Cats: Removed for increased flow
* H-Pipe: Replaced with X-Pipe to optimize pressure scavenging
* Sizing: Replaced cold-side with 2.5" stainless tubing
* Tip: Polished S197 Mustang tip

Aerodynamics
* Front / Rear: Aero kickers for high speed / crosswind stability
* Underbelly: Front undercarriage shield for reduction of front axle lift
* Deck-lid: 5-way adjustable rear deck-lid spoiler

Chassis
Wheels / Tires
* Front: Forged BBS 18 x 9 – P275/35/18 (Michelin Pilot Sport2)
* Rear: Forged BBS 18 x 9 – P275/35/18 (Michelin Pilot Sport2)

Rear Differential
* Differential: TORSEN limited slip with 3.58 ratio
* Half Shafts: 2002 T-bird (40mm)

Springs / Shocks / Stabar / Toe-link
* F/R Spring Rates: 61 / 63 N/mm
* F/R Stabar: 31.5mm Grippy / 21mm Solid
* F/R Shocks: LEDA 24-way adjustable dampers with adjustable spring perch
* Rear toe-link: Replaced compliant toe-link with solid link

Brakes
* Front: 330 mm – Cobra Brembo rotors with unique friction material
* Rear: Unique friction material
* F/R lines: Stainless / braided lines
* Ducts: Front brake cooling ducts

Ride Heights
* Front: Lowered 25 mm
* Rear: Lowered 20 mm

Alignment
* Front: Increased Camber to –1.5 deg
* Rear: Increased Camber to –1.3 deg
 
This is a re-cap of today's first event:

In case you missed the first day's results, the OLOA LS placed 4th overall behind: 1.) Porsche 911, 2.) Porsche 911 C2 and 3.) Porsche 911 GT3. The LS pulled .912 Gs in the Wet Skid Pad run and earned 395 points. The Porsches pulled .93, .928 and .915 Gs respectively. Needless to say, the LS is ranked first in its class at this point.

The two CTS-Vs in competition ranked 30th and 33rd overall.

Imagine the face on the Cadillac and Subaru team.

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wow Lincoln is fainlly making a big move! its about time. And wow, 3 porsches and like emril would say BAM! a LS!!!!! :p :p and that is great, a Roush stage 3 engine!!!! its given me goosebumbs just thinking of all that power in an LS!!!! thats mroe than twice than what i have in it now!!! :p :p
 
Okay, so the first day was a Wet Pavement Skid Pad test. That is a test of your tires more than anything else when the skidpad is wet.

Yesterday, they hit the track at Heartland Park.

In round one the top 5 were:

1 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 5:03.183 410
Paul Gerrard,
2 25 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 5:10.751 405
Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran
3 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:10.887 400
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 5:13.026 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 5:13.292 390
David Murry, Royal Ford

I don't know what a Ram 1500 (not even an SRT-10)is doing up there in the standings, but that has to be one impressive truck. Dodge's own Viper came in at 11.

As for our boys?

18 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:28.192 325
John Bender, Reed Kryder

46 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:55.962 185
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

64 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 6:10.310 95
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia


Also notice that the LS is in the Mid-priced Sedan class and not the Luxury Sedan class like the V's. They're really not competing with each other (and how did Lincoln get in that class?)
 
Heartland Park - Round 3

The top 5 were:

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 4:55.177 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 4:57.579 405
David Murry, Royal Ford
3 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 4:58.435 400
Paul Gerrard,
4 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 5:01.142 395
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
5 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 5:01.972 390
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore


The ones that matter ;) :

16 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:22.675 335
John Bender, Reed Kryder

46 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 5:47.444 185
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

72 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed DNS/DNF 0
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia


The Lincoln is slipping and I'm starting to wonder if the guys in the #44 CTS-V can drive...
Does anyone know what modifications have been done, if anything, to the competing CTS-Vs?
 
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Heartland Park - Round 4 - Drag Race

The top 5:


1 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 0:12.179 410
Paul Gerrard,
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 0:12.202 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 6 Ford Mustang SSGT2 BB 0:12.366 400
Danny Schlickenmeyer, David Lillard
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 0:12.560 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 0:12.645 390
David Murry, Royal Ford


The ones that matter:

28 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 0:14.102 275
John Bender, Reed Kryder

34 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 0:14.434 245
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

73 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed DNS/DNF 0
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia

It looks like Team Lincoln dropped out of the event... :(
Also, what is up with the V times? The 3.6L V6 CTS could run down the strip that fast. We should be seeing 13's.
 
Heartland Park - Round 5 - Bracket Racing

The top 5 were:

1 94 Buick Ranier CXL S U V 410
Fay Teal, C. David Teal, Ronald Pizor
2 14 BMW M5 Luxury Sed 405
Roy Hopkins, Adrienne Hughes, Nancy Becker
3 39 Subaru WRX MidPri Sed 400
Blake Fuller, Peter Fuller
4 15 Porsche 911 Vint For 395
Glen Clarke, Louis Frlan III
5 71 Nissan Sentra Econo Car 390
Mike Roberts, Jonathan Faught, Scott Faught
5 70 Dodge Neon Econo Car 390
Dale Seeley, Jamin Cummings, Dunnie Morgan
5 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 390
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
5 58 Infinity G35X MidPri Sed 390
Dan Schaut, Stan Milam
5 82 Chevy S 10 S U V 390
Glen Dodd, Charles Lovelady, Michael Stein MD


The ones that matter:

7 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 380
John Bender, Reed Kryder

8 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 375
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

The Lincoln LS didn't compete again...
 
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Gothicaleigh said:
Heartland Park - Round 5 - Bracket Racing

The top 5 were:

1 94 Buick Ranier CXL S U V 410
Fay Teal, C. David Teal, Ronald Pizor
2 14 BMW M5 Luxury Sed 405
Roy Hopkins, Adrienne Hughes, Nancy Becker
3 39 Subaru WRX MidPri Sed 400
Blake Fuller, Peter Fuller
4 15 Porsche 911 Vint For 395
Glen Clarke, Louis Frlan III
5 71 Nissan Sentra Econo Car 390
Mike Roberts, Jonathan Faught, Scott Faught
5 70 Dodge Neon Econo Car 390
Dale Seeley, Jamin Cummings, Dunnie Morgan
5 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 390
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
5 58 Infinity G35X MidPri Sed 390
Dan Schaut, Stan Milam
5 82 Chevy S 10 S U V 390
Glen Dodd, Charles Lovelady, Michael Stein MD


The ones that matter:

7 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 380
John Bender, Reed Kryder

8 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 375
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

The Lincoln LS didn't compete again...
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I believe the LS was having over heating problems. When they installed the Roush motor they kept the LS radiator so I'm thinking it's not cooling right.
 
GrayGhost1 said:
I believe the LS was having over heating problems. When they installed the Roush motor they kept the LS radiator so I'm thinking it's not cooling right.
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Will it be back then, or does not competing disqualify it? Also, can the cars be modified midway through the series?
 
thats funny that someone is putting a 4.0 S/C AJ V-8 into a LS I asked the same question a few posts down in Lincoln Q's from a Caddy guy. I would think more people would have done or be doing the swap by now.
 
germeezy1 said:
thats funny that someone is putting a 4.0 S/C AJ V-8 into a LS I asked the same question a few posts down in Lincoln Q's from a Caddy guy. I would think more people would have done or be doing the swap by now.
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It's not the Jag motor.

"" Specification:
*2004 Roush 4.6L 2V Stage 3
* Supercharger: Roush M-90 with air to liquid intercooler at 10 psi of boost
* Headers: Ford Motor-Sport stainless steel
* Horsepower / Torque: 430 Hp @ 5250 rpm / 430 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm (Est.)""
 
germeezy1 said:
thats funny that someone is putting a 4.0 S/C AJ V-8 into a LS I asked the same question a few posts down in Lincoln Q's from a Caddy guy. I would think more people would have done or be doing the swap by now.
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didnt they put a 4.6? the ls already comes with a 3.9 :steering
 
The reason sometimes people go for something like a 2v vs a 4 or 5 valve or a sohc or ohv vs a dohc is simplicity. The technologies can be more efficent and provide more power but are also more complicated. Also many of those "h.o." motors are also higher maintnance. I.e. the yamaha motor in the sho's are supposed to have the lifters checked and if needed reshimmed at 60k as well as a timing belt is also a good idea around that mileage as well on that type of engine. Not necessary but a good idea. Or the northstar cadi uses is a nice, powerful motor, but may shops won't work on it due to its complication.

felo3769 said:
didnt they put a 4.6? the ls already comes with a 3.9 :steering
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the ls does come with a 3.9, but if lincoln is putting in wrong sized radiators i dont think they could handle tweaking the 3.9. So why not throw in something someone else has already tweaked. I think thats the motor in the roush stage 3 mustang.
 
Whoops, I've been slacking on the updates. Here is what has been happening all week:

Round 6 - Pike's Peak International #1

The top five were:
1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 3:08.535 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 3:11.227 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 3:12.483 400
David Murry, Royal Ford
4 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 3:14.042 395
Paul Gerrard,
5 25 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 3:16.859 390
Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran



Our guys:

40 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:40.708 215
John Bender, Reed Kryder

43 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:43.532 200
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

71 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed DNS/DNF 0
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia
 
Round 7 - Pike's Peak International #2

And look! Lincoln managed to drag their sorry arses back for round 7! :p

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 3:09.102 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 3:10.657 405
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
3 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 3:12.200 400
Paul Gerrard,
4 1 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 3:13.478 395
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 3:14.415 390
David Murry, Royal Ford




33 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:39.250 250
John Bender, Reed Kryder

36 44 Cadillic CTS-V Luxury Sed 3:40.932 235
Reg Noble, Vic Regalado, Bill Unwin

47 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 3:44.726 180
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia
 
Round 8 - Sear's Point

1 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 9:24.454 410
David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
2 3 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 9:24.701 405
David Murry, Royal Ford
3 4 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 9:27.424 400
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
4 49 Mitsubishi Evo MidPri Sed 9:37.027 395
Paul Gerrard,
5 8 Chevy Z06 SSGT1 BB 9:40.491 390
Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore

For some reason, I can't find the second CTS-V in the standings. It isn't even in the DNS/DNF list... :?

20 43 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 10:25.753 315
John Bender, Reed Kryder

41 59 Lincoln LS MidPri Sed 11:13.928 210
Chet Dhruna, Matthew List, Jaime Venezia
 
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