Dodge just doesn't have the fire it used to...

[Bob Hubbard]

you should go to the track more often, you would sh!t you pants with the trucks you see...

YouTube- TBSS Wheelie

times have changed with what trucks & SUV's "should" be doing... take the JGC SRT8 for instance, if you know about the application at all.... good luck towing anything lol, mother f*cker was set up for straight up dragging, it's not even possible to tow a damn thing without a special exhaust re-route kit bought through dodge

also, the dakota R/T isn't exactly a hauler and in their time were bought AND ADVERTISED as "go fast" trucks but the owners were severely disappointed in the results

in the grand scheme of thing a dakota R/T was meant to run the 1/4 mile and track... it looked very good on paper, both in power and torque, but struggled to pull anything metter than high 15's in stock form while lightnings were pulling mid 13's

hell, the new Escalade pulls mid-high 14's in stock trim now lol

I am not exactly sure what year it was (2002 or 2003) but I remember seeing a news clip that was showing the fastest production truck in the world.
The only thing added to the engine was a supercharger, and the truck was clocked at bonneville at an amazing 220 mph.
The truck was a Dodge Dakota R/T
I guess you could google andsee if you could get some info on this .
Bob.

 

[Morbid Intentions]

I am not exactly sure what year it was (2002 or 2003) but I remember seeing a news clip that was showing the fastest production truck in the world.
The only thing added to the engine was a supercharger, and the truck was clocked at bonneville at an amazing 220 mph.
The truck was a Dodge Dakota R/T
I guess you could google andsee if you could get some info on this .
Bob.

the only thing dakota R/T about that truck was the body... wouldn't need google to know that considering...

#1 in those years the truck didn't have the stock 5.9L anymore... pretty sure it was a 4. something liters during 02-03

#2 for a TRUCK to hit 220MPH there is need of A LOT more power than that 5.9L wedge can putter off with an off the shelf supercharger... are you aware just how much power it takes to eat through wind resistance? especially in a truck?

also, "PRODUCTION" truck states off the showroom floor... so there goes that argument


but just to humor you... before I hit "submit reply" I WILL google it to prove a point

okay, after 5 minutes of google your "Production" Dakota R/T is a Cummins turbo diesel swapped build... the engine was so big during the swap they had to extend the dashboard a foot... also, complete different suspension for aero was used, along with a completely different transmission meant for the V10 variant ram, before this transmission was used it was 100% blueprinted and built thoroughly for race specs inside and out, the body paneling for the truck was even swapped out, then the truck was gutted

and... well I'll just quote this one

A massive clutch system was needed to control the 600-plus hp produced by the engine. The clamping force required to harness the torque output demanded a custom built 12 in. dual disc system with a precision ground billet steel flywheel. The material used on the disks is an organic compound with a Kevlar weave for added strength and durability.

using this truck as an argument for a dakota R/T's potential is like saying if you swap an LS1/4L60E in a power wheel that it would run 4's... so power wheels rule

 

[Bob Hubbard]

"Production vehicle" wasn't my term, that came from the crew handling the event.
The rest of your reply is a bit too technical for me.
I remember the event on tv, and the crew talking about it at the finish,and it was an R/T they used.
I also remember hearing them say it was a stock v8 with only a supercharger added.
This seems impossible too me that just addinga supercharger to a stock engine could ever produce the power needed to attain that kind of speed.
But then again, what do I know.
Bob.

 

[Morbid Intentions]

"Production vehicle" wasn't my term, that came from the crew handling the event.
The rest of your reply is a bit too technical for me.
I remember the event on tv, and the crew talking about it at the finish,and it was an R/T they used.
I also remember hearing them say it was a stock v8 with only a supercharger added.
This seems impossible too me that just addinga supercharger to a stock engine could ever produce the power needed to attain that kind of speed.
But then again, what do I know.
Bob.

you must not remember the show correctly... because further digging shows me the EXACT episode you are claiming to have seen

YouTube- Banks Sidewinder on Automaniacs

that's not even a dakota anymore

 

[SoonerLS]

As I recall, Ford set the record for fastest production truck with a Lightning in its last (or next to last) production year; following the end of the Lightning production run, Dodge went and claimed the record, but they did it with a Ram SRT-10, not a Dakota of any kind.

 

[chicken]

that's not even a dakota anymore

hell thats barely a dodge anymore, sure it has dodge logos on it.......

 

[Stack]

Wow did this is get off topic... LOL

 

[chicken]

Wow did this is get off topic... LOL

wasnt much of a real topic anyway.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

you must not remember the show correctly... because further digging shows me the EXACT episode you are claiming to have seen

YouTube- Banks Sidewinder on Automaniacs

that's not even a dakota anymore

That is not the show I saw.
The Dakota they used was black and it showed a close up of it after it ran the salt flats, and the crew was gathered around the truck talking with the press.
Bob.

 

[PetesSweets86]

the Ford lightning is the same engine from the Ford GT40 which is suprising for a truck costing nearly 1/5 the pricetag of the supercar

 

[Morbid Intentions]

the Ford lightning is the same engine from the Ford GT40 which is suprising for a truck costing nearly 1/5 the pricetag of the supercar

ford GT40 and GT are different... same engine as the ford GT you mean

and even then it's not the same engine... lot's of differences, the most being that the 2nd gen lightning has a supercharged SOHC Triton, while the ford GT and the terminator variances are equipped with DOHC heads... both in the 5.4L Triton family, but they have their share of differences


although I will agree, best go fast trucks on the market at the time


@ bob... a supercharged but otherwise stock dakota IS NOT doing 220MPH... end of story

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

there is so much fail in this sentence I don't even know where to begin... with your simple mods you are lucky if you have a mid-high 14 second truck that traps 95MPH, there are stock japanese family sedans that would run right next to you xD

You are being much too generous, my friend. To be precise, my truck ran 15.17 at 89.7 w/ the mods I listed (before the shift kit). I'm also carrying a sub, amp, bed liner, spare and class III hitch (no attempt to lighten). Timeslip below...... Do you want me to show you the one where I ran 15.5 bone stock?

"..so much fail..."?? Where did you learn english?

However, my statement stands. You obviously have never driven an R/T, othewise you'd know that the way they are geared, 1st and 2nd haul ass, but then by the time 3rd hits, due to the lack of breathing of the 5.9L (w/ stock exhaust and intake/TB) it falls on it's face which is why stock R/Ts can only manage 15s and hardly reach 90MPH in 1/4 mi times (a few reg-cabs have cracked 14s stock, but those are rare). But that doesn't mean I can't beat a V6 Camry, Altima or Accord across the intersection to where the road narrows to one lane, I do it several times a week and have NEVER been beaten by any "stock japanese family sedan". Fortunately for me, I don't have to go a 1/4 mile to do that.

I've run against several LT1 and LS1 f-bods, and while they'll smoke me in the long run, I stay neck-n-neck with them thru 1st and they can't pull a full car on me until I hit 3rd gear.

with the consistent times I see from these trucks... 13's are farther away than that my friend

it will take a higher stall and full bolt on's piled on top of slicks to brush 13's... either that or nitrous

IMO they are the biggest disappointment I have ever seen in a sports truck... and engine

There are several N/A R/Ts (club-cabs no less) cracking 13s w/ my mods + M1 intake, trottle body, headers (& good exhaust) and yes, slicks. But there are a few doing it on street tires w/ 1.7 rockers too.

also, the harley davidson F150 IS a superior AND faster truck compared to the R/T.. you just didn't look at the right model

supercharged 5.4L w/ forged bottom end > N/A 5.9L that barely clocks 15's... plus it's one thing to spend thousands to swap your heads, cam and intake out for the "potential" to run 13's depending on supporting mods... it's another thing to spend 400 bucks on a tuned pulley swap and run high 12's in a full sized supercharged quad cab

WRT the '02-03 S/C HD-F150 crew-cabs (I test drove an '02), they barely cracked 14s stock, so they are NOT much faster than MY R/T. Their initial costs was about $15,000 more than an R/T too. And as I've stated, a 5.9L R/T doesn't need heads to run 13s, it's been done LOTS of times. And handling-wise, the HD-F150s are top-heavy as hell and a stock-suspensioned R/T would run circles around it on an autocross track. Yes, its cheap to make a S/C truck go fast, but for the initial price difference you could build a mid-12-sec R/T for less $$ than any S/C HD F-150.

As I've already stated, Lightnings are a different story, their suspension is setup much better than the HD-crews, BUT their handling is no better than an R/T. They are fast as hell stock and easy/cheap to mod into the 12s. But their lack of a back seat was a non-starter for me.

As far as the "fastest production truck" goes, SRT-10 Ram >> Lightning. End of story.

The Dodge Ram SRT-10 unleashed its Viper power recently, taking its place in the Guinness Book of World Records as the "World's Fastest Production Pickup Truck." Behind the wheel was Brendan Gaughan, a six-time winner in a Dodge Ram in the 2003 NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series.
The truck was not modified in any way for additional power or enhanced aerodynamics.

Gaughan posted a two-lap, both-directions average speed of 154.587 mph on the 4.71-mile oval at the DaimlerChrysler Proving Grounds in Chelsea, Michigan. The truck's record run was certified by Guinness World Records and the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). The previous record was 147.54 mph, set in July of 2003 by the Ford SVT F-150 Lightning.

BWAHAHAHHA!!!

the 5.9L R/T?

what a fail sled...

Not sure why you have so much animosity against the R/T. Considering that it is essentially a "parts-bin" product using an "off-the-shelf" drivetrain from the larger Ram line, it does pretty good. Contrast that to Ford's attempt at a sport-truck that uses a specifically-developed engine and transmission to get the job done at a much higher cost. Like everything in life that is a tradeoff, different strokes for different folks. Had Ford offered the L in a ext-cab, I probably would've ended up with one. But they didn't, Dodge did. Nobody here claimed R/Ts run 13s stock. When the '02 S/D HD-F150 crews came out, I gave it a chance and was un-impressed. That doesn't mean I need to go around bashing the L or the HD-F150s.

 

[Morbid Intentions]

a 1/4 mile is a race.. unfortunately for you a 1st and 2nd gear pull is not... so there goes 3/4's of your long drawn out paragraph... I have driven a 5.9L R/T and have raced against them... if they aren't making a smoke show they bog on their stock stall and chop up their start regardless, 1st and 2nd gear are useless in stock trim.... then once you do get the truck to put the power to the ground their top end is non existent.... so you are stuck with a slow truck regardless

if I can completely obliterate one at the track in a low-mid 14 second car it isn't even close to being "quick" let alone fast

I've run against several LT1 and LS1 f-bods, and while they'll smoke me in the long run, I stay neck-n-neck with them thru 1st and they can't pull a full car on me until I hit 3rd gear.

race me from a stop, I dare you

I mean considering your "AWESOME" gearing you would have no problems taking a street tired, 3.55 geared, IRS 3900lbs stock tank right?


the dodge R/T's are slow, and take a lot of work just to be "quick"... if you want a "GASOLINE POWERED" go fast truck buy a lightning, stock for stock they are a drivers race with the SRT10 and 400-600 dollars invested to a pulley and a dyno tune will net you 12's... the 5.4L is already forged and supercharged... not much work needs to be done for it to piss RWHP like it just spend all night at the bar

there is no animosity towards the R/T's... it's just when people call them fast and the like, it's an insult to the intelligence of the forum


also, your timeslip makes you look like an idiot when you brag about your "awesome down low power"

2.1 60ft
6.2 330ft
9.6 @ 71MPH 1/8th

BONE STOCK my A4 WS6 Trans Am went 8.7 @ 84MPH in the 1/8th on a 1.9 60ft with a 5.6 330ft... that's a slaughter on the strip

::sigh:: time for some reality checking

http://www.dragtimes.com/Toyota-Camry-Timeslip-10391.html

grats, your truck is a drivers race with a stock V6 camry.... your timeslip just proved you wrong guy

word to the wise, I never argue facts that I can't prove in an automotive discussion... don't open up a can of worms on yourself

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

When it comes to handling........

Great Curves
Given its lowered stance and racing rubber, the TRD is as close to a 7/8-scale NASCAR Craftsman truck as we've ever driven. Posting a 63.13 pass through the cones, the S-Runner is one of the most poised trucks we've ever tested. We found almost zero body roll, neutral to the limit, then just the slightest oversteer.

The feeling was mutual as we traversed mountain roads, where the Toyota inspired confidence the harder we pushed it. Laced with its bubblegum rubber, breaking the rear end free is nearly impossible, except when the open differential allowed tire spin in hairpin turns. The steering communicates freely to the driver, informing you of every nuance in the road.

Out of the canyons, the Toyota's suspension rides tautly on uneven surfaces, mostly due to the exotic rolling stock. Once out on the highway (and especially in truck lanes), the S-Runner effectively eradicates any inkling of kidney stones you may have. But get it on smooth pavement, and it rides like a sports car.

As expected, the Lightning served up the softest ride on the highway, exhibiting only slight rear jounce on abused roads. Fresh pavement only helped the SVT ride like a Town Car. Heading for the hills, it exhibited steering tighter than the Dakota, with good feel and near rail-like cornering. Throttle steering was effortless, unless you put too much foot into it--then the rear breaks loose, allowing more drift in the corners than bargained for.

Putting the SVT through the slalom, the heavy front and a carefree rearend allowed for more slip than we'd like during extreme cornering, but were quite controllable through judicious throttle input. Its 60.61 speed is inspiring for a full-size pickup, though the SVT's obviously not as nimble as the R/T or TRD. We found far better balance than expected, but this is still a full-size pickup truck.

To say we were surprised when the sleeper R/T posted the fastest 600-ft slalom time of 63.23 would be a gross understatement. "The faster you go, the more you commit, the better the R/T responds," wrote Walton. "You can manhandle this truck, and it doesn't bite back. There's tons of grip, quick steering, and it doesn't threaten to spin out on the dash to the last cone."

In the canyons, the Dodge doesn't throw any curveballs: It's sure-footed, rotates easily, is extremely predictable, and takes well to steering input via throttle. With a suspension this secure, we would normally expect a bone-jarring ride; however, the Dakota is compliant on rough two-lanes, with good communication through the wheel and responsive steering. Given the 5.9's torque, we were a bit disappointed with the tranny's inability to hold gears on grades, as it continually up- and downshifted to keep the truck at speed.

I have to chuckle at that last comment about the trans not holding gears on grades. Back in '00 (before any mods) traveling from Pheonix north to Flagstaff on I-17, full load of my dad's woodworking tools in the bed, cruise set on 85MPH (the max the stock PCM would allow), I was climbing a particularly steep grade in traffic when an Infinity Q45 thought he was going to be cute and cut me off from a gap that would allow me to switch to the left lane to pass the slow vehicles in front of me that were struggling to maintain speed go up grade. Using the nice wide berms on the AZ highway, I just burried the throttle and swung to the right of the slower vehicle, passing both it and the Q45 in the left lane. I'll never forget the expression on the Q45's driver's face as he looked over at me w/ this "WTF!!??!" look.

Funny, I don't remember my trans downshifting from locked-4th until I mashed the gas.

 

[Morbid Intentions]

until I mashed the gas.

and unleashed the fury of the 15 second monster huh?



stop with the handling and road course brigade tough guy... most tracks won't even allow trucks on their course

just the fact you are arguing "handling" in a truck like it's a le mans car just makes me laugh and know you are on your last defense because everything else about the truck sucks

just a simple "my truck is slow" would suffice

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

a 1/4 mile is a race.. unfortunately for you a 1st and 2nd gear pull is not... so there goes 3/4's of your long drawn out paragraph...

Man, I wish I lived where you live, where every stoplight on the road shows 3 yellows before it shows green.

I have driven a 5.9L R/T and have raced against them... if they aren't making a smoke show they bog on their stock stall and chop up their start regardless, 1st and 2nd gear are useless in stock trim.... then once you do get the truck to put the power to the ground their top end is non existent.... so you are stuck with a slow truck regardless

if I can completely obliterate one in a low-mid 14 second car it isn't even close to being "quick" let alone fast

Did you miss the part where I said:

It does require feathering the throttle though, if you tromp it off the line it'll just spin until it shifts to 2nd.

No doubt, launch techniques seperates the men from the boys in these trucks. And sure, a high stall helps, AFTER you've done the other mods to un-cork the top end and get more traction. But until then, who needs more smoke?

race me from a stop, I dare you

I mean considering your "AWESOME" gearing you would have no problems taking a street tired, 3.55 geared, IRS 3900lbs tank right?

YouTube- 2006 GTO 0-150

Yeah, that'll be a fair race. Truck vs Car, 250HP vs 400HP, 4200 lbs vs 3900 lbs. Where did I ever say I could "take" a LSx in my R/T? That's why I have my WS6 for "backup."

the dodge R/T's are slow, and take a lot of work just to be "quick"... if you want a go fast truck buy a lightning, stock for stock they are a drivers race with the SRT10 and 400-600 dollars invested to a pulley and a dyno tune will net you 12's... the 5.4L is already forged and supercharged... not much work needs to be done for it to piss RWHP like it just spend all night at the bar

Go back an re-read my post. My priority in choosing the R/T over the L was NOT 1) Fast 2) Quick 3) cheap to mod 4) "Forged bottom end" , it was 1) Truck, 2) hold 5 passengers, 3) Handle good 4) smoke ricers

there is no animosity towards the R/T's... it's just when people call them fast and the like, it's an insult to the intelligence of the forum

also, your timeslip makes you look like an idiot when you brag about your "awesome down low power"

2.1 60ft
6.2 330ft
9.6 @ 71MPH 1/8th

BONE STOCK my A4 WS6 Trans Am went 8.7 @ 84MPH in the 1/8th on a 1.9 60ft with a 5.6 330ft... that's a slaughter on the strip

That's nice. "Fast" is a relative term, and to most folks driving Lincolns, a 15 sec 1/4-mi vehicle is "fast". You've obviously been tainted by LSx power. AGAIN, I never claimed I could beat a LSx powered car. So you can put your strawman away.

::sigh:: time for some reality checking

http://www.dragtimes.com/Toyota-Camr...lip-10391.html

grats, your truck is a drivers race with a stock V6 camry.... your timeslip just proved you wrong guy

No, my timeslip proved YOU were wrong, claiming stock R/Ts can "barely clocks 15's" in the 1/4.

 

[Morbid Intentions]

as long as we are agreeing that a dakota R/T is slow ;-)

 

[htrdlincoln98]

OOO what a good read. I think both of you are right. Yes the r/t and the srt10 are slow. Both of them. I talked and watched many days at the track with a srt10 owner, all I heard was how much the truck was a let down. He was selling it to get a lightning cause the srt10 ran 14's. I think it hurt him alittle that my mark was dialing lower than him. The other thing with one of the srt 10 trucks is the upkeep. Dealer work. I forget the details but the trans had to be readjusted every 5K and the rear end ..... and so on. Huge hassle and money.
On the other hand I almost traded the mark in on a lightning years ago. The mark was running low 15's and the lighting didn't feel much better after a test drive. Maybe it was a lemon but I was not impressed with the power, so anyway I still have my slow a$$ mark.

A fast truck is all relative.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

You guys are talking track speeds.
I am talking street speed when it comes too my R/T, and I have yet to see the street vehicle that I can't beat or stay with.
I'm not talking drag races, just good ole street performance when I really put the pedal too the metal.
Regardless of what you say, my R/T hauls a$$.
Bob.

 

[PetesSweets86]

YouTube- Top Gear - Ford GT

at 3:40 he mentions the ford pick-up

 

[SoonerLS]

at 3:40 he mentions the ford pick-up

Entertaining though he is, Clarkson is also, not unsurprisingly, wrong. The GT ran an all-aluminum, dry-sump, hand-built DOHC 5.4L; the Lightning ran an iron-block, SOHC Triton. They are most assuredly not the same engine.

 

[PetesSweets86]

lol that's what I thought :-D

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Entertaining though he is, Clarkson is also, not unsurprisingly, wrong. The GT ran an all-aluminum, dry-sump, hand-built DOHC 5.4L; the Lightning ran an iron-block, SOHC Triton. They are most assuredly not the same engine.

Yes, and a difference of 380/390HP in the 2nd-gen Lightning/HD-F150 crews vs 500+HP in the GT. Blowers & I/Cs are different too I believe.

 

[Morbid Intentions]

You guys are talking track speeds.
I am talking street speed when it comes too my R/T, and I have yet to see the street vehicle that I can't beat or stay with.

my LS would beat your R/T lol... 14.7 @ 97MPH

your R/T might haul ass next to a V6 new edge mustang... but I'd advice you to stop racing street vehicles that run 17's

when the new STOCK escalade runs faster track times you have to sit and wonder at what point you are going to stop dreaming lol

again, I will say... dodge R/T's are a HUGE disappointment... as are the SRT10's, both slow for what they were given

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

as long as we are agreeing that a dakota R/T is slow ;-)

I'll agree that the Dakota R/T, compared to a LSx F-body or GTO, is "slow".

You guys are talking track speeds.
I am talking street speed when it comes too my R/T, and I have yet to see the street vehicle that I can't beat or stay with.

Bob, I hear you loud and clear. I'm not sure why Mr. Morbid seems to be expecting a 13sec 1/4 from a 250HP "off the shelf" truck engine in a 4200 lb truck. The R/T drivetrain is literally pulled from the parts bin of the Ram. There is nothing "special" or Hi-Po about it, unlike the "forged bottom end" S/C 5.4 in the Gen2 Lightning. Is it faster than a Ram w/ the same engine? Of course it is. Is it faster than a Lightning with 130+ MORE HP? Of course it isn't. Laws of physics can't be overcome by the name on the badge on the doors. Dodge never claimed it was even a 14 sec truck. The primary focus of the R/T was suspension and handling. Stuffing the largest Magnum block under the hood was of secondary importance. If he's disapointed in the 250HP R/T only going low-mid 15s stock, he'd have to be REALLY dissapointed about the 390HP HD-F150 crews going only 14.9 and the new 300HP V8 Colorados running only low 15s.

The point I (and I believe you) are trying to make, is that ON THE STREET where the "race" is only light-to-light, the R/T holds it's own quite well compared to many cars that would beat it in the 1/4 mile. I filtered the list of timeslips from dragtimes.com and have found that my lightly mod'ed low 15-sec R/T would beat ALL of these in the 1/8-mile (and nearly all in 60') while getting barely nosed out in the 1/4, most are running high 14s in the 1/4 (I didn't list ALL of the cars my R/T would beat in the 1/4, had to draw the line somewhere):

From www.dragtimes.com

#) - 1/4ET - 1/4MPH - 1/8ET - 1/8MPH - 60' - Car - Year - Driver
MINE) 15.169 89.72 9.663 71.21 2.132 - Dodge Dakota R/T Club Cab 1999 JohnnyBz00LS

Camaros:
478) 14.935* 94.140 9.672 74.630 2.357 Chevrolet Camaro 1983 Peter Hetherington
479) 14.980 91.870 9.720 75.230 2.010 Chevrolet Camaro 1995 Daron Williams
481) 15.013* 82.700 9.768 77.610 2.146 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 1986 Spencer Whitledge
482) 15.090 95.060 9.812 72.080 2.302 Chevrolet Camaro RS/SS 1971 Kevin N
483) 15.124 86.910 9.693 72.660 2.223 Chevrolet Camaro RS 1992 Jered Mann

Firebird Formulas:
44) 14.853* 95.090 9.669 74.820 2.279 Pontiac Firebird Formula 1995 Gary Black

Trans Ams:
142) 15.086* 93.750 9.860 74.440 2.363 Pontiac Trans Am 1975 Don
143) 15.140 90.000 9.800 71.160 2.290 Pontiac Trans Am 1990 Master Shake

Mustangs:
863) 14.893*# 96.310 9.765 75.890 8.481 Ford Mustang GT Conv. 2003 James Van Liew
866) 14.902 93.660 9.693 72.380 2.173 Ford Mustang gt 1997 Rick bonness
873) 14.954* 94.840 9.729 74.680 2.338 Ford Mustang Cobra Coupe 1998 Sean
876) 14.979* 92.900 9.730 75.350 2.342 Ford Mustang S197 V6 Coupe 2006 Rob
878) 15.040# 92.380 9.770 75.210 2.380 Ford Mustang GT 1998 Mr. J
880) 15.100* 91.480 9.710 74.520 2.190 Ford Mustang GT Convertable 1997 Corey Kaufman
881) 15.150 93.000 9.730 73.000 2.230 Ford Mustang GT 1990 Jesse

Acuras:
209) 14.922 95.212 9.761 75.449 2.666 Acura Integra GSR 1996 mike ly
210) 14.942 92.030 9.970 72.950 2.441 Acura RSX base 2005 Chris
211) 14.960 94.160 9.750 76.300 2.370 Acura CL 3.2 Type-S 2003 Mr. J
212) 14.965 91.630 9.682 74.080 2.337 Acura RSX Type S 2002 Philippe Lefrançois
213) 14.968* 93.490 9.727 74.000 2.324 Acura Integra GS-R 1995 Doug Parsley
214) 14.970 93.820 9.700 74.080 2.370 Acura Integra GS-R 1994 Greg Harrell
216) 14.977* 93.699 9.748 2.340 Acura Integra Type-R 2000 Mark Modaressi
218) 14.983* 94.880 9.802 75.600 2.438 Acura Integra ls 1994 sergio lopes
220) 14.987* 95.052 9.684 2.302 Acura 3.2TL Premium 1999 Alex
221) 14.992 93.300 9.743 73.880 2.329 Acura RSX Type S 2003 Yuliang
222) 14.994 93.760 9.747 9.747 2.334 Acura Integra gsr 1995 Jeremy Schermerhorn
223) 14.995 94.120 9.748 74.930 2.397 Acura Legend Coupe L 1991 Edward McLaughlin
224) 15.007 93.940 9.741 74.210 2.329 Acura TL 2004 Craig L.
226) 15.029 91.623 9.666 74.138 2.302 Acura Integra GSR 1996 mike ly
227) 15.041 92.770 9.797 73.920 2.412 Acura Integra GSR 1994 Sean Beckford
228) 15.052 94.370 9.800 74.100 2.450 Acura RSX Type-S 2002 steelcity_dc5
232) 15.095 90.530 9.692 71.980 2.106 Acura Integra GSR 1997 Peter Thor
234) 15.100 93.750 10.000 74.040 2.374 Acura Integra GS-R 1994 Ray
237) 15.112* 92.603 9.734 72.590 2.405 Acura Integra LS B16a 1991 Nick
238) 15.116* 92.030 9.770 73.390 2.326 Acura Integra GS-R 1995 Luis
239) 15.127 92.966 9.782 2.320 Acura Integra GSR 1997 Guillaume Couture
240) 15.138* 93.387 9.916 74.638 2.410 Acura Legend LS Sedan 1991 Shawn
241) 15.140* 94.605 9.852 74.451 2.455 Acura TSX 2007 andrew kimura
242) 15.142* 91.150 9.931 72.640 2.093 Acura 3.2TL type s 2003 james m
243) 15.150 91.710 9.790 72.820 2.370 Acura Integra GSR 1996 Kraz
244) 15.151 91.130 9.697 71.670 2.240 Acura RSX Base Model 2002 Bryan Holleran

Audi:
187) 14.963 93.530 9.669 74.520 2.315 Audi A3 3.2L V6 2008 Zach Langer
191) 15.003* 93.140 9.724 73.670 2.207 Audi A8 4.2 Quattro Sport 1996 Matthew Baldry

BMW:
517) 14.910* 95.600 9.720 ? 2.280 BMW 328i 2007 Joe Grand
520) 14.976 93.810 9.672 72.960 BMW 330Ci coupe 2004 Eric Chang
525) 15.060 95.790 9.800 75.440 2.460 BMW M SERIES 99 2001 Mr. J
527) 15.162* 92.660 9.820 73.230 2.261 BMW 325i 1992 Wilson

Cadillac:
67) 14.888 94.510 9.730 75.760 2.385 Cadillac Seville STS 2000 STS
69) 14.900 92.910 9.670 78.120 2.470 Cadillac Allante 1993 Mr. J
75) 15.020 94.100 9.790 73.240 2.320 Cadillac CTS 2005 Jim

Chevrolet (other than Camaro):
1588) 14.951* 94.650 9.743 74.550 2.347 Chevrolet Cobalt 2.2L LS coupe 2006 Tom
1591) 14.962* 94.070 9.742 74.430 2.439 Chevrolet Impala SS 2005 Mitch
1605) 15.030* 92.620 9.723 73.400 2.305 Chevrolet Cobalt LS 2007 John Benson
1607) 15.035* 95.950 9.884 76.530 2.575 Chevrolet S10 Pickup 1993 Jeremy
1614) 15.120 93.700 9.850 76.530 2.310 Chevrolet Pickup C-10 1976 John Caprai
1616) 15.128* 90.470 9.732 74.080 2.312 Chevrolet CK1500 Truck ls 2006 will
1617) 15.160* 91.450 9.820 74.310 2.370 Chevrolet S10 Blazer 4x4 1984 Ryan Breezee

Chrysler:
154) 15.056* 92.610 9.723 73.020 2.281 Chrysler Crossfire Autostick 2004 Ted Hou
155) 15.094* 92.390 9.760 73.380 2.260 Chrysler Crossfire 2004 Cory Schenkel
156) 15.107 92.570 9.793 73.900 2.137 Chrysler Crossfire Roadster 2005 Joe

Dodge:
790) 14.960* 94.000 9.770 76.000 2.480 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 Quad cab 2007 Troy
798) 14.992* 92.440 9.709 74.730 2.353 Dodge Dart 2 dr dart 1976 Gene Berger
800) 15.006 92.840 9.723 74.820 2.379 Dodge Magnum RT 2005 Unholy
804) 15.050 90.540 9.668 72.670 2.267 Dodge Dakota 1996 Brian Yates
806) 15.070* 92.050 9.710 71.660 2.288 Dodge Neon Sport Coupe 1998 Sharaz Amin
807) 15.071 89.290 9.720 72.350 2.330 Dodge Neon R/T 1998 Pierre Guay
808) 15.075* 89.440 9.687 74.300 2.287 Dodge Ram 1500 RCSB 2x4 HEMI 2003 Richie
811) 15.101 93.030 9.820 75.300 2.361 Dodge Charger DAYTONA R/T 2005 STEVE C
812) 15.112* 91.130 9.749 73.500 2.319 Dodge Ram Pickup D250 (3/4 ton) 1984 Neil Doughty
816) 15.119* 90.590 9.714 72.450 2.226 Dodge Neon R/T 1999 Adam Clark
819) 15.130 90.360 9.750 72.560 2.260 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 QuadCab 2003 Gary Hann
820) 15.141 88.500 9.677 72.460 2.205 Dodge Ram 1500 slt trx4 magna flow cat back exhaust 2007 Rod Ketchel

Fords (other than Mustangs):
1329) 14.797 98.080 9.716 77.670 2.344 Ford Taurus SHO 1992 Chris Owen
1338) 14.819 96.320 9.718 75.110 2.320 Ford Focus ZX3 S2 2001 Brad
1347) 14.846 94.600 9.717 79.420 2.253 Ford Taurus SHO 1997 Ian Macoomb
1354) 14.860 98.110 9.850 81.240 1.994 Ford Explorer Sport R 1996 D Myers
1355) 14.861* 95.570 9.720 75.890 2.445 Ford Focus zx3 Supercharger 2003 adan
1363) 14.894* 93.330 9.684 75.720 2.345 Ford Probe GT 1991 Tony
1365) 14.900* 96.240 9.676 73.890 2.367 Ford Taurus SHO 1995 Erik Balser
1366) 14.900* 95.300 9.700 73.700 2.400 Ford Taurus SHO 1993 Enson I.
1394) 14.965* 95.170 9.844 74.670 2.309 Ford ZX2 Escort Sport 1998 Brad (ZX2Fast)
1397) 14.986 94.009 9.740 74.016 2.390 Ford Taurus SHO 1991 Ryan Kuchar
1403) 15.007 93.120 9.688 72.620 2.236 Ford Thunderbird SC 1991 Tony Arnold
1404) 15.010 96.780 9.924 77.390 Ford ZX2 Escort Sport 1998 Andrew Blackwell
1405) 15.010 93.840 9.747 74.480 2.392 Ford Taurus SHO 1993 Brad Kramer
1408) 15.052 93.210 9.746 73.650 2.255 Ford Thunderbird LX 1996 Alan G
1410) 15.064 91.900 9.701 73.532 2.316 Ford Probe GT 1993 Aaron Noldner
1412) 15.070* 92.000 9.690 72.000 2.190 Ford Falcon 4 doors 1962 Dany maltais
1413) 15.075* 90.650 9.680 73.810 2.184 Ford Crown Victoria Base 2004 Kurt Johnston
1421) 15.116* 89.420 9.675 71.880 2.103 Ford ZX2 Escort S/R 2000 Christopher Bonner
1422) 15.120 96.340 10.130 72.240 2.410 Ford Focus SVT 2002 Darin Beaudoin
1423) 15.130 92.430 9.798 73.934 2.143 Ford Focus SVT 2002 B.F
1424) 15.130 91.500 9.790 73.100 2.280 Ford Taurus SHO 1995 Rich
1425) 15.130 91.157 9.814 72.990 2.404 Ford Fusion SE 2010 Rosie
1426) 15.142* 91.230 9.838 76.240 2.308 Ford Crown Victoria HPP 2000 metroplex

Honda:
484) 14.800 94.300 9.683 75.640 2.447 Honda Accord ex v6 coupe 6spd 2005 Mark Hausfeld
491) 14.856* 93.100 9.775 74.040 2.300 Honda Accord lx 1994 Kyle Buntain
492) 14.867 96.663 9.712 73.371 2.279 Honda Accord lx 1995 mike downey
506) 14.926* 96.137 9.817 75.987 2.758 Honda Accord 1997 Parin
510) 14.945 94.860 9.738 75.960 2.424 Honda Civic SiR 2003 Rich Kwon
512) 14.962* 95.580 9.755 75.060 2.435 Honda Prelude Si Vtec 1993 Cory Kalin
514) 14.981* 93.580 9.722 75.010 2.436 Honda Civic SI 2008 Oscar Sanchez
515) 14.990 94.280 9.725 74.040 2.338 Honda Accord EX-L AUTOMTIC COUPE 2007 JORGE A BAEZ
517) 14.995 95.009 9.850 75.333 2.598 Honda del Sol vtec 1993 randolf wannee
518) 14.995* 92.460 9.747 74.580 2.443 Honda Civic SiR 1991 Michael Chase
520) 15.000* 96.000 9.910 2.320 Honda Accord 1994 wadzii
522) 15.000 89.000 10.000 72.000 2.000 Honda del Sol Esi 1995 Tasi András
523) 15.000* 86.370 10.000 68.972 Honda Civic 1.4i Turbo 1996 Bishop
527) 15.020* 95.440 9.747 73.430 2.360 Honda Accord EX ULEV 2000 Pluk
531) 15.030* 91.350 9.699 73.580 2.270 Honda Civic CRX SI 1989 Cameron Hartley
532) 15.044 92.300 9.700 73.500 2.200 Honda Civic DX Hatchback 1995 Chuck T.
533) 15.045* 91.060 9.672 73.090 2.204 Honda Prelude S 1993 Brad Mullen
535) 15.051 93.821 9.685 2.295 Honda Prelude SE 2001 Mike
536) 15.056 98.410 10.281 73.540 2.660 Honda Civic hx t3 t4 50trim Turbo 1997 david
537) 15.060* 93.340 9.815 74.370 2.432 Honda Prelude 2.2 VTEC 1992 Terry Ellis
538) 15.072 90.012 9.730 72.350 2.320 Honda Accord 2.2L dx 4dr 1991 Eloy Valencia
542) 15.091 90.660 9.719 74.900 2.315 Honda Civic CRX Si 1987 Dan Grochowicz
543) 15.092 91.650 9.806 74.250 2.348 Honda Civic CRX 1988 Ricky Crow
547) 15.100 90.600 10.300 69.100 Honda Civic COUPE 1994 SCHUTIZZZ
549) 15.102* 95.401 9.952 74.649 2.554 Honda Accord EX 6mt Coupe 2003 TD
551) 15.103* 92.000 9.886 72.990 2.300 Honda Civic EX 1993 CHRIS
554) 15.116* 93.050 9.861 73.430 2.375 Honda Prelude EX-R 1994 Matt
556) 15.121 90.670 9.705 72.636 2.142 Honda Civic EX 1998 Brad Overocker
557) 15.123* 90.830 9.765 71.590 2.248 Honda Civic SiR 2004 Shelby Newton
558) 15.130 94.220 9.860 75.570 2.550 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Sedan 2007 J. Ramirez
561) 15.164 90.740 9.783 72.780 2.336 Honda Civic std 1991 ben

Hyundai:
35) 14.930 91.110 9.700 76.200 2.232 Hyundai Tiburon gt 2003 Boris
38) 14.996 93.340 9.706 74.820 2.356 Hyundai Tiburon GT V-6 2003 Michael Mancino
39) 15.003* 93.400 9.734 74.100 1.898 Hyundai Tiburon GT 2004 Darin
40) 15.099* 91.070 9.754 73.520 2.283 Hyundai Tiburon GT V6 6-Speed 2004 Brad (CableTec)
41) 15.110 91.110 9.748 73.520 2.280 Hyundai Tiburon GT V6 2004 Justin

Infiniti:
82) 14.983 93.470 9.727 74.200 2.375 Infiniti G35 Sedan 5AT 2003 Peter
86) 15.140 92.080 9.770 73.190 2.311 Infiniti FX45 2004 Redmax

Lincoln:
24) 15.040 94.790 9.808 74.030 2.295 Lincoln Mark VIII 1994 scott

Mazda:
453) 14.640* 97.280 9.705 76.870 2.012 Mazda Miata MX5 Turbo 1990 Todd Taylor
461) 14.717 97.320 9.665 76.360 2.274 Mazda 6 S ATX 2003 Atom44wat
462) 14.784* 95.720 9.680 77.842 2.235 Mazda Protege Mazdaspeed 2003 Joey
468) 14.812* 96.460 9.721 76.760 2.402 Mazda Protege MAZDASPEED 2003 DAMION
471) 14.893* 99.150 9.926 77.360 2.670 Mazda 626 DX 1990 Luke Godfrey
477) 14.946 94.100 9.704 75.400 2.359 Mazda Miata MX5 Turbo 1991 Nathan King
479) 14.967* 93.450 9.663 73.200 2.238 Mazda 3 S 2005 Chris A.
482) 14.990 93.690 9.675 73.260 2.119 Mazda RX-7 n/a 1988 george sharp
484) 14.992* 94.070 9.776 74.890 2.516 Mazda MX6 LX 1988 David
490) 15.010 91.667 9.728 2.342 Mazda RX-8 gs 2004 Norm Neas
491) 15.012 94.150 9.826 74.490 2.411 Mazda Protege5 2002 Mark Murray
493) 15.069* 94.760 9.870 75.250 2.418 Mazda MX6 Turbo 1988 Dan
494) 15.070 91.940 9.730 73.070 2.279 Mazda RX-7 S5 TII 1990 Stuart Harrison
496) 15.077 108.880 9.735 73.580 2.343 Mazda 3 2004 Silas
497) 15.078 91.730 9.720 73.600 2.180 Mazda MX6 LS 1997 Chris
502) 15.143* 95.010 10.134 75.000 2.651 Mazda MX6 GT 1988 JEC

Mitsubishi:
283) 14.675* 100.890 9.913 78.020 2.570 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST 1999 Cody Shields
297) 14.878 95.150 9.686 75.510 2.384 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS+Turbo 1995 don
306) 14.930 93.750 10.333 67.770 2.379 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Nitrous 2002 shawn sanders
309) 14.974* 93.450 9.696 75.760 2.320 Mitsubishi Cordia GSR 1988 Travis Linger
312) 15.150 94.260 9.910 74.480 2.550 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 1995 Mr. J

Nissan:
591) 14.771 110.490 10.168 83.210 2.769 Nissan 240SX 1990 M de Leon
628) 14.973 94.479 9.703 2.263 Nissan Maxima 2000 -Sprung-
630) 14.990 93.430 9.724 75.030 2.383 Nissan Maxima SE 2002 CM
634) 15.000* 91.890 9.682 73.760 2.352 Nissan Sentra SE 2001 Stay Tuned
645) 15.041 92.090 9.718 73.540 2.338 Nissan Maxima SE 1996 Jason Cho
648) 15.100* 93.000 9.800 73.000 2.400 Nissan Skyline 1990 jeff
649) 15.100 87.890 10.700 72.300 2.210 Nissan 200SX SE-R 1997 Ryan Smith
650) 15.101 91.630 9.728 73.030 2.243 Nissan Titan LE CC 4x2 non BT 2004 RB's Titan
652) 15.111 91.460 9.774 73.220 2.318 Nissan 300ZX 1993 James Byun
656) 15.129 92.070 9.778 73.660 2.335 Nissan SE-R 2005 Mike F
657) 15.138 94.930 9.895 73.620 2.434 Nissan Maxima 2002 R
658) 15.140* 93.000 9.700 Nissan 300ZX NA 1993 Corey Weigand
660) 15.156 89.530 9.675 72.430 2.231 Nissan Titan CREW CAB SE 4X4 2004 JAMES

Oldsmobile:
54) 14.750 97.320 9.680 78.610 2.590 Oldsmobile Toronado 1970 Mr. J
58) 14.986 93.320 9.718 74.170 2.377 Oldsmobile Hurst 1983 Ely Guess
61) 15.100 92.000 9.800 73.000 2.400 Oldsmobile 88 LSS Supercharger 1997 Brandon Hughes
63) 15.155* 90.870 9.787 72.680 2.321 Oldsmobile Calais w40 442 1991 Craig Rentfro

Plymouth:
103) 14.969 93.710 9.830 74.100 2.380 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 1990

Pontiac (other than Firebirds):
536) 14.870 93.000 9.700 76.000 2.500 Pontiac Fiero GT 1988 Tyler Greer
537) 14.892* 98.850 9.848 76.650 2.413 Pontiac Pursuit G5 2006 Andre Santos
548) 14.996* 94.300 9.840 74.633 2.290 Pontiac Grand Am GT 2002 Richard Banks
550) 14.996 89.390 10.558 68.090 1.932 Pontiac Fiero gt 1985 Ricky Lynn
555) 15.070* 91.510 9.667 72.010 2.197 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 40th Anniversary 2002 Matt H
558) 15.120 96.210 9.860 72.350 2.380 Pontiac Grand Am 1977 Dan Gagnon
559) 15.120 93.720 9.870 74.800 2.470 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 1997 Mr. J
561) 15.129 90.280 9.728 72.950 2.216 Pontiac Grand Prix Model J 1972 Widetrak

Porsche:
128) 14.440 103.300 9.690 82.700 2.860 Porsche 928 S4 RMB Exhaust 1988 Brian
137) 15.112 94.370 9.873 74.640 2.488 Porsche 924 S 1988 Kirk Wills

Scion:
19) 14.690* 94.520 9.934 70.050 2.038 Scion tC 2006 damian rodriguez
23) 14.867* 96.400 9.768 77.050 2.464 Scion tC 2005 Joe
24) 14.877 95.540 9.704 75.820 2.372 Scion tC Nitrous 2007 Joe

Subaru:
274) 14.869 94.760 9.669 74.920 2.255 Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon 2002 Alex
277) 14.958 92.750 9.749 73.970 2.366 Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon 2002 Alex

Toyota:
292) 14.884* 98.040 9.856 77.870 2.624 Toyota Supra 1991 Nick Magers
306) 15.035* 92.210 9.757 73.530 2.253 Toyota Tacoma x-runner 2006 Matt
307) 15.047 92.350 9.757 73.070 2.219 Toyota Celica GT-S 2000 Travis Richardson
308) 15.054* 92.180 9.691 73.590 2.263 Toyota Supra 1985 Tod
310) 15.085* 89.720 9.671 74.680 2.214 Toyota Camry LE V6 1999 Will
311) 15.088 91.780 9.701 72.200 2.207 Toyota Tacoma x-runner 2005 alfonso
313) 15.103 93.760 9.850 74.170 2.377 Toyota Celica GTS 2000 Steve Chapman
316) 15.141* 95.400 9.850 71.440 2.326 Toyota Matrix XRS 2003 Mike
317) 15.159* 97.320 9.911 73.810 2.475 Toyota MR2 1989 Aaron Silvestri
318) 15.160 92.940 9.910 73.170 ?? Toyota Matrix Xrs 2003 Matrix_X_R_S

Volkswagen:
185) 14.881* 96.700 9.775 75.600 2.452 Volkswagen Jetta GLS Wolfsburg 2001 Phil
188) 14.910 94.606 9.674 71.935 2.311 Volkswagen Passat 1.8T 2001 Nick
189) 14.910 94.360 9.980 77.120 2.208 Volkswagen Golf Gofl CL 1991 Christopher Bernier
193) 14.931 93.000 9.678 73.940 2.363 Volkswagen GTI VR6 2000 Justin
194) 14.959 92.420 9.757 74.930 2.457 Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T 2003 Tom
195) 14.963 93.850 9.720 73.960 2.435 Volkswagen Jetta GLS 1.8T 2003 Slade
198) 14.993* 95.130 9.782 74.880 2.344 Volkswagen GTI VR6 2003 Sean Kirk
199) 15.000 90.980 9.805 72.580 2.389 Volkswagen GTI GTI 2.0 Turbo 2006 Eddie Calderon
201) 15.004 93.330 9.757 73.980 2.364 Volkswagen GTI VR6 1998 Mike M
206) 15.064* 91.590 9.755 75.600 2.361 Volkswagen Passat GLS 1.8T 2001 Robert Vergara
212) 15.114 92.760 9.827 73.070 2.444 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T (stock) 2003 David
214) 15.164* 95.620 9.915 72.970 2.475 Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T GLS 2002 Nam

Volvo:
64) 14.958 92.380 9.675 75.960 2.350 Volvo S80 T6 1999 Adam Wickersham
67) 15.000 97.120 9.909 75.500 2.707 Volvo V70 T5 CD P1 1998 Jon Banks
71) 15.060* 95.870 9.808 75.520 2.493 Volvo V70 T5CD 1998 Jerry Brodrick
72) 15.071* 93.270 9.758 72.720 2.356 Volvo S60 T5 2002 Calvin
74) 15.110 92.830 9.800 74.990 2.410 Volvo S80 T6 2002 Mr. J
75) 15.146* 93.220 9.894 73.740 2.426 Volvo S60 S60 R AWD 2005 Doug
76) 15.150 94.640 9.880 74.000 2.500 Volvo C70 5-speed 1998 Mr. J

I'll bet NONE of those owners consider their cars "slow", and after losing in the 1/8 and playing catch-up to barely nose-out my R/T in the 1/4, I seriously doubt that they'd consider my R/T "slow" either.