rmac694203
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Until we see that whale-like front end.MonsterMark said:2nd Gens rule. All you 1st Gen guys can just sit and drool.
Dyno and Custom Tune Results
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MonsterMark
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In reality, all you get to see is our rear-ends, pretty they are.rmac694203 said:Until we see that whale-like front end.
Kurgan_Motorsports
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MonsterMark said:I could kick myself if you got that number off the 2nd or 3rd pull.
How many pulls did you get.
I was going to post a 252 number if you got more than 1 pull because the guy would have got that with the tune.
I posted the number but then pulled it fearing I would look like too much of a know-it-all. I also had the 2nd gen intake holding down your rwtq numbers. Looks like that intake is not as horrible as it seems compared to the Gen 1.
Are you going to b!tch slap Driller at Carlisle now?
2nd Gens rule. All you 1st Gen guys can just sit and drool.
P.S. Joey, was that number the 1st or 3rd pull? If the 3rd, what was the 1st number.
it was the 3rd pull.. the first pull I made was not modifying the MAF table the first pull netted 242hp? or something close to that.. for the second pull, i fixed the short term fuel trims for better drivability and then leaned out the WOT trims by 11%... I showed Joey how i calculated it and what the datalog said for MAF counts.. sure enough, the 2nd pull netted about 4hp more BUT the a/f was a stead 12.7-13.0 straight accross the board.. exactly what i hoped... the last pull, i added some timing and it responded with 252.83rwhp.. I have done a few of these, so i have some solid base tunes..
thanks bob
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rmac694203
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Haha. The neon is intoxicating.MonsterMark said:
Staffamerica74
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im just gonna put a gen 2 intake on my gen 1 and kick all your butts then be like the guy with the black mark viii and put a vortech and build the bottom end in it.
ONEBADMK8
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Joeychgo said:
Walt did better numbers on the hp and torque with less mods at Carlisle a few years back in oppressive heat which if I remember correctly was around 93 and the humidity you could just bite at 88% and the elevation at Carlisle too?
At the time of this dyno run Walt had only our maf kit, chip, Nology wires, Autolite 764 copper plugs gapped @.048, 2.5 inch true dual XX pipe exhaust, Icebox cold air kit, Walbro 255 high pressure high volume, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, ASP crank blancer/pulley, PI 3500 9.5 inch torque converter, Cobra IRS with 3.73's.
Walt chruned up 260 hp and 259.9 in the most god awful conditions you would ever want to dyno in with NO headers.
Our customer who donated the car for the Kooks headers project a few years ago made 29hp and almost 30 in torque with just headers.
Kurgan_Motorsports
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if you've been around dyno's for any amount of time, you would know that all dyno are not created equal.. Ive seen variances from 1 dynojet to another as big as 5%.. Some are just loose and make big numbers.. I know that the particular dyno that we did Joey's car on is very tight and reads low. My own personal car made 820rwhp but ran 8.56 @ 158 3300lbs race weight a few years ago.. Track times and SOTP is all that matters..
ONEBADMK8
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Kurgan_Motorsports said:
That dyno that day at Carlisle was fresh, tight and right. My buddy ran his SC Cobra on that dyno the same day and was actually slightly less rwhp then the guy who built his car a month prior and ran it on a Mustang dyno.
The SOTP on that car is VERY high and runs 13.70's @ 102 mph wih 105k on her.
driller
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MonsterMark said:Are you going to b!tch slap Driller at Carlisle now?
Bring it... don't sing it! :gr_devil:
This was BEFORE the headers on the '93...
Kurgan_Motorsports
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ONEBADMK8 said:
i dont know what your intentions are, but i can see that Im not welcome here any more...
Joey, if you have an probs, shoot me an email and Ill get your taken care of.
thanks again
bob
PS FYI I didnt build the car, I was just asked to tune it and I did that.. Also, if you know anything about dyno's, you would understand that rear gearing too, makes a difference in how the #'s read... The RWHP is what it is... the a/f is where it needs to be and the timing is where it needs to be.
Moes8
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Kurgan_Motorsports said:
why do you say that?
no one is Un-welcoming you,
we all just discuss what we think/know,
you are welcome here,and i for one,feel you make a difference.
stick around..
driller said:
This is exactly whats irritating me. I feel like im about 30HP lower then I should be.
ONEBADMK8
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Kurgan_Motorsports said:
I never said anything about you, your company or your tuning? I never once said anything about who built it either, where did that come from?
All I made point of is that the same cars had amazingly huge deviations in HP and that was it? Who said you weren't welcome and how did I make you feel "unwelcome" I never knocked nything nor anyone, re-read. Walt had 3.73's and Joey has 4.10's.
m_maker
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With approx. 250rwhp you're exactly where most 2nd gen cars are with headers, full exhaust, and 4.10s and sometimes stock cobra intakes.
Having a reliable tuner is what counts here. Sure you can lean on it all you want and make more, but the keys are reliability and driveability.
Props to Bob at Kurgan.
It might not have been a glory pull, but it's a good pull.
Having a reliable tuner is what counts here. Sure you can lean on it all you want and make more, but the keys are reliability and driveability.
Props to Bob at Kurgan.
It might not have been a glory pull, but it's a good pull.
ONEBADMK8
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Walt's car is his only car and daily driver since 1997. He now has 120k with no issues whatsoever. Get's 29 mpg at 75mph and runs like a clock.
Kurgan_Motorsports
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ONEBADMK8 said:
I try to make some unbiased ideas on why... one being that the dyno we used reads low.. i know this because i tuned on 4 different dynos in the area.. your response was the dyno used at carlisle was tight.. how did you know that? Had you compared it to other dynos? I try bring some ideas to the table and you have an answer for me right away.. Kind of, your way or the highway was the way i read it..
Again, i have dynoed about 300 cars in the last 3 years... most of them are done at speed inc (the dyno we used)... that dyno typically reads lower then others. As a matter of fact, Speed Inc just had a dyno day for some Cobras and everyone complained that their numbers seems low compared to another shop.. It further solidified my theory..
I am more then willing to help out here but please dont come at me with a "i know everything" mentality.
Sorry if i misunderstood you, but everyone is a genius on the internet these days..
Kurgan_Motorsports
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a few thoughts on why Joey may be down on power... #1 His cat back exhaust is NOT mandrel bent. #2 His mufflers are some off brand and may be restrictive. They almost sounds like glasspacks. #3 I pride myself on being conservative and tune on the side of safety.. Im sure there were a few more HP in the tune, but i would rather have Joeys car conservative and last for years..
driller
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Kurgan_Motorsports said:
That's just the way Geno comes across at times on the internet. He's really a nice guy.
(... and I've never met him.)As for internet geniuses... I like this example...
Hee hee hee...
Kurgan_Motorsports
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NICE!!!! hahaha
driller
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Joeychgo said:
It's not anything to tuck your tail about.
I'd like to dyno mine again. Maybe at Carlisle this year? Any bets? :gr_devil:
This freak of a car went 13.6s at the track yesterday with temps in the upper 80's and track temps recorded in the 90s. I wasn't looking for anything better than a 13.8 given the weather.
ONEBADMK8
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Kurgan_Motorsports said:
I said what I said about the dyno at Carisle because that is what the operator told me as well as many others who had concerns about it's accuracy.
I also said the Carlisle dynojet was low too since my buddy dynoed his Cobra on that same dyno and it was down about 22-25 hp compared to his previous dyno just one Month prior therefore that is a fair comparison, so that solidified my statement as well.
When did I ever give an answer of any type as you state? Show me.
Kurgan_Motorsports said:
I will call you on this one. Show me where the "my way or the highway" part comes in please, quote it and post it. Again I relayed FACTS, numbers and results, with NO comments or slander of any type.
Ask Joey, when you first responded hostile like I even asked Joey to read my reply to you and see if he found anything wrong with what I posted and he said "No why" then I showed him this thread.
Kurgan_Motorsports said:
And believe me you for sure misunderstood me. I have been in business doing this car, this engine and nearly nothing more for 8 years now and I help anyone and everyone I can when I can.
Again I stated facts plain and simple and never once said anything more or less. I listed the mods, the weather conditions and the results which I had nothing to do with any of them except for putting the car together. Now if you consider that to be a "know everything mentality" then I for sure am not the one with a problem.
ONEBADMK8
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Kurgan_Motorsports said:
LMAO thats hilarious. Walt has the EXACT same system on his car that ran the 260hp on the dyno. Also I will CHALLENGE you to show me 1 hp better from mandrel vs standard bends with anything not making SERIOUS power!! Show me this EXACT car with a mandrel bent system and I will bet anything that you will not see ANY gains on such small power.[/quote]
Kurgan_Motorsports said:
Even funnier, the "off brand" is our brand which was made to our design specs exclusively by Peterson Exhaust Systems. Restrictive? LOL if I can see light I can't see a restriction! LMAO! The reason they sound that LOUD is because of the headers.
Kurgan_Motorsports said:
Walts car, my car, every car we have done has lasted for years with thousands of SAFE happy miles, you stay conservative and and enjoy.
Kurgan_Motorsports
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why are my ideas funny?? You having fun belittleing me yet? As I stated, im done here.. I cant win with you..
Kurgan_Motorsports
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I guess he is down on power because i dont know wtf Im doing..
Are you happy now? Because i think thats what you are getting to...
good day sir.
Are you happy now? Because i think thats what you are getting to...
good day sir.
Kurgan_Motorsports said:
Actually Bob, Geno (onebadmk8) and I talked about this at length this afternoon. Your tune NEVER came up in our conversation as being the reason for the lack of HP. In fact, Onebadmk8 backed you up on the things you did, agreeing with what you set things at from what I told him. The only opinion he offered contrary to what you have done is that he said he may have gone a bit leaner. but that what you did was perfectly fine.
Guys, there seems to be some misunderstandings in this thread, and its going in the wrong direction unecessarily. Lets take a step back.