Future Lincolns

I'll take that 2008 MKS. 4.4L 315HP. Yeah, that one will do just fine. I'll bet the price tag on it will be $45K. What do you think?
 
paulownian said:
I'll take that 2008 MKS. 4.4L 315HP. Yeah, that one will do just fine. I'll bet the price tag on it will be $45K. What do you think?

I think I would rather have a 425HP SRT8 Charger for $38K.
 
Yeah, I suppose so! As long as we are wishing...

BTW, Mechanicsburg, any photos of your ride?
 
Well unfortunately Lincoln's future doesn not look bright at all. The redesigned Navigator looks horrible and still remains underpowered. This update unfortunately was not a major remodification to revamp this important model that is really Lincoln's continued existance. Let's face it if Navigator sales go south there goes the brand. With the new redesigned Escalade, boasting major performance and technological improvements it just separated the two vehicles into two different classifications. The current issue of Motor Trend just proves this. For years the magazine did an article called Who's the King of the Hill? It started between the Mark series and the Eldorado and continued with the Escalade and the Navigator. The magazine now rates the new Escalade with the Ranger Rover. Lincoln is not even in the picture. As the magazine also says; That Lincoln is now viewed by many as a trim level on a upscale Ford.
 
paulownian said:
Yeah, I suppose so! As long as we are wishing...

BTW, Mechanicsburg, any photos of your ride?


Nope, no photos. I have a bone stock autumn 2001 V8 Sport. I've had it for just over a year. Traded in a 97 Olds Aurora that was falling apart with only 65K miles on it. Had a 93 SHO before the Olds.
 
lexmarkz00 said:
Chargers are ghetto though... yeah, the LS is too... just not as much, though.
Maybe your LS is ghetto, but mine isn't. :p
 
Aviatorguy said:
Well unfortunately Lincoln's future doesn not look bright at all.
How do you figure that? The last figures I saw showed that Lincoln's sales are up, and that they're up without big (advertised) incentives, and despite bad weather. The Zephyr is selling well (as are the Fusion and Milan), and the addition of the Duratec 35 and AWD certainly aren't going to hurt it. Even LS sales are up (which really isn't saying much).

Personally, I figure the MKS will fit in the LS V8's price range, in the $40K-$48K range. It's supposed to be the flagship sedan, but they have to leave room for the Town Car's replacement, which can't go very much above $50K, or it'll start competing with Jaguar.
 
SoonerLS said:
Maybe your LS is ghetto, but mine isn't. :p

I hope my LS isn't ghetto. I was going for more of a barrio look. :) Viva La Raza!
 
SoonerLS said:
How do you figure that? The last figures I saw showed that Lincoln's sales are up, and that they're up without big (advertised) incentives, and despite bad weather. The Zephyr is selling well (as are the Fusion and Milan), and the addition of the Duratec 35 and AWD certainly aren't going to hurt it. Even LS sales are up (which really isn't saying much).

Personally, I figure the MKS will fit in the LS V8's price range, in the $40K-$48K range. It's supposed to be the flagship sedan, but they have to leave room for the Town Car's replacement, which can't go very much above $50K, or it'll start competing with Jaguar.

The LS was IMHO, _way_ overpriced at $48 fully loaded. It's just not that much car. When I bought my LS in February, I had a $48K + tax & license budget. The LS wasn't even on the radar screen at that price. I was looking at the BMW 530i, the Infiniti M35 and I had a deposit down on a Chrysler 300C SRT-8. I liked the looks of the LS, but there's no way it could compete at that price point. Then they went on sale at $10K off of MSRP and I took a second look. At the $37K range, I compared a loaded Nissan Maxima, a Toyota Avalon, an Acura TL and a non-SRT 300C. I drove them all and the LS narrowly won due to its quiet, smooth ride (the 300C was sweet, but suffers a lot of wind noise).

The LS is a $38K car. I really don't know how they sold any at $48K. Let's hope the MKS is a lot more car if it's going to be in that price range, or it will face the same slow sales as the LS.
 
Sloban,now that you own an LS, what is your opinion on it? I always liked these cars,and when I went new car shopping,I drove a new Caddy for schitz and giggles.I have not had any second thoughts,have you? As for ghetto,obviously this kid has never been to N.Y. . You name it, someones sportin' a fancy car in the slums, cars that cost alot more than ours.Not to mention those dubs,rims or whatever the hell they call them.
 
lexmarkz00 said:
Chargers are ghetto though... yeah, the LS is too... just not as much, though.

You just called the LS ghetto...Why the hell do you drive one then? Get something else if you're not satisfied. I would love to have the 300 C SRT 8!! Those look so nice. I think my next vehicle could be the Grand Cherokee SRT 8, I just love the styling on them. If not that it may be the MKS...DO AWAY WITH THAT CRAZY INTERIOR, stupid Lincoln...I hate that navigator, stupid cheese shaver grille
 
mint05LS said:
Sloban,now that you own an LS, what is your opinion on it? I always liked these cars,and when I went new car shopping,I drove a new Caddy for schitz and giggles.I have not had any second thoughts,have you? As for ghetto,obviously this kid has never been to N.Y. . You name it, someones sportin' a fancy car in the slums, cars that cost alot more than ours.Not to mention those dubs,rims or whatever the hell they call them.

Sorry, but this got kind of long. You're asking about one of my favorite subjects: my LS! :D

I love the styling of the LS, especially lowered. The ride is very refined while still handling quite well in corners. Those are the two best things about it for my taste.

The manual shift mode of the automatic is great. Some of them (like in the 2004 Maxima SE I'm coming off of) treat your gear selection like it was a general suggestion and go ahead and do whatever they want anyway. The LS's seems to do what I say.

The power and acceleration are good enough for my purposes, although it would benefit from a little firmer shift and quicker throttle response, but again, I'm coming off of a V6 and manual throttle linkage. Steering response at speed is spot on, but in the parking lot I have to move the wheel a lot more than I'm used to.

The interior control layout is, to me, almost perfect. Even during the first test-drive, I could easily use the climate control, stereo and lights without hunting around. The ones in the BMW and Maxima were just awful, I thought.

A couple of nits to pick: No heated steering wheel, which is not so much something I'll miss in southern California, than it something that seems like it should be there. The front seats could be 3/4" wider, but then, I'm somewhat well-endowed in the posterior department. :)

Finally, my biggest nit, is with the Nav/THX screen controls. For navigation, the touch-screen is sweet to use, much better than a stupid joystick control. But the presets for the stereo! There are no physical buttons for the presets, so you have to have the Audio screen displayed to change presets. But if you're using the Nav, that means you have to select the Audio mode, select the preset and then return to the Map mode. Annoyingly, the voice control has Seek Up/Down, but no command for Presets. Pffft!

I've owned around 80% Fords and Mercurys in the 31 years I've owned cars. This is my first Lincoln and I'm very pleased with it for the $37222 that I paid. It just fits me and my driving style nicely and compares favorably with other cars in the price range. I would not have bought it at MSRP however, there are better cars in that price range.

Oh yeah, I just thought of one other complaint, but it's definitely NOT unique to Ford/Lincoln/Mecury ... the factory paint jobs that I've seen on new cars this time around are shameful. Hey guys, you're supposed to AVOID orange peel, not STRIVE FOR IT! :rolleyes:
 
God damn... you guys are way too sensitive when it comes to your precious little car. :eek: I was just saying that the Charger (being only $30,000) was pretty ghetto, yet I didn't want to make it seem like the LS (being $40,000) was THAT MUCH better than it (we all know there are better cars out there). Either way, that probably doesn't even apply to you people, seeing as how most "LVC-ers" seem to have used 2000-2002 models. And yes, I do plan on getting another vehicle... I'm thinking a Range Rover Sport, but I don't really feel like getting a job. I'll probably still hold on to the LS for a bit though, only because they aren't being made anymore. So yeah, calm down? :)

And yes, I've been to New York. I'm only going to NYU next year... "ghetto" is relative, not absolute. Sheesh.
 
sloban said:
Finally, my biggest nit, is with the Nav/THX screen controls. For navigation, the touch-screen is sweet to use, much better than a stupid joystick control. But the presets for the stereo! There are no physical buttons for the presets, so you have to have the Audio screen displayed to change presets. But if you're using the Nav, that means you have to select the Audio mode, select the preset and then return to the Map mode. Annoyingly, the voice control has Seek Up/Down, but no command for Presets. Pffft!


Scott, you do not have to have the screen in Audio mode to use the presets. In Map mode, you can touch the "Next" button on the steering wheel and select the next preset on the radio. You can toggle through all the presets this way, while displaying the map at the same time. There will be a band at the top of the map display showing (briefly) the station and preset. There is no voice command for presets because you can do it easily through the Next button as I described.

Similarly, you can switch media sources while in Map mode by pressing the Media button. You can toggle through all the media sources (AM/FM1/FM2/CD, and in my case SAT1/SAT2/SAT3). After selecting the media source you can use the Next button to select the next preset, or in the case of CD mode, the next track.
 
sloban said:
I've owned around 80% Fords and Mercurys in the 31 years I've owned cars. This is my first Lincoln and I'm very pleased with it for the $37222 that I paid. It just fits me and my driving style nicely and compares favorably with other cars in the price range. I would not have bought it at MSRP however, there are better cars in that price range.

Very well said Sloban. I couldn't have said it better...and that is the single biggest reason we no longer have the LS. The LS is one fantastic car...no doubt...but not at 48K. There are just too many other options at that price.
 
lexmarkz00 said:
God damn... you guys are way too sensitive when it comes to your precious little car. :eek: I was just saying that the Charger (being only $30,000) was pretty ghetto, yet I didn't want to make it seem like the LS (being $40,000) was THAT MUCH better than it (we all know there are better cars out there). Either way, that probably doesn't even apply to you people, seeing as how most "LVC-ers" seem to have used 2000-2002 models. And yes, I do plan on getting another vehicle... I'm thinking a Range Rover Sport, but I don't really feel like getting a job. I'll probably still hold on to the LS for a bit though, only because they aren't being made anymore. So yeah, calm down? :)

And yes, I've been to New York. I'm only going to NYU next year... "ghetto" is relative, not absolute. Sheesh.

You 'll have a different point of view when you pay for your own LS instead of Mom paying for it for you. While you're at it, why not have her pay for the Range Rover too?

It's beyond my comprehension why any parent would buy their 17 year old kid a brand new $40K Lincoln. I sure wouldn't. Any other parents out there disagree?
 
It's beyond my comprehension why any parent would buy their 17 year old kid a brand new $40K Lincoln. I sure wouldn't. Any other parents out there disagree?[/QUOTE]

I agree. I'm 22 and all three of my vehicles I paid for myself along with insurance and repairs. Sure times get tough, especially in college (which I also paid for) but I think it is a major problem with our society that people don't get off their lazy butts and work. I think it makes you appreciate what you have.
 
ToddG said:
Scott, you do not have to have the screen in Audio mode to use the presets. In Map mode, you can touch the "Next" button on the steering wheel and select the next preset on the radio. You can toggle through all the presets this way, while displaying the map at the same time. There will be a band at the top of the map display showing (briefly) the station and preset. There is no voice command for presets because you can do it easily through the Next button as I described.

Similarly, you can switch media sources while in Map mode by pressing the Media button. You can toggle through all the media sources (AM/FM1/FM2/CD, and in my case SAT1/SAT2/SAT3). After selecting the media source you can use the Next button to select the next preset, or in the case of CD mode, the next track.

Ah ha! Thanks Todd!
 
LOL, it's only $40... the Navigator was $55... however, a Range Rover is about $70... my parents have to draw the line somewhere... :(

And if you think I'M bad, perhaps you should watch MTV's "Super Sweet 16". Anyway, can we get back on topic about how the new Lincolns suck? Please & thank you. :)
 
let me put it this way, now that the LS is gone i will think of going to the 06' LS in a couple of years, if not im done with lincoln. I just saw these new cars and the outisde, ok, not bad except for the MKX (fugly!!!) But the inside of all these has gone to Sh!t the gauges look like they belong on a 1960's car and the just the overall design is all GRANDPA. Though the MKS's exterior is extremely aggressive and awesome, i wouldnt drop a dime on it. besides ford probably dropped the power on it from the LS. The 06' LS & Navigator was lincolns last great ride (IMO) and now they just blew it big time. Sorry to ford but most likly my next car will be a 745i or a CLK AMG. once you go luxury you never go back.
 
lexmarkz00 said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but they don't even make 745's anymore. :(

How do you know he didn't mean a pre-owned one?

LOL, it's only $40... the Navigator was $55... however, a Range Rover is about $70... my parents have to draw the line somewhere...

"Only $40". Wow, that says a lot. I guess we all don't have the save view of what's expensive these days.

And if you think I'M bad, perhaps you should watch MTV's "Super Sweet 16". Anyway, can we get back on topic about how the new Lincolns suck? Please & thank you.

No, I want to continue talking about spoiled teenagers. Since you have no job, I assume Mom is paying for NYU, right?
 

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