God is Only a Theory

[cammerfe]

You are conflating 'evidence' and your own wishful thinking. One variation of obsessive-compulsive thinking seeks to control everything in your immediate vicinity due to a background of being aware of your degree of helplessness.

Please observe, and dwell on, your aggression toward my belief system. You started this discussion, many months ago, by 'coming after' my beliefs. Your attempts at belittling me for my beliefs simply expose your own unease. Take a big breath and relax a bit.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Ken

 

[04_Sport_LS]

this how you got your wife? rape her, pay the father a few sheckels and she's yours?

" a rape is worth $380"

FIRST... a person can't look at todays value, (purchasing power), of a shekel... and transpose that back to thousands of years ago. Back in Old Testament times,,, 50 shekels was over 6 MONTHS wages. Redo THAT math for whatever you earn in that time.

Not to mention that the man was obligated to marry the woman he raped... and could never divorce her. Once again you are spouting things from a point of ignorance.

- The average sentence for rape in Canada is 3.85 years and 6 years in the US

Couldn't find comparisons on fines... but I'm sure Canada fines are less too.

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And AGAIN... you post a pic in #839,,, throwing Bible scripture back in the face of believers. Fine and fair enough,,, but then you say THIS:

and this is why my morals are higher. i don't have a passage in my morals to have slaves. i hate nobody unless they've done me wrong.

There's your contradictive double standard AGAIN!!! You supposedly have higher morals than everyone else, (by your own standards),,, but hate people that do you wrong... when Jesus says that we are supposed to love people EVEN when they do us wrong. Trust me,,, that is definitely a challenge at times.

that pick and choose is the problem with the bible. if it doesn't apply, you should remove it and stop promoting hate with it.

And you are not guilty of doing the same thing??? You are the worst on this thread for picking and choosing... ESPECIALLY when taking parts of the Bible out of context.

The Bible does not promote hate.... people do,,, especially people that take parts of the Bible out of context,,, (such as yourself), and/or try to use God to serve their own selfish purpose.

There is NOTHING that needs to be removed from the Bible,,, but it DOES need to be understood in proper context!!! If people apply wrong interpretations to any part of what the Bible says... it is because of ignorance and/or lack of knowledge... or intentional deception.

I have suggested to you to read the Bible as a history book, (of the nature of man). Until you do that,,, you will remain ignorant.

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As far as your pic in post #850... while the King James Bible does have many issues,,, the rest of what is said in post #850 is a bunch of lying BS. There are many Biblical records that pre-date the KJV by 1500+ years. PLUS you ignore the fact, (intentionally or otherwise), that the sole purpose of the Jewish Scribes... was to copy, (word for word and mark for mark), the ancient Scriptures,,, and they were at least "triple checked" (counted word for word and mark for mark), by other Scribes to make sure there were no errors.

Some of the other Scriptures that pre-date the King James: (some Google)

What books were in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Of the scrolls found, about a quarter (220 in all) are books of the Hebrew Bible, or what Christians call the Old Testament: all the books, in fact, except Esther and Nehemiah. The most common books found are Psalms and Deuteronomy.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in a series of twelve caves around the site known as Wadi Qumran near the Dead Sea in the West Bank (of the Jordan River) between 1946 and 1956 by Bedouin shepherds and a team of archeologists.

So WRM... sources found 60+ years ago... prove that most Biblical translations have accurately been passed down for thousands of years... from:

The Jewish Torah,,, the longest surviving record of the Old Testament... still being used by the Jewish people today, (and some of it parallels the Q'ran).

More:

Codex Sinaiticus - Wikipedia
Codex Sinaiticus - Wikipedia

1. Cached
2. Similar

Until the discovery by Constantin von Tischendorf of the Sinaiticus text, the Codex Vaticanus was unrivaled. The Codex Sinaiticus came to the attention of scholars in the 19th century at Saint Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Peninsula, with further material discovered in the 20th and 21st centuries. Although parts of the ...
Found‎: ‎Sinai 1844
Date‎: ‎c. 330–360
Text‎: ‎Old‎ and ‎New Testament
Script‎: ‎Greek

When were the gospels written and by whom?
Although some scholars disagree, the vast majority of researchers believe that Mark was the first Gospel to be written, sometime around the year 70. This scholarly consensus holds that the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke were composed, independently of one another, sometime in the 80s or 90s.

That's A.D. 70, 80, and 90 Wrm. First century,,, written by the people thay were named after. Lot's of historical written Biblical works that easily pre date the King James

 

[04_Sport_LS]

? sorry. don't understand. you're no longer religious?

I don't think Cam is religious,,, nor has he said anything religious in this thread.

Sarcasm accepted... but implication rejected Wrm.
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i already live freely and lightly. it's what happens when you face truth.

Then it's true... ignorance IS bliss!
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i don't hate those of faith ks.

No... you just ridicule, mock, poke fun at, provicate, and say other things that border on hate speech. Then when that isn't enough... you get antagonistic, crude, rude, and nasty.

So much for your, (self serving), high moral, (double), standandards.

why do you need to create a creator to create creation? then you have the problem of what created the creator, and so on.

AND as I said maaany posts ago.... scientists have proven that nothing can come from nothing. So if that is true,,, and everything started from the "big bang"... what caused the big bang if NOTHING existed before that?????????? You never did give an answer to that.

told you you threw out critical thinking

And you don't seem to want to do it at all. Much easier to deny something than investigate the possibilities... isn't it??????????????????????

AmsterDutch said: ↑
“Jesus answered them not a word.”

of course he didn't answer, he's not real.

prove jesus

my fingers are out of my ears and my mind open to any factual evidence.

Already did that early on in this thread... and you ignored it. Historical writings of non-Christian references to Jesus.

there are those who kill for god. they would think that a life is less valuable than their imaginary friend. think about that. they would kill you because you don't agree with their point of view of something that if never told about you would not know of

And they would be those "religious" brown skinned non eglish speaking middle eastern people that stoned that woman in the video I provided. Been saying it for quite a while now Wrm. Big difference between faith and religion. Religion often causes the death of many other people. Faith ususally only causes death on an individual basis.

 

[hrmwrm]

FIRST... a person can't look at todays value, (purchasing power), of a shekel... and transpose that back to thousands of years ago. Back in Old Testament times,,, 50 shekels was over 6 MONTHS wages. Redo THAT math for whatever you earn in that time.

so i rape her, pay it, and i'm not charged with rape. gotta be cheaper than a lawyer.

Not to mention that the man was obligated to marry the woman he raped... and could never divorce her. Once again you are spouting things from a point of ignorance.

well, i already said that, so, you better choose her well before you rape her. so your ok with it. i also noted that the woman has now been permanently sentenced to her abuser. but i noticed you left that moral out.

 

[cammerfe]

Worm, I notice that the positive frenzy of libs being 'outed' as molesters doesn't seem to have you wringing your hands and dis-avowing all lib/ progressive thought because some of its champions have been found to be 'bad guys'. Yet you pick and choose inconsistencies, based on folkways of the time, that appear over a period of thousands of years to dismiss the central point. Faith in God is what sets us apart.

Merry Christmas!

Ken

 

[04_Sport_LS]

Ya know Wrm... something didn't seem right with YOUR interpretation of the Bible on rape,,, so I double checked. Guess what??? As usual you were wrong,,, either by ignorance or intention. I will now list that section of the Bible,,, and interject thoughts in green to explain the ideas properly.

Ready class???

Deuteronomy 22:13-30 (NLT)

Regulations for Sexual Purity

13“Suppose a man marries a woman, but after sleeping with her, he turns against her 14and publicly accuses her of shameful conduct, saying, ‘When I married this woman, I discovered she was not a virgin.’ 15Then the woman’s father and mother must bring the proof of her virginity to the elders as they hold court at the town gate. 16Her father must say to them, ‘I gave my daughter to this man to be his wife, and now he has turned against her. 17He has accused her of shameful conduct, saying, “I discovered that your daughter was not a virgin.” But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.’ Then they must spread her bed sheet before the elders. (usually a virgin bleeds when her hymen is broken) 18The elders must then take the man and punish him. 19They must also fine him 100 pieces of silver,b which he must pay to the woman’s father because he publicly (falsely) accused a virgin of Israel of shameful conduct. The woman will then remain the man’s wife, and he may never divorce her.

20“But suppose the man’s accusations are true, and he can show that she was not a virgin. 21The woman must be taken to the door of her father’s home, and there the men of the town must stone her to death, for she has committed a disgraceful crime in Israel by being promiscuous (self expanitory) while living in her parents’ home. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you.

22“If a man is discovered committing adultery, both he and the woman must die. In this way, you will purge Israel of such evil.

23“Suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin who is engaged to be married, and he has sexual intercourse with her. If this happens within a town, 24you must take both of them to the gates of that town and stone them to death. The woman is guilty because she did not scream for help. (meaning that she was willing to cheat on her soon to be husband) The man must die because he violated another man’s wife. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you.

25“But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. (<<< catch that Wrm?) 26Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. 27Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her. (HERE the woman is raped,,, but is given the benefit of the doubt. ALSO notice that the man is killed for the rape!!!)

28“Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.c Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives. (THIS is the part I challenge that you are twisting for whatever reason,,, and taking out of proper context!!! The woman is not engaged,,, and is NOT raped... which suggests she was a willing participant. In this circumstance,,, the father is paid... and the man is obligated to marry her for life... who in these circumstances,,, is NOT an abuser.)

30d“A man must not marry his father’s former wife, for this would violate his father.

End of Deut CH 22.

There is your moral code of the Bible Wrm! Not as you posed it... but as it is actually written.

As far as the news story you included in the post...


Since the man said god, (non-capitalized on purpose), told him to do it... then he is fricking mentally ill,,, or twisted Scipture to justify his actions.............. because God would never tell ANYONE to do something like that. It was the man's own selfishness, and desires, and lack of self control that caused him rape that girl. Plus the girl didn't want to marry him... and I sincerely doubt the wife/mother would like that either.

 

[04_Sport_LS]

Oooops. Only the parts in parentheses, (within the Bible verses), was supposed to be green. Not sure what happened


FIXED!

 

[hrmwrm]

see, your version of 28 doesn't use the word rape, yet this one does.
funny you chose the version that agrees with your arguement. maybe just ignorance or intention.

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 22 - New International Version

check all versions before you come back with an arguement. just proves the bible has no truth except to those that read it. and no wonder you have 30,000+ flavours of christianity.
the bible is still a work of fiction.

 

[hrmwrm]

Worm, I notice that the positive frenzy of libs being 'outed' as molesters doesn't seem to have you wringing your hands and dis-avowing all lib/ progressive thought because some of its champions have been found to be 'bad guys'.

see just as many or more white supremacist conservatives being charged for sexual asaault, and more in the christan conservative being charged with child sex crimes.
i've posted a few here. weinstein wasn't a child molester. roy moore is.
weinstein was outed and removed. moore tried to continue to win an election, and the big pussy grabber was elected president.
so, why does the left ostracize theirs and the right ignore and elect?
because of the patriarchal society of religion who doesn't believe the women.
your blind to a lot of things there ken.

did you read this article from thetrump thread?
The Biggest Loser in the Alabama Election

 

[hrmwrm]

AND as I said maaany posts ago.... scientists have proven that nothing can come from nothing. So if that is true,,, and everything started from the "big bang"... what caused the big bang if NOTHING existed before that?????????? You never did give an answer to that.

true. nothing can come from nothing. so, where did god come from? you ruin that arguement yourself.
it's like i say, i'd rather have questions with no answers, than answers that can't be questioned.
and i've never said NOTHING existed. we just don't know. and i'm okay with that.

 

[cammerfe]

It's astounding, worm, how you work so hard to try to find minor inconsistencies in various translations of the Bible, but have no trouble with glaringly obvious inconsistencies in the lib/prog line of 'thought'. Happy New Year!

Ken

 

[hrmwrm]

but have no trouble with glaringly obvious inconsistencies in the lib/prog line of 'thought'.

start another thread and post the problem you're having ks. roy moore and his followers are the shining example of conservative christian problems.
pedophilia is rampant in religion. it's not just the catholics.

 

[cammerfe]

Beating on the story of Moore shows your progressive bent and that you have nothing worthwhile to talk about. In that particular case there is convincing information that the complaints were purchased by massive payment from Allred and NO proof that anything actually happened at all. The stories don't fit the facts, there's obvious lying regarding the writing---done by more than one person---and the complaints about age differences are meaningless. There was a gap of about forty years with NO suggestion of wrong action during multiple contentious state elections. All the ruckus appears---with the money---just in time to deal with an election of national significance.

Find something new to complain about. You're talking about yesterday's non-news.

Ken

 

[hrmwrm]

humanism isn't political, but you want to roll it that way. it's neither left nor right. but you continue to call me a lefty. i have no political affiliation. just do unto all what happens to a few. moore is so effed up he doesn't believe god would let a democrat win. when the right start ousting theirs, i'll stop mentioning it.

Find something new to complain about. You're talking about yesterday's non-news.

just replying to your post #880. i can provide a long list. here's a sample from the past.

Evil members of the Republican Party and supporters thereof who have abused children despite their high-and-mighty crusades for the return to moral values. The following is a partial list; due to the neocon obsession with NAMBLA, names with asterisks next to them are suitable for membership in that organization through their repulsive actions.

And feel free to research these people independently.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young


never mind the recent prolifer who asked his MISSTRESS to have an ABORTION.


happy new year ks.

 

[cammerfe]

One thing for sure, you have cut-'n'-paste down to a science. Whatever you call yourself, you are clearly espousing a lib/progressive viewpoint.

Ken

 

[AmsterDutch]

humanism isn't political, but you want to roll it that way. it's neither left nor right. but you continue to call me a lefty. i have no political affiliation. just do unto all what happens to a few. moore is so effed up he doesn't believe god would let a democrat win. when the right start ousting theirs, i'll stop mentioning it.

just replying to your post #880. i can provide a long list. here's a sample from the past.

Evil members of the Republican Party and supporters thereof who have abused children despite their high-and-mighty crusades for the return to moral values. The following is a partial list; due to the neocon obsession with NAMBLA, names with asterisks next to them are suitable for membership in that organization through their repulsive actions.

And feel free to research these people independently.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young


never mind the recent prolifer who asked his MISSTRESS to have an ABORTION.


happy new year ks.

humanism isn't political, but you want to roll it that way. it's neither left nor right. but you continue to call me a lefty. i have no political affiliation. just do unto all what happens to a few. moore is so effed up he doesn't believe god would let a democrat win. when the right start ousting theirs, i'll stop mentioning it.

just replying to your post #880. i can provide a long list. here's a sample from the past.

Evil members of the Republican Party and supporters thereof who have abused children despite their high-and-mighty crusades for the return to moral values. The following is a partial list; due to the neocon obsession with NAMBLA, names with asterisks next to them are suitable for membership in that organization through their repulsive actions.

And feel free to research these people independently.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young


never mind the recent prolifer who asked his MISSTRESS to have an ABORTION.


happy new year ks.

" Evolutionists really amuse me. They are clueless about this, because they’re living under the self-deception that man is getting better, that he’s improving. The idea of evolution is that man starts from simplicity and mutates upward into complexity. That he starts from a very low and minimalistic level of intelligence and mutates upward to a greater intelligence. That he starts at a base level morally and he moves up to a higher and higher level morally. But the fact of just life itself, the truth about man is a refutation of evolution. Because the fact of the matter is: man isn’t getting better; he’s getting worse. He’s accumulating iniquities at a rapid rate, and with technological advances he is accumulating wretchedness faster than ever.

Man did not begin at the bottom of the moral ladder and slowly, by psychological evolution, rise higher. That’s just not true. In fact, if you study human history basically there hasn’t been really any change. Men are morally no better than they were in the past, and I suppose in some ways no worse than they were in the past. You can trace the patterns of wretchedness through all of human history. But the advancements that have come technologically, and by science through the centuries, have only enabled man to escalate and exacerbate his corruption.

What has gone wrong? If man began at the top, as Genesis 1 and 2 would tell us, and everything was very good, and man was created in the image of God, he started at the top, and he’s been plunging down through the abyss of darkness headed for a deep bottom ever since. What went wrong? What happened here? This isn’t the way it was in the original creation. The downward plunge doesn’t seem to be able to be stopped. It’s like man has fallen from heaven without a parachute, and he’s plunging at break neck speed toward hell with nothing to stop him. And his life is basically defined by wickedness and evil in every aspect, every relationship.

What happened is recorded for us in Genesis 3. Let me read you the first seven verses. “Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field in which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, ‘Indeed, has God said you shall not eat from any tree of the garden?’ And the woman said to the serpent, ‘From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. But from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden God has said you shall not eat from it, or touch it lest you die.’ Now the serpent said to the woman, ‘You surely shall not die.’” You know, what’s death? No such thing existed. “‘For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened and you’ll be like God, knowing good and evil.’ When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate. And she gave also to her husband with her and he ate. Then, the eyes of both of them were opened and they knew that they were naked, and they sowed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” John MacArthur writings on sin...please read the whole study in it's entirety ....maybe your eyes will be opened also

 

[AmsterDutch]

Actually wanted to stay off this thread but find it very interesting with the opposition of view points from both beliefs ....saw it going political and thought I'd steer it back to topic ...remember politics and religion go hand in hand they're only good for one thing....starting wars ....Cheers everyone

 

[04_Sport_LS]

see, your version of 28 doesn't use the word rape, yet this one does.
funny you chose the version that agrees with your arguement. maybe just ignorance or intention.

I could say the same about you. In fact,,, I don't use the NIV... because it's almost as bad as you accuse the KJV of being. Truth is... some versions use the word rape in verse 28... and some don't.

OK smartass... let's use the interlinear greek, (if you know how to read right to left), which also includes the Hebrew language.

Verse 25 Interlinear Version uses "force"... for the word rape.

2388 [e]
wə·he·ḥĕ·zîq-
וְהֶחֱזִֽיק־
and force
Verb

Verse 28 Interlinear Version uses the word "lie" , (lay)... which is NOT rape!

7901 [e]
wə·šā·ḵaḇ
וְשָׁכַ֣ב
and lie
Verb


Several versions of the Bible say towards the middle of that verse "and they be found"... which implies that it was consensual, (she didn't cry out).

4672 [e]
wə·nim·ṣā·’ū.
וְנִמְצָֽאוּ׃
and they are found
Verb

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,

Now the word before "lie"(with),,, is seize, take hold, caught, lay hold... and more.

8610 [e]
ū·ṯə·p̄ā·śāh
וּתְפָשָׂ֖הּ
and lay hold
Verb

So I see why some translations use the word "rape". But again... she didn't cry out. So it seems she was an unwed, unengaged virgin,,, and both were willing participants... They snuck behind "daddys back" and had fun. And because they got caught "having fun",,, they had to marry for life... plus the man had to pay a penalty for not getting engaged with,,, or marrying the woman first.

Deuteronomy 22 Interlinear Bible

 

[04_Sport_LS]

I knew you couldn't stay away Dutch.

 

[04_Sport_LS]

true. nothing can come from nothing. so, where did god come from? you ruin that arguement yourself.
it's like i say, i'd rather have questions with no answers, than answers that can't be questioned.
and i've never said NOTHING existed. we just don't know. and i'm okay with that.

Well you're questioning my answers... so I guess I'm doing pretty good by your own terms.

Where did God come from? I don't know,,, but I believe He created the "big bang" since nothing material existed before that. Basically,,, God pre-existed creation. But I've been down that road before with you... so go ahead and mock.

You still haven't answered what cause the big bang,,, since there was nothing before it. And I never suggested that YOU said nothing existed. I'm just asking you that since science has proven that nothing comes from nothing,,, ... ,,, how did something come from nothing? How did we get to be here,,, within space and time... if we came from nothing, (as science has proven, or failed to explain).

 

[04_Sport_LS]

pedophilia is rampant in religion. it's not just the catholics.

And it's not just within religious/faith groups either.

 

[04_Sport_LS]

never mind the recent prolifer who asked his MISSTRESS to have an ABORTION.

Yeah... the whole human race is hypocritical. You've even proven it about yourself by some of the things you have said in this thread. Get over it and move on.

Just remember...

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Go hand in hand in hand.

Ancient Greece and Rome should be a good, (failed), example of that.

 

[hrmwrm]

OK smartass... let's use the interlinear greek, (if you know how to read right to left), which also includes the Hebrew language.

use the mandarin version if you must. i'm sure it's written differently too, like the other works of fiction.

the stark contrast between the 2 doesn't bother you? one is a couple of randy teenagers, the other is a physical violent act on a woman.
you just want to use the randy teen one without wondering which is ultimately right. the 2 if applied to society, make up very different laws.
one is you're marrying who you impregnate, and the other is the eternal bonding of the victim to the abuser.

hardly makes it inspired when they interpret it to whatever they want. the fact the bible says you can own HUMAN slaves means it's hardly a decent book to pull morality from.
i point out the shit in the bible, because it's what you are arguing in favour of. it's like picking the best of naziism and ignoring the rest. (i don't think there is a best of naziism, just making a point)
no 2 versions are the same, or they wouldn't exist. so you're not even practicing the true faith, because nobody knows which one it is. (they're all fiction.)
go learn some critical thinking 04. you will thank me later in life.

One thing for sure, you have cut-'n'-paste down to a science. Whatever you call yourself, you are clearly espousing a lib/progressive viewpoint.

i would call it humanist. i was just pointing out the sexual predators who did the right thing and stepped down until it's dealt with, and those who refuse to do the right thing and step down. it's neither left nor right. it's just what IS right.
out of the most prominent, we know who they are. the rest is just answering where you were headed.

 

[04_Sport_LS]

when the right start ousting theirs, i'll stop mentioning it.

This coming from a canadian. Careful of your "glass house" Wrm.

and no wonder you have 30,000+ flavours of christianity.

And you are full of shit too. The are about 80 different Christian denominations. There ARE 30,000 - 40,000 different Christian organizations.

Denominations would be the "flavor",,, while organizations would be the "service" groups, (that feed the hungry, clothe the poor, etc., etc.)

Keep twisting Don... er I mean Wrm.

 

[04_Sport_LS]

the stark contrast between the 2 doesn't bother you?

What??? Between verse 25 and verse 28? Yes... there is a stark contrast between the two verses. One, (25), outright defines as rape,,, and the other verse, (28), is somewhat ambiguous. All other verses in that area,,, deal with punishment as death, (for someone). In verse 28... it's a different situation.

You ignore the fact of a different culture that didn't just let boy and girl wander off by themselves, (no matter what the tv potrays today), there was (no contact) gender separation. Thus the "if they are found" part of the verse. They snuck off... and got caught. The 50 shekels was most likely compensation for taking the girls virginity. He screwed her,,, then he had to marry her to save her "honor". Basically... he "bought the cow instead of getting the milk for free".

You definitely ain't dazzeling me with your brilliance,,, and you're not gonna baffle me with your bullshit either.

Personally... I don't own any slaves, and never have... and have no intention. Last I checked it's illeagal in most countries. Cept maybe parts of the middle east. Again... look at the Bible as a history book. Every one had slaves back then,,, and everyone was a slave back then at some point, (if they weren't killed). The Israelites owned slaves,,, and were slaves at different points in time. Seems to me though... that God told Israel,,, they could only own each slave for 7 years,,, and then they were free. Whereas most other countries that enslaved the Israelites... enslaved them much longer that 7 years.