Gop To Launch 'white Flag'

[Calabrio]

Gop To Launch 'white Flag'... Retreat and Defeat Vid.

Democrats only have a “retreat and defeat” message on the war in Iraq.

EXCLUSIVE: GOP TO LAUNCH 'WHITE FLAG' DEM ATTACK
Thu Dec 08 2005 18:02:44 ET

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from a top GOP operative that the Republican National Committee will provide state parties with a web video prior to release tomorrow afternoon that shows a white flag waving over images of Democrat leaders making anti-war remarks.

The ad is in response to the controversial comments Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean and 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry made earlier in the week.

A Democratic strategist who had the web ad described to her said, “This is way over the top but we have no one to blame but Dean, Kerry and others who continue to pander to the anti-war activists within our party.”

The web video advances the Republican contention that the Democrats only have a “retreat and defeat” message on the war in Iraq.

The video highlights the effect Democrats can have on the morale of U.S. soldiers.

One Republican strategist familiar with the ad said, “The Democrats, especially Howard Dean have a way of trying to turn the tables and say ‘that’s not what I meant’ – its just those ‘evil Republicans’ This video will make them crazy – it reinforces what they really believe with what they actually said – and that is devastating for the Democratic Party.”

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[TheDude]

Lol.... How many conser/repubs cry in here and accuse the left of using dirty tactics that only hurt the country? (ie the 'X' over Cheney). Now the right blatantly does it.... Hypocritical to the core this is.

Also Calabrio, I'm surprised you posted this, I refer you to a statement you made in the 'John Kerry, The Traitor' thread.

When "statesmen" go public and make claims that damage the image of our country, they are immediately picked up by the foreign media and used for propoganda purposes. These people need to be very careful when stating things in public and take into account the positives and negatives associated with any comment. This is especially true during periods of war.

And while most American's don't feel like we're in a War, we are. Not just in Iraq, but around the world right now.

Don't you think foreign media will get a hold of this and use it to encourge the enemy? I ask you, why is the right emboldening terrorists and hurting our troops?

 

[MonsterMark]

BRAVO GOP!

'Bout time I say.

In response to your comment 95DevilleNS, this is exactly the opposite. The enemies that your party has already emboldened will see this for what it is. The Conservatives are still in charge and will continue to safe-keep this Country, a Country that many hundreds of thousands have died for to keep safe.

There is no question that this country and its people want to be safe. This 'propaganda' campaign will expose the left for what it is. Appeasers that are willing to sacrifice our Country's independence for their 'bogus' ideals.

 

[TheDude]

BRAVO GOP!

'Bout time I say.

In response to your comment 95DevilleNS, this is exactly the opposite. The enemies that your party has already emboldened will see this for what it is. The Conservatives are still in charge and will continue to safe-keep this Country, a Country that many hundreds of thousands have died for to keep safe.

There is no question that this country and its people want to be safe. This 'propaganda' campaign will expose the left for what it is. Appeasers that are willing to sacrifice our Country's independence for their 'bogus' ideals.

Lol, thats a cop-out.........

The left does it they're traitors....

The right does the same exact thing, they're heroes....

Republicans = Hypocrites
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Feel free to respond Calabrio, unless you have the same exact sentiments as MonsterMark.

 

[MonsterMark]

Lol, thats a cop-out.........

The left does it they're traitors....

The right does the same exact thing, they're heroes....

Why can't you see the difference. The 'terrorists' have been sitting back and watching all the pussies on the left rant and rave. Now they are saying, CRAP!, looks like the GOP is back in charge and we are finished. That is EXACTLY the message that is being sent overseas.

The left LOSES again! When will they EVER LEARN? Hopefully never, as long as they are in the minority.

 

[Calabrio]

Lol.... How many conser/repubs cry in here and accuse the left of using dirty tactics that only hurt the country? (ie the 'X' over Cheney). Now the right blatantly does it.... Hypocritical to the core this is.

You're analysis is completely wrong. This is neither hurtful to the contrary, actually it's the exact opposite. Nor does it have anything in common with a supposedly nonpartisan news organization, for whatever reason, flashing a big X over the face of the conservative vice-President.

You a desperately comparing apples and oranges.

Also Calabrio, I'm surprised you posted this, I refer you to a statement you made in the 'John Kerry, The Traitor' thread.

Don't you think foreign media will get a hold of this and use it to encourge the enemy? I ask you, why is the right emboldening terrorists and hurting our troops?

I hope they do.

But this has absolutely NOTHING in common with the kinds of statements I was talking about. Do you not understand the difference between a Democrat party leader saying, on the record, that American CAN NOT win the war in Iraq.... and the majority party saying "that guy is a defeatist a-hole who we make fun of?"

 

[TheDude]

Why can't you see the difference. The 'terrorists' have been sitting back and watching all the pussies on the left rant and rave. Now they are saying, CRAP!, looks like the GOP is back in charge and we are finished. That is EXACTLY the message that is being sent overseas.

The left LOSES again! When will they EVER LEARN? Hopefully never, as long as they are in the minority.

Probably because I am an intellectually deficient, lib-wack, pansy-pacifist (I know, that’s redundant), spineless liberal (more redundancy), terrorist supporter, America hating traitor who wants to take away everyone's freedom and see America burn. Oh ya, I'm probably French too.


What is truly sad, if Iraq does become safe for Iraqis to live there and a stable free country is achieved, the Left will say, "Ok, we were wrong for the most part, but the outcome was worth the loss." If we have to finally pull out because there is no viable end to this war and staying would only mean more lives senselessly lost, the right will place all blame on the left for the colossal failure, even though the right is in power and is the majority.

 

[Calabrio]

What is truly sad, if Iraq does become safe for Iraqis to live there and a stable free country is achieved, the Left will say, "Ok, we were wrong for the most part, but the outcome was worth the loss." If we have to finally pull out because there is no viable end to this war and staying would only mean more lives senselessly lost, the right will place all blame on the left for the colossal failure, even though the right is in power and is the majority.

That is some very most convaluted and contorted thinking.

WHEN the operation is concluded, because of the eagerly defeatist statements being made, will be shown to be the weak spined party lacking any bold or visionary ideas that they are.

And you are right, if we were to be forced to withdraw, like in Vietnam, it would be completely right to blame the foolish liberal left wing for the damge it causes.

 

[Calabrio]

 

[fossten]

Probably because I am an intellectually deficient, lib-wack, pansy-pacifist (I know, that’s redundant), spineless liberal (more redundancy), terrorist supporter, America hating traitor who wants to take away everyone's freedom and see America burn. Oh ya, I'm probably French too.


What is truly sad, if Iraq does become safe for Iraqis to live there and a stable free country is achieved, the Left will say, "Ok, we were wrong for the most part, but the outcome was worth the loss." If we have to finally pull out because there is no viable end to this war and staying would only mean more lives senselessly lost, the right will place all blame on the left for the colossal failure, even though the right is in power and is the majority.

Paragraph 1. You said it, not me.

Paragraph 2. Actually, the Dems are positioning themselves (notably Hillary) so they can take the credit and say, "See, the President listened to us, and everything turned out great." The reality is that your libdem leaders are invested in our country's defeat, and no amount of backtracking will change that.

You're just mad because the Republicans are using the libdems' tactics against them and calling them out for what they truly are: cowards. You're also mad because you know it will be effective.

I'll tell you right now, if I was a soldier in Iraq and I saw an ad like that, I'd be shouting from the housetops! Finally Congress takes action against the traitors!

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

You know what is really STUPID about how the GOP and the RWWs are jumping on the "dems want to surrender to the terrorists" bandwagon? How do you "surrender" when the war was already won?? Or was the "Mission Accomplished" ballyhoo just a stinking pile of BS?? Was the Rummy speech about how this is no longer a "war in Iraq, it's a prolonged struggle to wrench freedom from the insurgents" also a stinking pile of BS?? Make up your minds, you can't have it both ways, fools.

The ONLY people suggesting that we are "surrendering" by pulling out of Iraq is the GOP and the RWWs in this country. No one on the left is suggesting we "surrender", only that we hand the reigns of Iraq over to the Iraqis. To state otherwise is defeatist and undermines all the work we've done so far to liberate the Iraqis. The GOP and RWWs in the country just LOVE to point fingers and call everyone else "terrorist sympathizers" while they are the most guilty of being one themselves.

Isn't also ironic of how BuSh's speech a month or so ago that "we will never pull out of Iraq on my watch" was followed (within a day or so) by a statement by the Iraqi government that "Uh........ I think it's time for you guys to find your coats and go home soon, the party here is over."??? How embarrasing that must be for 'ol GW, he could't get the taste of his shoe leather out of his mouth for at least a week. Furthermore, talk about troop drawdown by the GOP ensued shortly thereafter........ AS IF IT WAS THEIR OWN IDEA!! ROTFLMAO!! What a bunch of bimbos.

 

[MonsterMark]

Furthermore, talk about troop drawdown by the GOP ensued shortly thereafter........ AS IF IT WAS THEIR OWN IDEA!! ROTFLMAO!! What a bunch of bimbos.

Talk about troop drawdown has been discussed since the '04 election. Remember all the talk back and forth about the 'trained' Iraqi troop levels. 50,000....then 100,000...then who knows how many. Now the left is crying that everyone is trained so let's pull out. Bunch of hogwash. I just heard from a guy yesterday who was over there training Iraqi forces and he says it takes a heck of a lot longer to train an Iraqi than a US soldier. They are less educated and there is always the language barrier. In addition, Iraq has no 'seasoned' upper ranking officers to set an example, unless you call laying in a fox-hole getting thumped day-in and day-out tactical training. LOL.

As Bush has always said, we'll pull back when we are damn good and ready.

 

[fossten]

You know what is really STUPID about how the GOP and the RWWs are jumping on the "dems want to surrender to the terrorists" bandwagon? How do you "surrender" when the war was already won?? Or was the "Mission Accomplished" ballyhoo just a stinking pile of BS?? Was the Rummy speech about how this is no longer a "war in Iraq, it's a prolonged struggle to wrench freedom from the insurgents" also a stinking pile of BS?? Make up your minds, you can't have it both ways, fools.

The ONLY people suggesting that we are "surrendering" by pulling out of Iraq is the GOP and the RWWs in this country. No one on the left is suggesting we "surrender", only that we hand the reigns of Iraq over to the Iraqis. To state otherwise is defeatist and undermines all the work we've done so far to liberate the Iraqis. The GOP and RWWs in the country just LOVE to point fingers and call everyone else "terrorist sympathizers" while they are the most guilty of being one themselves.

Isn't also ironic of how BuSh's speech a month or so ago that "we will never pull out of Iraq on my watch" was followed (within a day or so) by a statement by the Iraqi government that "Uh........ I think it's time for you guys to find your coats and go home soon, the party here is over."??? How embarrasing that must be for 'ol GW, he could't get the taste of his shoe leather out of his mouth for at least a week. Furthermore, talk about troop drawdown by the GOP ensued shortly thereafter........ AS IF IT WAS THEIR OWN IDEA!! ROTFLMAO!! What a bunch of bimbos.

Gee, Johnny, your rhetoric is getting nastier and more hateful. You're calling all of us 'fools' now? Man, you need to take anger management or something. I know you would get an 'F' in Debating Skills 101.

You just contradicted yourself countless times in your last post.

It was YOUR leader/traitor Howard Dean that said "This is a war we cannot win." just this last week. Now he's backtracking. Then tried to compare Iraq to Vietnam, which is just laughable.

It was YOUR leader/traitor Murtha who said we need to turn tail and run from Iraq, that our soldiers were tired and broken down and we were going to lose the war. Talk about terrorist sympathizer and chickensh!t coward.

It was YOUR leader/traitor Kerry who said that our soldiers were terrorizing Iraqi civilians in the dead of night, and that Iraqis should be doing that. Talk about a troop-hater.

The Republicans called such statements reprehensible, but I guess you think your boys are right.

BTW, you misquoted Rumsfeld.

You need to pay attention to what YOUR leaders are spewing.

 

[fossten]

Talk about troop drawdown has been discussed since the '04 election. Remember all the talk back and forth about the 'trained' Iraqi troop levels. 50,000....then 100,000...then who knows how many. Now the left is crying that everyone is trained so let's pull out. Bunch of hogwash. I just heard from a guy yesterday who was over there training Iraqi forces and he says it takes a heck of a lot longer to train an Iraqi than a US soldier. They are less educated and there is always the language barrier. In addition, Iraq has no 'seasoned' upper ranking officers to set an example, unless you call laying in a fox-hole getting thumped day-in and day-out tactical training. LOL.

As Bush has always said, we'll pull back when we are damn good and ready.

Thanks for setting the record straight, although certain people who are totally blinded by hate and tunnelvision will never accept facts when they can fire away with ad hominem. "Pearls before swine" applies here.

 

[MonsterMark]

RETREAT AND DEFEAT VID now up for viewing.

 

[TheDude]

That is some very most convaluted and contorted thinking.

WHEN the operation is concluded, because of the eagerly defeatist statements being made, will be shown to be the weak spined party lacking any bold or visionary ideas that they are.

And you are right, if we were to be forced to withdraw, like in Vietnam, it would be completely right to blame the foolish liberal left wing for the damge it causes.

Typical Republican/Conservative tactic, never accept responsibility for a failed action.

 

[TheDude]

Paragraph 1. You said it, not me.

Paragraph 2. Actually, the Dems are positioning themselves (notably Hillary) so they can take the credit and say, "See, the President listened to us, and everything turned out great." The reality is that your libdem leaders are invested in our country's defeat, and no amount of backtracking will change that.

You're just mad because the Republicans are using the libdems' tactics against them and calling them out for what they truly are: cowards. You're also mad because you know it will be effective.

I'll tell you right now, if I was a soldier in Iraq and I saw an ad like that, I'd be shouting from the housetops! Finally Congress takes action against the traitors!

1) My fault, I forgot to add the sarcasm emote.....

2) See my post to Calabrio.... You can say all you want about the left, cowards, traitors etc. But one fact stands, the Right will never accept responsibility for their own failures. If they fail, they resort to shifting the blame. It's like the kid who's face is covered with cookie crumbs and blames the little brother when his mother asks him why the cookie jar is empty.

If you were a soldier? Guess what, you're not, so you would have no idea what your mindset would be.

ps I am not mad, I know you get off on making people upset like you rant and rave when you think you've pissed off RavenEyes, but save your energy when trying to 'get my goat'. Just some advice, do what you will with it.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

It was YOUR leader/traitor Howard Dean that said "This is a war we cannot win." just this last week. Now he's backtracking. Then tried to compare Iraq to Vietnam, which is just laughable.

Dean doesn't speak for me, nor is he "my" leader. IMO he's a loudmouth who if he doesn't watch what he says will do more damage than good.

It was YOUR leader/traitor Murtha who said we need to turn tail and run from Iraq, that our soldiers were tired and broken down and we were going to lose the war. Talk about terrorist sympathizer and chickensh!t coward.

Don't put words in Murtha's mouth, don't you EVER learn? And I'd love to see your chickensh!t a-s-s call him those names to his face.

It was YOUR leader/traitor Kerry who said that our soldiers were terrorizing Iraqi civilians in the dead of night, and that Iraqis should be doing that. Talk about a troop-hater.

Gee, then those videos we've all seen on the news of our troops storming Iraqi homes at night and routing Iraqis out of bed were all staged by the DNC? You are hopelessly clinging to a losing cause. Go right on ahead, I'm laughing AT you.

 

[Calabrio]

2) See my post to Calabrio.... You can say all you want about the left, cowards, traitors etc. But one fact stands, the Right will never accept responsibility for their own failures. If they fail, they resort to shifting the blame. It's like the kid who's face is covered with cookie crumbs and blames the little brother when his mother asks him why the cookie jar is empty.

And as I routinely explain, you're just wrong.
But, if you really want to debate this fact, provide an example of the Right refusing to accept a "failure, and then blaming their Democrat "little brother."

If you were a soldier? Guess what, you're not, so you would have no idea what your mindset would be.

Lame argument, we've addressed this before.

That would mean no one who isn't serving in Iraq is able to discuss the politics and policy of the decision. And it would also mean that ONLY those people who have the knowledge and understand to do so. This just isn't the reality.

Soldiers aren't necessarily familiar with the nuance, detail, and history of foreign policy and national security. That doesn't mean their input isn't important, but it does mean that it isn't the only voice the needs to be heard.

 

[TheDude]

And as I routinely explain, you're just wrong.
But, if you really want to debate this fact, provide an example of the Right refusing to accept a "failure, and then blaming their Democrat "little brother.".

Sigh. I guess the countless threads of the righties in here pointing the accusatory finger at the left don't count.... Troops are dieing because the 'traitors' are emboldening our troops....... 9/11 was Clintons fault (even though it happened on Bush's watch of the country)..... If I were to go and look at the threads from a month back, I could get you more examples. You even said yourself that if Iraq fails and we pull out it will be because of the left. (or was it Fossten or MonsterMark?)

Lame argument, we've addressed this before.

That would mean no one who isn't serving in Iraq is able to discuss the politics and policy of the decision. And it would also mean that ONLY those people who have the knowledge and understand to do so. This just isn't the reality.

Soldiers aren't necessarily familiar with the nuance, detail, and history of foreign policy and national security. That doesn't mean their input isn't important, but it does mean that it isn't the only voice the needs to be heard.

Fine, Fossten knows exactly what he would do and what his political mindset would be if he was fighting in Iraq. Happy?

But I don't feel it is a lame argument. Do not ask others to do what you would be unwilling to do yourself. Especially if you’re asking them to possibly die. Your opinion and Fosstens may differ.

 

[Calabrio]

Sigh. I guess the countless threads of the righties in here pointing the accusatory finger at the left don't count.... Troops are dieing because the 'traitors' are emboldening our troops....... 9/11 was Clintons fault (even though it happened on Bush's watch of the country)..... If I were to go and look at the threads from a month back, I could get you more examples. You even said yourself that if Iraq fails and we pull out it will be because of the left. (or was it Fossten or MonsterMark?)

They shouldn't count, because they aren't representative of what you're trying to claim.

But pointing out the failures of left-wing foreign policy isn't the same as "blaming them for our failure."

Fine, Fossten knows exactly what he would do and what his political mindset would be if he was fighting in Iraq. Happy?

No, I didn't say that. I said it doesn't matter. An opinion on foreign policy isn't rendered invalid simply because you're not serving. Nor is it necessarily accurate just because you have prior service.

 

[fossten]

Fine, Fossten knows exactly what he would do and what his political mindset would be if he was fighting in Iraq. Happy?

But I don't feel it is a lame argument. Do not ask others to do what you would be unwilling to do yourself. Especially if you’re asking them to possibly die. Your opinion and Fosstens may differ.

Actually, I have been a soldier in the Army and I did serve overseas, so I think I can safely say that I DO know what my mindset would be.

*owned*

Dean doesn't speak for me, nor is he "my" leader. IMO he's a loudmouth who if he doesn't watch what he says will do more damage than good.

Look who's waving the white flag now?

Don't put words in Murtha's mouth, don't you EVER learn? And I'd love to see your chickensh!t a-s-s call him those names to his face.

Boy you sure came to Murtha's defense quickly there, didn't you? "Say it to his face" - Ha ha you sound like Donnie Baker.

I didn't put words in Murtha's mouth.

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_399643.html

*owned*

Gee, then those videos we've all seen on the news of our troops storming Iraqi homes at night and routing Iraqis out of bed were all staged by the DNC? You are hopelessly clinging to a losing cause. Go right on ahead, I'm laughing AT you.

See, there you go, touting the "losing cause" again, following your leaders. You guys are really going to look bad when Iraq is a stable, staunch ally in the middle east. What will you say then?

 

[RB3]

RETREAT AND DEFEAT VID now up for viewing.

A very powerful, and very accurate, message. Our enemies, and our soldiers, are indeed watching.

The power of the corrosive effect the Left's continued harangues cannot be overestimated. I spent much of the last four years overseas, and I can tell you first hand that the John Kerrys, Ted Kennedys et al are widely quoted to support anti-American sentiments in the press in Europe and Asia. Once you leave these shores, there is no Fox or Rush to bring some balance and expose the excesses. (which is in a nutshell why the Left hates Fox and Rush) The media overseas is Left, and Further Left.

To illustrate, in the run up to the 2004 elections, I was asked continuously who would win the Presidential contest, by everyone from cab drivers in New Zealand to Heads of Ministry in Malaysia. My answer was always the same...Bush would win, and the election wouldn't be particularly close. The reaction I got was always the same...they looked at me like I had two heads. Everyone believed Kerry would win in a landslide, because that's what all their media told them. (proving only that the overseas Left is as delusional as the American Left)

That is why it is important for the GOP to finally be countering this barrage of negativity about the war, and by extension, about our country and it's foreign policy. The only hope the terrorists in Iraq have is to wait it out, hoping that the American Left will succeed in doing it's part to turn the tide in their favor.

 

[MonsterMark]

And to see the left's disengenuous ranting because the military is PAYING for good news to be printed in Iraq. Oh horror of horrors, that is the lefts job and they want to make sure nothing positive EVER gets printed because that would make George Bush look like he is doing the job he was elected to do.

My dislike for the left grows more and more. For them to sit there and wish us failure so that in some sick way it will enable them to regain power is mind-boggling.

Senator Edwards, it turns out, was right. There truly are 2 Americas.

 

[FreeFaller]

Speaking of that Brian...here's a story you'll never hear in the MSM. Just one more underreported victory.


New Iraqi Air Force Marks Major Milestone
An all-Iraqi aircrew flies their first solo mission
aboard a C-130E from Ali Air Base to New Al Muthana.
By Multinational Force-Iraq

BAGHDAD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, Iraq, Dec. 2, 2005 — An all-Iraqi aircrew flew their first solo mission aboard a C-130E from Ali Air Base to New Al Muthana Nov. 28.
"The flight marked a major milestone achievement by showing Iraq's capability of providing its own military transport."
U.S. Air Force Capt. Jerry Ruiz

The nine aircrew members are part the 23rd Iraqi Squadron, which have been receiving training at Ali Air Base. They performed an engine running on-load prior to returning to Ali Air Base.


"The flight marked a major milestone achievement by showing Iraq's capability of providing its own military transport," said U.S. Air Force Capt. Jerry Ruiz, Forward Operations executive officer at New Al Muthana.

New Al Muthana is the only Iraqi Air Base in the country and will be home to three C-130E aircraft. The 23rd Iraqi Squadron will move to their new home here in January.