Got a Ticket, need help?

[mark0101]

I just got a ticket for apparently going 80 MPH in a 65 MPH road. I had my car set on 72 MPH and there was a jeep that was going about 69-70 MPH. (we were both in the middle lane)I looked in my rearveiw mirror to turn on the right but there was a car coming at 80-85 MPH, so I turned on the left lane to pass the jeep. There was a "hump" on the highway where the cop was standing on the other side. me and the other car(that was going 80-85 MPH) reached the top at about the same time, him first actually. He saw the cop and braked to get down to 70-60 MPH range and I kept my cruise control on 72 MPH. The cop turned on the lights and I thought he was gonna go after the other car cuz he was going fast but he came after me and said that I was going 80 MPH. I told him about the other car and told him I had my cruose control set on 72 MPH.

I know you might say pay it and go on but Its not even my fault. I just got a ticket in jan for going 50 in a 35 and admit thatthat was my fault but not this time. So what do I say when I go to court, cuz I am. Sure he has that I was going 80 MPH but how can he prove that it was me and not the other car that he clocked? sorry for the long post.

 

[kustomizingkid]

The main problem i see with taking it to court is that when you say to the judge I had my cruise set at 72mph my geuss is that his first response will be, weren't you in a 65?

Regardless of how fast you were going you were speeding, you may have been going 72 but that is still 7mph over the legal limit.

I learned my lesson affter getting two tickets after only driving 5 months. Just don't speed and it won't ever be an issue.

 

[Nitrobasher]

I agree with kustomizingkid, and I know the feeling you got, it sucks.

I was deliverin a pizza about 4 months ago, in my bros acura. Some deuche kid with his gf starts revvin at me and wanting to race. I ignored him, felt like a better person, next 45 sec. im gettin pulled over for "suspicious driving"

haha, atleast i got out of it.

Anyway, prolly best to just get a decent lawyer and say screw it, theres really nothing you can do.

ive been lucky as hell when it comes to cops, Ive been pulled over 6 seperate times (complete truth) and have gotten a ticket on one of the occasions. Ticket was for no insurance card. And when I say lucky, i mean LUCKKKYY!! a cop showed up when i decided to do a smokeshow, and thne bust out some donughts behind a home depot at 11:00 at night... the guy must have been a fan of cars, to have let me go.

srry like to ramble

p.s. i know youre going to look at this post and say, whatever hes a 17 year old... I would prolly do the same lol

 

[gangstaMK8]

always fight tickets...the hell with the cops,they make mistakes to. I would get a lawyer and pay 500 bucks to get it dismissed...it will be cheaper that way rather than have ur insurance go up. I cant stand half of the cops out nowadays. All they do is look for speeders and car infractions what happened to protect and serve...i never see them protecting anything accept for speed limits. Then u see them zip by at 80+ its ok for them im sorry if i am offending anyone on this site but they piss me off. anyway man fight that ticket...get a lawyer u will win that is how the courts work ...u have to pay to win ...i know

I just got a ticket for apparently going 80 MPH in a 65 MPH road. I had my car set on 72 MPH and there was a jeep that was going about 69-70 MPH. (we were both in the middle lane)I looked in my rearveiw mirror to turn on the right but there was a car coming at 80-85 MPH, so I turned on the left lane to pass the jeep. There was a "hump" on the highway where the cop was standing on the other side. me and the other car(that was going 80-85 MPH) reached the top at about the same time, him first actually. He saw the cop and braked to get down to 70-60 MPH range and I kept my cruise control on 72 MPH. The cop turned on the lights and I thought he was gonna go after the other car cuz he was going fast but he came after me and said that I was going 80 MPH. I told him about the other car and told him I had my cruose control set on 72 MPH.

I know you might say pay it and go on but Its not even my fault. I just got a ticket in jan for going 50 in a 35 and admit thatthat was my fault but not this time. So what do I say when I go to court, cuz I am. Sure he has that I was going 80 MPH but how can he prove that it was me and not the other car that he clocked? sorry for the long post.

 

[Dern Humpus]

I agree, especially if you are in the right, you need to get a lawyer.

 

[KC96LSC]

The system owns you, weather you like it or not. I don't know how your state works but in Kansas City, you can pay double the fine and they make it a non moving violation. You have to show up for the court date and simply say, I would like to make this a non moving violation and the judge says $400.00 see the clerk. You can get a lawyer and pay him and the court. I just cut out the middle man. just my 2 cents

 

[ketyokeinnor]

round here, most local cops are part time and don't really show up for court, and tickets get dropped. this douche i knew in highschool got pulled over for passing my friend and i in a no passing zone, and doing 50 in a 25 as he did. He went to court. cop didn't show, dismissed. Of course i get pulled over by one of the 2 fulltimers in my town...41 in a 25... paid 'em. no points cause the guy knew some distant relative or at least claimed to.

 

[gangstaMK8]

The system owns you, weather you like it or not. I don't know how your state works but in Kansas City, you can pay double the fine and they make it a non moving violation. You have to show up for the court date and simply say, I would like to make this a non moving violation and the judge says $400.00 see the clerk. You can get a lawyer and pay him and the court. I just cut out the middle man. just my 2 cents

i wish we could do this in ma

 

[MachVIII]

i wish we could do this in ma

I hear that. Mass isnt so nice when it comes to tickets. Im almost at 12 tickets now, 12= Habitual Traffic offender which equals 4 year suspended license

 

[Robinson2487]

It sucks that this happened and I would assume your still going to get a ticket. I would say to go make a complaint... believe it or not, they make life very hard on cops (stop them from moving up in the department, they can be put on probabtion, if they're already on probation they are put on suspension, etc.). I would also go to court to just have it on the record that this cop not only show hes lying, but to show he clocks the wrong person and then will blame it on someone else... entirely up to you though.

 

[2002OhioLSE]

I just got a ticket for apparently going 80 MPH in a 65 MPH road. I had my car set on 72 MPH and there was a jeep that was going about 69-70 MPH. (we were both in the middle lane)I looked in my rearveiw mirror to turn on the right but there was a car coming at 80-85 MPH, so I turned on the left lane to pass the jeep. There was a "hump" on the highway where the cop was standing on the other side. me and the other car(that was going 80-85 MPH) reached the top at about the same time, him first actually. He saw the cop and braked to get down to 70-60 MPH range and I kept my cruise control on 72 MPH. The cop turned on the lights and I thought he was gonna go after the other car cuz he was going fast but he came after me and said that I was going 80 MPH. I told him about the other car and told him I had my cruose control set on 72 MPH.

I know you might say pay it and go on but Its not even my fault. I just got a ticket in jan for going 50 in a 35 and admit thatthat was my fault but not this time. So what do I say when I go to court, cuz I am. Sure he has that I was going 80 MPH but how can he prove that it was me and not the other car that he clocked? sorry for the long post.

I hardly ever come to this forum because I am usually in the LS forum but I can offer some advice from a cops point of view if it will help. It all depends on how the cop clocked your speed, was it with radar or laser? Radar is less "accurate" in the sense it picks up the fastest moving object in its path and then it is the cops job to determine which car was travelling at that speed. Radar is good for one-on-one situations, like if a car is coming at you on a two lane highway and its just you and the cop, not crowded highways. If you were in the fast lane he probibly assumed that you were the speeder. If he got you with laser its really hard to fight. Basically he pointed the laser at your car and got a reading, no mistakes there.

I test my equipment every day before a shift and at the end of a shift and when I go to court, which I do everytime, all I have to testify to is that I checked the calibrations on my radar and laser........thats all. If a defense attorny trys to ask technical questions about the equipment, the sad part is I don't have to know any of that by law, I just have to know how to turn it on, test it, and use it.

If you are going to fight it in court, have a good arguement. Look at the ticket he gave you, check for mistakes on the ticket. Did he scratch anything out on the ticket, is the color, make and model right?? Just check everything. I made a mistake once by putting that the speeder was doing 78 MPH in a 50 MPH zone when it was really a 55 MPH zone and it got dismissed, so mistakes do happen. Withput any error on the cops part its hard to win, its usually there word against yours and the judge usually sides with the cop, its sucks sometimes, but that how it is.

Hope this helps a little.

 

[eastcoastLS]

since you're in the right i'm going to have to say, fight this one. get a lawyer. also it's true, the system owns you, there is nothing that you have that the system doesn't plan on taking from you. anythings possible when you pay.

 

[Iszi]

First off, let me make it clear that I am not/never have been a lawyer or law enforcement officer, and I'll have to dig up some references to link you to where you can verify my info, but here's my general take from what I've found on the topic in the past:

Most likely if the officer was using radar (not laser), he probably thought he had the gun pointing at you, but actually ended up reading the other car. Most materials that cover the exterior of your vehicle are not very radar reflective, so radar guns are usually picking up the metal frame of the car. Radar isn't laser precise either. (For that matter, laser guns aren't even as tight as the name would imply.) It spreads out from its origin just like a flashlight beam. This allows for some "shadowing" effect that could cause a mis-read.

For example, I could be speeding to pass a semi truck at 80 MPH while the semi is going 65. An officer trying to read my speed would only see me going 65 because of the HUGE hunk of metal behind me dominating the radar image. Conversely, if the semi (or any other vehicle with a larger/brighter radar reflection) was passing me at 80 and I was doing 65, an officer scanning would see me as doing 80 MPH. This is probably what happened to you.

Is it something that would hold up in court? Absolutely, I believe so. It's a simple matter of physics, and the court can't argue that. Is it something that you *should* bring to court? That's up to you. You've already confessed (I'm guessing you did tell the officer.) to going 7 MPH over the speed limit, which is enough to warrant a small ticket, points, and fine in most areas. If you surrender to the 15 MPH over charge, the only difference is how many points go on your license, and how big a fine you'll have to pay. Hardly worth hiring a lawyer over or going through the time/hassle of a court procedure in my opinion.

If you were to go to court, here are the scenarios that I could see happening:

1.) Judge laughs and you keep the "15 MPH over" ticket.
2.) You have already admitted to "7 MPH over" and have proven that it wasn't you that was doing 80+, so you are charged with a "7 MPH over" offense.
3.) You have not admitted to speeding at all, (although from your post it seems you have) and can prove that not only were you not the one going 80+ MPH, but the officer also was not following procedure in reading your speed, (I'll try to post links and more about this later.) and you could walk away clean with the court's apologies.

I see #1 or 2 most likely, and this is why I don't recommend taking the issue to court. If you haven't actually admitted to the officer or anyone in the judicial system that you were speeding at the time, you may possibly have a shot at #3 and then it might be worth your time fighting. Personally though, I still wouldn't unless I was at risk of having my license suspended or something like that.

I'm also one of those who had only been driving for a few months before I saw my second speeding ticket. First was for 80 in a 65 zone (officer clocked me at 85, but was in a relatively good mood) and the second was for 77 in a 45. Both are definitely my fault. :-( I ran insurance quotes online after both tickets. After the first one, my insurance didn't go up at all. After the second, it only went up $10 a month. So, neither was really worth the cost in court and attorney fees in fighting even though the second ticket was over $300! Now if I get another ticket large enough in the near future, the points will be plenty enough to have my license suspended. In that case, it would be worth fighting. Check with you insurance company, and find out if your insurance will go up enough for it to be worth paying the cost to fight a battle which you might still lose.

 

[mosthated]

Me personally, i'd plead not guilty to the ticket and see in your local state what type of problems they have with the radar guns. If you read and google closely you will notice that calibration problems exist with radar guns and alcohol tests and pleading not guilty and fighting it helps your chances a lot. I just beat a ticket about 2 months ago with the same problem because a police was in front of me and i was behind him with cruise control and he slowed down and pulled me over and i thought it was complete bull...... I just plead not guilty and the cop never showed up and they threw it out. I mean if you plead not guilty and you get found guilty, its the same as pleading guilty in the first place so why not chance it with nothing to lose. Just my opinion though and i've beat a lot of tickets.......

Sorry, didn't know about the bad word thing...

 

[2002OhioLSE]

I agree with Iszi on a lot of what was said except for the laser getting wider the further it goes out, that is true for radar but at nearly 3/4 of a mile a laser only is about 2 ft. by 2 ft. and most cops wont clock you at anything over that even if the conditions are perfect. I write on every ticket what lane you were in, what your speed was and how many feet away you were when I clocked you with the laser. The distance is usually around 1500-2200 feet) Also I usually try to clock the car more than once just to make sure of the speed. I agree to that radar is not that effective, thats why I run laser most all of the time. There are so many things that are involved in using a laser or radar that I won't go into them unless someone wants something explained in detail. There are so many things that can effect performance of either but bottom line is it will be hard to fight. Tickets are dismissed every day in court but the vast majority of them are not.

 

[mosthated]

I agree with Iszi on a lot of what was said except for the laser getting wider the further it goes out, that is true for radar but at nearly 3/4 of a mile a laser only is about 2 ft. by 2 ft. and most cops wont clock you at anything over that even if the conditions are perfect. I write on every ticket what lane you were in, what your speed was and how many feet away you were when I clocked you with the laser. The distance is usually around 1500-2200 feet) Also I usually try to clock the car more than once just to make sure of the speed. I agree to that radar is not that effective, thats why I run laser most all of the time. There are so many things that are involved in using a laser or radar that I won't go into them unless someone wants something explained in detail. There are so many things that can effect performance of either but bottom line is it will be hard to fight. Tickets are dismissed every day in court but the vast majority of them are not.

I'd like the details honestly, because i did some things to my front end to lets just say, hmm, trick the laser maybe and tried some off the market ideas. I don't really really speed, but for some reason the markVII LSC's get pulled over often and my car is pretty flashy, so i try to stay out of the ticket lane as much as i can. I rarely drive in the fast lane either, but i'm not sure how exactly the officers go about clocking cars in that aspect. I even have some pretty good manuals on some laser technology that in my opinion doesn't make any sense and why would officers even attempt to clock cars anyways if it isn't 100% reliable. That is why the field sobriety test and what not is getting removed from states and cases are being beat daily, because of the accuracy. Me personally, just like they are sueing the city here for these stupid traffic lights, i'd fight ever traffic case i got. Cops attempt to fill up their quotas with dumb cases and speed traps. I also have a recorder in my car so i record everything the cop says. My last case the cop came to my window and said he clocked me at 80mph when i was behind him and i even asked him what type of radar he used and when it was calibrated. Told me i'd get that information if i choose to contest my case. I asked him nicely to put on my ticket what gun he used and how exactly he clocked me and what he was doing while he clocked me. but then wrote me a ticket for 72mph. Its the law, i don't care if i was doing 100 mph, obviously the police officer was confused or something went wrong and my case was thrown out. If you clock me, clock me correctly and don't attempt to just average out my mph that i was going. So many people get tickets for 74mph in a 60 or 65, i guess police officers think if they just put 74 or so that its ok, even if you were doing 68 or something. Thats just my whole deal, i deal with computers and gadgets so people like me are always trying to find work arounds for any type of gadgetry. I'm not sure how much cops know, but the public is way ahead of the laser tag game =)

 

[mosthated]

I'm also one of those who had only been driving for a few months before I saw my second speeding ticket. First was for 80 in a 65 zone (officer clocked me at 85, but was in a relatively good mood) and the second was for 77 in a 45. Both are definitely my fault. :-( I ran insurance quotes online after both tickets. After the first one, my insurance didn't go up at all. After the second, it only went up $10 a month. So, neither was really worth the cost in court and attorney fees in fighting even though the second ticket was over $300! Now if I get another ticket large enough in the near future, the points will be plenty enough to have my license suspended. In that case, it would be worth fighting. Check with you insurance company, and find out if your insurance will go up enough for it to be worth paying the cost to fight a battle which you might still lose.

This is why you contest anything you wish to contest and don't wait till the last minute or ticket. Those little tickets add up, especially in texas and reinstatement fees are outrageous and you have to pay them every year for like 2 or 3yrs just to get your license back. That is way more of a hassle then insurance prices. Texas does not play.

 

[2002OhioLSE]

I'd like the details honestly, because i did some things to my front end to lets just say, hmm, trick the laser maybe and tried some off the market ideas. I don't really really speed, but for some reason the markVII LSC's get pulled over often and my car is pretty flashy, so i try to stay out of the ticket lane as much as i can. I rarely drive in the fast lane either, but i'm not sure how exactly the officers go about clocking cars in that aspect. I even have some pretty good manuals on some laser technology that in my opinion doesn't make any sense and why would officers even attempt to clock cars anyways if it isn't 100% reliable. That is why the field sobriety test and what not is getting removed from states and cases are being beat daily, because of the accuracy. Me personally, just like they are sueing the city here for these stupid traffic lights, i'd fight ever traffic case i got. Cops attempt to fill up their quotas with dumb cases and speed traps. I also have a recorder in my car so i record everything the cop says. My last case the cop came to my window and said he clocked me at 80mph when i was behind him and i even asked him what type of radar he used and when it was calibrated. Told me i'd get that information if i choose to contest my case. I asked him nicely to put on my ticket what gun he used and how exactly he clocked me and what he was doing while he clocked me. but then wrote me a ticket for 72mph. Its the law, i don't care if i was doing 100 mph, obviously the police officer was confused or something went wrong and my case was thrown out. If you clock me, clock me correctly and don't attempt to just average out my mph that i was going. So many people get tickets for 74mph in a 60 or 65, i guess police officers think if they just put 74 or so that its ok, even if you were doing 68 or something. Thats just my whole deal, i deal with computers and gadgets so people like me are always trying to find work arounds for any type of gadgetry. I'm not sure how much cops know, but the public is way ahead of the laser tag game =)

I will explain anyhting you want and won't lead you in the wrong direction as long as I have an explination for it. Radar uses the dopplar theory, basically like what weather guys use to track a storm, just on a smaller basis. Radar waves are emitted "out into space" basically towards your car or wherever the radar is pointed. If there is a moving object or objects the radar bounces off the object and returns to the unit and the unit calculates the rate at which the radar beams were returned to the unit. It then recalculates that ratio and turns it into a speed. I does all this in a matter of a split second. The problem with this is that sometimes the radar get confused and will pick up non moving objects when the cop car is moving. For example, if I am driving down a road at 4 am with the radar on sometimes I will get a reading, say off a street sign that "tricked" the radar. Usually that reading will be my speed that I am travelling.

Laser functions on the "flight of light" theory. You ahve to be stationary to use a laser gun, unlike radar where it can be used moving or staionary. When you pull the trigger on a laser gun, three beams of light are sent out at the object that you pointed at. The first beam bounces off the object, then the second and then the third. All three beams are then sent back to the laser and it calculated the time the beams were gone from the laser gun and calculates the speed based on the average time of each pulse of light took to return to the laser gun. Laser is extremely accurate, down to 1/10,000 of a mile per hour and 1/25,000 of a mile.

I have been to many training seminars on laser and radar and all of this is put in to laymans terms because thats the only way I know how to explain it without writing about 25 pages of garbage that nobody will understand. This is all a cop has to know in court and maybe not even that depending on the judge. Anything else just ask, I'm happy to answer.

BTW laser jammers do work very well, we have tested them many times and many brands, just check to see about the legality of them in your state, its not worth a felony arrrest just to save a ticket.

 

[mosthated]

Yeah, well, jammers are illegal but highly highly effective and hidden, so i mean, it goes whatever way you wish to go. I doubt an officer will tear my car apart t find a mechanism that is jamming the radar. The question i had though, just your opinion, because i think we've perfected it. Deflection has been tested and works also, but i'm not sure how dependable it is. From my understanding and reading when you hit an object with the lasar you have to aim at the front of the car or license plate. For some odd reason texas seems to think your front license plate is needed for accurate speed calculations since that is what is supposed to be aimed at when clocking a car. Also, we have bra/lense covers with sort of the same funcionality that DLP uses in TVs. Think of a crystalized object with many many many angles and corners to catch and redirect the actual lasar so that it never reaches its original point. Same concept i think older bra covers used to splash the radar readings to bounce of your car instead of directed back to the lasar. Also, quick question, what does those stationary speeding machines use? Its like a box with your MPH on it, because we trick those constantly and they are proof of whatever they use to be completely unreliable. Thanks for all the infos. You could say what we do on our spare time works both against and with law enforcement technology. We break it, the technology gets better so i mean overall it works in favor, but at the same time i guess we tend to beat the system until the system is flawless. hacker/cracker whatever type stuff people wish to label now a days.

 

[shogun]

Yeah, well, jammers are illegal but highly highly effective and hidden, so i mean, it goes whatever way you wish to go. I doubt an officer will tear my car apart t find a mechanism that is jamming the radar. QUOTE]

The poster above you was talking about laser jammers. They are very effective and LEGAL in most states. Radar jammers on the other hand are divided into 2 categories. Passive and active. Passive radar jammers are legal but are worthless as they simply do not work. Active radar jammers, on the other hand, work, but are illegal in all 50 states.

2002OhioLSE, I always wanted to know what shows up on the laser gun readout when someone has a laser jammer. Does it just not display anything? Does an officer know that you have a jammer based on the readout?

 

[2002OhioLSE]

Yeah, well, jammers are illegal but highly highly effective and hidden, so i mean, it goes whatever way you wish to go. I doubt an officer will tear my car apart t find a mechanism that is jamming the radar. QUOTE]

The poster above you was talking about laser jammers. They are very effective and LEGAL in most states. Radar jammers on the other hand are divided into 2 categories. Passive and active. Passive radar jammers are legal but are worthless as they simply do not work. Active radar jammers, on the other hand, work, but are illegal in all 50 states.

2002OhioLSE, I always wanted to know what shows up on the laser gun readout when someone has a laser jammer. Does it just not display anything? Does an officer know that you have a jammer based on the readout?

To answer mosthated's question, the speed boxes used on the side of the street, like in a residental neighborhood are just radar guns with a big readout so you can see how fast you are going, same machine used in a cop car. You are right, they are easily tricked or confused all the time, that's why I prefer to use laser.

As far as what comes up on the laser, it depends on the model I would guess. Where I work we have 2 models. One is newer and cordless and it reads "ERR" on the readout. The other reads "---" on the readout. I am sure there are many more models that have different results for when they are jammed. Most people don't think the jammers work, but it is the exact oppsite, they work great. Like I said though, there are a few states that now allow an officer to charge you with hindering a police investigation which depending on how big of a dick he wants to be can be classified as a felony. Also you have to be careful when you have a jammer. Lets say you fly by a cop, he can still use the laser and clock you from behind if you do not have a rear facing jammer, which most people do not. If you do decide to get a jammer, and that for everyone, remember you might jam my laser but rest assured there will be another car along shortly after you that will be speeding so it's really not a big deal. I say if you don't want tickets get the jammer, as long as it's not illegal in your state

 

[mosthated]

To answer mosthated's question, the speed boxes used on the side of the street, like in a residental neighborhood are just radar guns with a big readout so you can see how fast you are going, same machine used in a cop car. You are right, they are easily tricked or confused all the time, that's why I prefer to use laser.

As far as what comes up on the laser, it depends on the model I would guess. Where I work we have 2 models. One is newer and cordless and it reads "ERR" on the readout. The other reads "---" on the readout. I am sure there are many more models that have different results for when they are jammed. Most people don't think the jammers work, but it is the exact oppsite, they work great. Like I said though, there are a few states that now allow an officer to charge you with hindering a police investigation which depending on how big of a dick he wants to be can be classified as a felony. Also you have to be careful when you have a jammer. Lets say you fly by a cop, he can still use the laser and clock you from behind if you do not have a rear facing jammer, which most people do not. If you do decide to get a jammer, and that for everyone, remember you might jam my laser but rest assured there will be another car along shortly after you that will be speeding so it's really not a big deal. I say if you don't want tickets get the jammer, as long as it's not illegal in your state

Thanks a lot, turned out to be a pretty informative post. Yeah, at least you admit jammers work. Its publicly on the internet, so i don't know why people try to say they don't. Definately check your state though, because at this moment i'm fixing to check mine

 

[mosthated]

Below from: http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html

Radar Detectors

Radar detectors are illegal in cars in Virginia and the District Of Columbia. Radar jammers, and possibly other devices like IR-absorbing license plate covers, are explicitly illegal in California (VC §28150), Colorado (HB1045 effective July 1, 2005), the District of Columbia, Illinois (625 ILCS 5/12-613 effective January 1, 2006), Oklahoma (47-11-808), Minnesota (169.14(12)), Nebraska (60-6.275), Utah (41-6a-609), and Virginia (46.2-1079). The FCC claims even "passive" radar jammers are illegal under federal law; see their 1997 opinion and order in the Rocky Mountain Radar case. This order was affirmed by the tenth circuit court of appeals in October, 1998 (Rocky Mountain Radar v. FCC, 158 F.3d 1118; cert. denied 119 S. Ct. 1045 (1999)).

To convict a driver of exceeding a speed limit, a visual estimate of speed must be supported by radar or some other speed measuring device in Nebraska (60-6,192(1)) and Pennsylvania (75 PA C.S. 3368). Lack of corroborating evidence does not prevent police from charging reckless driving, driving too fast for conditions, or any other offense other than speeding.

A similar rule applies in parts of Ohio. The districts of the state appeals court are in disagreement on whether, as one judge wrote, "the mere educated guess of the arresting officer as to the speed of a vehicle" can constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

A Virginia law requiring police to show drivers the reading on the radar gun has been repealed.

Enjoy.

 

[Chromebrow]

I know its too late for you now but this could help someone else reading through this site.
I had a 60 in a 30 zone ticket and walked scott free. No errors in the writing of the ticket and didnt have to step foot in to a court room. I even admitted to going that fast.
I found a crap load of info on a site I'd rather not mention since "THE MAN" is watching. ( no offense 2002OhioLSE)
I got away with it because every so many years the county/city has to do a speed saftey survey on every road to see if the posted speed is reasonable. The signs that say 30mph, are just a suggestion and not actually the law.
Anyway I wrote in asking for a current copy of this speed survey for the road I was busted on and got a reply that even though the survey was completed in the required amount of time the survey was found to have been done wrong so the ticket was being thrown out. If the city can't give you a safe speed to drive then how can they ticket you for going too fast. I stated it was sunny dry and light traffic and I was going a safe speed for the road I was one and I was done.
If you need any info let me know, Im by no means a laywer or cop or do I even know what the hell im talking about half the time but I got out of a few tickets.

 

[k9t8m]

The fact is you admitted you were going 72mph, which is still breaking the law. You dont stand a chance in court.