Inherited a 2002 LS

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So unfortunately my brother passed away this past October and I inherited his 2002 white LS v6 with 186K miles on it. The exterior is in decent shape but everything else is pretty shoddy because he had been out of work the last couple years due to a medical condition so he couldn't really get things fixed up much.

It sat most of the winter because the heat doesn't work. Although I did drive it around a little bit while my Civic was in the shop and here and there just to make sure it didn't sit constantly. But it has numerous issues. Even so I would like to fix it up because I think it's a beautiful car and fits my personality. Sporty but refined lol. Plus I could really use a "grown up" car compared to my beat up old '98 Civic with 252K miles, which I'm not confident will make it through another Michigan winter.

Some of the problems with the lincoln, starting with the bigger ones:

1. Needs a new exhaust manifold gasket? - At least I think that's what I was told by a family friend mechanic who last worked on it with my brother. It's leaking oil into the engine slowly causing it to stall out when idling. Like if I'm sitting in a drive through or sometimes as a stop light it willl stall and I need to restart it. I've heard this will cost me about $1000

2. It has no heat. None at all. I've been told to try a reverse flush first before replacing the heater core. Again I've heard about $1000 to replace the heater core if it needs it because the dash needs to be taken out to get to it.

3. The driver seat is stuck in the forward most position. Which make it hard for a guy like me (6' 1") to drive it. It's either getting no power to that seat at all or some kind of electrical problem? The passanger seat works fine, including the seat heating. But nothing works on the driver seat.

4. The automatic gas latch is broke. You can hear it clicking to unlock but doesn't spring open, so someone has to stand there with a key wedged in it while a second person hits the button. Even then you have to get it wedged in there just right. Super annoying and inconvenient when you're alone.

5. Other electrical issues like the driver side window controls being able to roll down the passnager side window but no roll it up. The back passenger side door not working with the auto locks. The moonroof won't open or close all the way with a single slide of the switch, it will only go a few inches and then you have to let up and do it again, sometimes working and sometimes not working. I'm afraid of getting it stuck open and not being able to close it.

6. The alarm is now randomly going off. it started doing this just before the battery drained all the way and did it again a couple times after I jumped it and drove it around a bit. So i don't know if this is just a signal to say the battery is low or if it's just another of many little electrical problems.

One of the headlights is out and I can't figure out how to even get to it to change it. I also need to replace the back passenger side tire and wipers. Typical car things.

Again I would love to fix this car up and drive it full time. I could defintiely use a second car, and would love to make it my main car. But I can't drop thousands into it to get it to perfect conditon. I can maybe drop a couple thousand into it.

Any suggestions or maybe advice on solutions to the problems it seems to have?

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You are going to spend way to much money on this neglected, free car...

1. You have this way wrong, or you have a crooked mechanic. No oil passes through the exhaust gasket. Exhaust gasket problems are really rare. An oil leak in itself will not cause an engine to stall. There are several places for oil to leak, and there are intake manifold air leaks that can cause the engine to stall. (There are lots of other things that can cause engine stalls too.) Plan on intake gaskets, plugs, coils, valve cover gasket, and maybe a new IAC and oil pan gasket. Be sure to use OEM coils and not aftermarket. Plan on over $1k if you aren't doing the work yourself.

2. I haven't heard of a clogged heater core on these cars yet. (There are two cores, so for no heat both would have to be clogged if that were it.) However, no heat is not an uncommon problem. The cause is usually either air trapped in the cooling system (due to leaks in the plastic parts, like the degas bottle), and/or the DCCV (heater valve) being clogged or stuck closed. Plan on all new plastic cooling system parts (may include the radiator) and a new DCCV. Again, get the OEM part. Probably another $1K if you can't do it yourself.

3. Probably something simple. You'll have to get out a meter and check the wiring out.

4. Simple issue. The spring on the latch is broken. It's been covered here before (as have the other issues). $55

5a. Probably need a new master switch. (no longer made, have to go to a junkyard)
5b. Need a new latch assembly. $178 + labor (1/2 hour or more)
5c. May just need to reinitialize it. Otherwise, the track may be failing or the motor sensors may be dirty.

6. It is not a signal about the battery. It is, however, caused by the microcontrollers crashing due to low voltage. You'll need a new battery. The battery must be the correct one with the vent tube connection (unless you don't mind being in a hydrogen explosion in the cabin). $120

7. You have to remove the headlight assembly to change any of the bulbs.

Now, look under the car. Look at all the grease boots on the suspension joints and at the various bushings. Don't forget the rear wheels. The suspension back there is almost as complicated as the front. I bet most of those are torn and the joints are deteriorating. Figure $2K to $4K there at least.

I'm a really big fan of these cars (I have two), but I am well aware of how much you have to put into them as you go along to keep them up. This one has missed out on that and it's going to be one thing after another to bring it back up the the condition that it should be in. You would most certainly have to "drop thousands into it."
 
Yeah, I'd say I'm gonna need the most inner tail lamps from it!

I kid, I kid ....
 
Thank you for your input and advice. I was kind of fearing it would be more involved than I initially thought and it sounds like it is. Problem is these cars go for on average about $3000 used by owner around here. So it then becomes a question of if it's worth it to invest that much or more into it at this point. Especially with as many miles as are already on it.

The car is drivable at this point. I just had it out yesterday. It has plenty of power and runs quiet. But it does have the issues I mentioned. I guess the worst case scenario is that I get the heat fixed and just use it as a backup car and maybe fix up various issues over time. But between this and my Civic, the LS does drive and feel nicer overall. So it would be a waste to just have it as a backup car.
 
7. You have to remove the headlight assembly to change any of the bulbs.

Shouldn't have to. It helps to have small hands but after removing the plastic shield the back of the headlights is quite accessible; at least on the V6. I had to replace the left headlight connector on my daughter's V6. Weird that the wires became loose in the connector as there isn't any stress on the plug. I really can't believe that stupid connector was ~$40!!!!!
 
Thank you for your input and advice. I was kind of fearing it would be more involved than I initially thought and it sounds like it is. Problem is these cars go for on average about $3000 used by owner around here. So it then becomes a question of if it's worth it to invest that much or more into it at this point. Especially with as many miles as are already on it.

The car is drivable at this point. I just had it out yesterday. It has plenty of power and runs quiet. But it does have the issues I mentioned. I guess the worst case scenario is that I get the heat fixed and just use it as a backup car and maybe fix up various issues over time. But between this and my Civic, the LS does drive and feel nicer overall. So it would be a waste to just have it as a backup car.

You should easily get over 250K miles...... As long as you keep up with the fluids and cooling parts. That is, as long as the parts are available!! My daughter is still driving my old 2000 V6 with just over 186K miles on the odo. It had a weird oil consumption issue about 900 miles ago that I attribute to a bad PCV elbow. We had it checked out at my indie and he said the drivetrain was in great shape and had many, many more miles of life left.
 
Shouldn't have to. It helps to have small hands but after removing the plastic shield the back of the headlights is quite accessible; at least on the V6. ...

I'm just going by what the service manual says. So far, I haven't had any lights go out on the front of either LS (except for the glass fog lights on the 06).
 
I fixed the front pass window in mine. Ordered a track/motor off ebay. $50
Also fixed my moonroof, took it apart found a broken plastic piece. $5 part at junkyard.
 
The main thing you need to fix is the gaskets also is it rough idling or does the car shudder. If it does then you got bad coils and riding it will mess up your cats. are you mechanically inclined then most of this you can fix yourself. Also is the car overheating if not it sounds more like a stuck dccv or air in your system. I would take it to another mechanic most of them dont know how to work on our ls. valve covers are what usually goes bad on this cars. Also sorry for your loss.
 
I think I would list the usually goes bad in a different order

1. COPs (ignition coils) - must replace the spark plugs at the same time. (Contrary to what some believe, coil failure is rarely because of oil exposure.)
2. Cooling system plastic parts (especially the gen II V8)
3. Timing chain tensioners (gen I V8 only)
4. Window regulators
5. DCCV
6. AC compressor
7. Transmission issues (solenoid assembly, bad fluid, servo bores, PCM, ...)

I leave VCGs off the list because that was mainly only the 2000-2003, and surely all of those must have been replaced by now. The new ones seem to be good for over 150K miles.
 
Sell it for $2,000. If you want to put "a few grand" into a high mileage (but probably still very reliable), 02 V6 LS, it won't be worth it. Run with the $2,000, along with your many other grands into a mint condition 06 LS that won't have any obvious problems (trust me, "a few grand" won't even scratch the surface with more issues down the road at that kind of mileage, which will develop more problems, more miles, and be harder to sell). I wish I had done this earlier, but now I'm about $6,000 in within the past year for a car that developed more problems throughout a single year, and worth less than $2,000.
 
In reference to the headlights, it may be the slightly different shape of the Gen 2 lights. On my 02 (V8, not that I expect that to make any difference), I can replace highs and lows without any tools. Not the blinkers though. You might have to push to twist and then slightly reposition to pull out, but it's doable. Just sayin, carry on
 

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