John Kerry, the Traitor

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This guy hasn't changed his message since he slinked home from Vietnam with his tail between his legs.


From CBS's "Face the Nation":


SCHIEFFER: All right. Let me shift to another point of view, and it comes from another Democrat, Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. He takes a very different view. He says basically we should stay the course because, he says, real progress is being made. He said this is a war between 27 million Iraqis who want freedom and 10,000 terrorists. He says we're in a watershed transformation. What about that?

Sen. KERRY: Let me--I--first of all, there is so much more that unites Democrats than divides us. And Democrats have much more in common with each other than they do with George Bush's policy right now. Now Joe Lieberman, I believe, also voted for the resolution which said the president needs to make more clear what he's doing and set out benchmarks, and that the policy hasn't been working. We all believe him when you say, `Stay the course.' That's the president's policy, which hasn't been changing, which is a policy of failure. I don't agree with that. But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is you've got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment. You've got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis. And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not...

SCHIEFFER: Yeah.

Sen. KERRY: ...Iraqis should be doing that. [Iraqis should be terrorizing people in their homes?] And after all of these two and a half years, with all of the talk of 210,000 people trained, there just is no excuse for not transferring more of that authority.

SCHIEFFER: Well, you're not saying we should stop fighting these insurgents?

Sen. KERRY: Absolutely not. In fact, in my plan, I have said very specifically that we need to keep Special Forces capacity. We need to have the ability to go after hard intelligence. We need to chase down Zarqawi. But we do not need 160,000 troops running around the country as a whole, exposing themselves as they are, feeding the notion of occupation. Let me just emphasize this.

I think we can all agree that the Iraqis should be taking over more and more responsibility for their own security. But isn't there a better way to make the point than calling American soldiers terrorists?

The psychology of his statement is baffling. What exactly is he talking about? "Terrrorizing" women and children? Why would we transfer something like that to the Iraqi security forces? Isn't the point to go after terrorists?

If this is the opinion the Senator has of the job our brave troops are doing in Iraq it is slanderous and he should be called to account for his comments.
 
Hey Fossten. Who's this John Kerry guy? The name sounds vaguely familiar but...oh well, not important.
 
Howard Dean, the Traitor

Monday, Dec. 5, 2005 11:43 p.m. EST
Michael Reagan: Dean 'Should Be Hung'


Michael Reagan, son of the late President Ronald Reagan, is blasting Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean for declaring that the U.S. won't be able to win the war in Iraq, saying Dean ought to be "hung for treason."

"Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!" Reagan told his Radio America audience on Monday.

Reagan was reacting to Dean's comments earlier in the day, when the top Democrat said that the "idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong."

In a Texas radio interview, Dean predicted a rerun of the Vietnam debacle, where U.S. forces had to withdraw after Congress voted to cut support for South Vietnam's government.

"This is the same situation we had in Vietnam," the top Democrat said. "Everybody then kept saying, 'just another year, just stay the course, we'll have a victory.' Well, we didn't have a victory, and this policy cost the lives of an additional 25,000 troops because we were too stubborn to recognize what was happening."

Dean said he favored a plan to immediately withdraw National Guard and Reserve troops - with all military personnel slated to be out of Iraq within two years.
 
John Kerry, America's biggest loser.

Again and again, old John Kerry gives aid and comfort to the enemy. And people actually voted for this moron. He shamed himself then, and he shames us all now. What a loser. Come on Theresa, can't you keep your MANBITCH in check.
 
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...they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
 
bufordtpisser said:
Again and again, old John Kerry gives aid and comfort to the enemy. And people actually voted for this moron. He shamed himself then, and he shames us all now. What a loser. Come on Theresa, can't you keep your MANBITCH in check.

Speaking of which, Theresa is no longer using the name Heinz-Kerry. She's going simply by Heinz now. Gee, Johnny boy, are you in the doghouse? Are you going to have to get new checks?
 
Lol... You people want to hang Dean for his opinion? Guess what people, this is America and you are allowed to have an opinion different than the President. Besides, he is not the only American that sees Iraq as a no win war (you'll have to hang half the country. maybe more), history has shown that guerilla type warfare is practically impossible to beat.
 
Calabrio said:
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...they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

Do you think he made it all up?
 
MonsterMark said:
Can you prove any of it?


No, I wasn't there. But I'll tell you one thing, war atrocities/crimes do happen and Kerry isn't the ONLY Vietnam vet with similar stories. If you think they don't, I want to live in your happy world.
 
fossten said:
A large number of vets who WERE THERE say did. Now let's hear you discredit them.


Don't want to discredit them, I would have to assume this happned everywhere throughout the war to do so, which I don't think it did.
 
95DevilleNS said:
No, I wasn't there. But I'll tell you one thing, war atrocities/crimes do happen and Kerry isn't the ONLY Vietnam vet with similar stories. If you think they don't, I want to live in your happy world.
The only problem with Kerry's own stories were that they were made up. Read up on the medals he AWARDED HIMSELF by writing up phony stories and embellishing on the others.

So, personally, I don't believe a word that comes out of that guys mouth, not then and certainly not now.

Guess we'll just have to swift boat him again if he decides to run in '08.
 
Atrocities

95DevilleNS said:
No, I wasn't there. But I'll tell you one thing, war atrocities/crimes do happen and Kerry isn't the ONLY Vietnam vet with similar stories. If you think they don't, I want to live in your happy world.

Do I believe that atrocities happened?? Yes I do. Do I believe that they should have happened. No I do not. As far as other Vets stories of the atocities, they did not go to VietNam during the war and give the Vietnamese ammunition that they could use against our own people. They came home and told their stories to get the facts out without being a traitor about it. Kerry was right in being against atrocities commited by our people, but what he did about it was treason. He is a traitor. He caused harm to our POW's. He does not deserve anything from this country except a one way ticket to Vietnam. And I will personally pay for it.
 
bufordtpisser said:
Do I believe that atrocities happened?? Yes I do. Do I believe that they should have happened. No I do not. As far as other Vets stories of the atocities, they did not go to VietNam during the war and give the Vietnamese ammunition that they could use against our own people. They came home and told their stories to get the facts out without being a traitor about it. Kerry was right in being against atrocities commited by our people, but what he did about it was treason. He is a traitor. He caused harm to our POW's. He does not deserve anything from this country except a one way ticket to Vietnam. And I will personally pay for it.


Maybe I misread you, but Kerry gave ammunition to the Communist Vietnamese so they could shoot American troops?
 
95DevilleNS said:
Maybe I misread you, but Kerry gave ammunition to the Communist Vietnamese so they could shoot American troops?
He did worse than that! That is why they honor him in a museum in North Vietnam.

Come on. Do some searching. The guy is a scumball.
 
You misread me.

He gave psycological information to the enemy to use against our own captured soldiers. There was more than 1 returned POW that has stated that when they were shown clips of John Kerry and Jane Fonda cavorting with the enemy that they almost lost hope and had comrades who did lose hope. Say what you will, Kerry is a traitor. It has been proven by his actions. Past and present. And most likely in the future.
 
95DevilleNS said:
Don't want to discredit them, I would have to assume this happned everywhere throughout the war to do so, which I don't think it did.

Kerry is ASSUMING that our soldiers are terrorists RIGHT NOW. He has absolutely no evidence that what he's stated is actually happening, yet he's reverting back to his old pattern from 35 years ago: Criticize, demagogue, lie, tell tales.

95DevilleNS said:
No, I wasn't there. But I'll tell you one thing, war atrocities/crimes do happen and Kerry isn't the ONLY Vietnam vet with similar stories. If you think they don't, I want to live in your happy world.

First of all, prove it before you make claims. You sound just like Kerry now, who by the way is the ONLY VIETNAM VET CRITICIZING OUR TROOPS WITH FAKE STORIES.

Second of all, you could live in my happy world if you'd just have a little faith in our troops to do the right thing.

Did you vote for him?
 
fossten said:
Kerry is ASSUMING that our soldiers are terrorists RIGHT NOW. He has absolutely no evidence that what he's stated is actually happening, yet he's reverting back to his old pattern from 35 years ago: Criticize, demagogue, lie, tell tales.

My orignal quote which started MonsterMark, Buford and yourself was in response to Kerry's Vietnam quote. I havent followed Kerry since he lost the presidency, he is old news to me.

fossten said:
First of all, prove it before you make claims. You sound just like Kerry now, who by the way is the ONLY VIETNAM VET CRITICIZING OUR TROOPS WITH FAKE STORIES.

Kerry wasn't the only vet to come back with stories of war crimes during the Vietnam War and I don't think he was accusing every soldier of being a barbarian. Hundreds of bastard Vietnamese children had by American fathers in Vietnam pretty much state that the raping of Vietnamese women at least happened. Unless you assume that they must all be whores willfully opening their legs to any American. As far as him criticizing the troops in Iraq of barbarism, if that is true then he better have definite proof or he'll look like an a-hole.

fossten said:
Second of all, you could live in my happy world if you'd just have a little faith in our troops to do the right thing.

I'd rather not live in ignorance and be sad than idle my time away in blissful ignorance.

I do have faith in our troops and I do believe they will make the best of a bad situation, they are unfortunate pawns and I feel for them everytime I hear another soldier was killed. I have never attacked the people serving in Iraq.

fossten said:
Did you vote for him?

Yes, unfortunately I had to choose between the lesser of two evils, or waste my vote on Nadar.
 
95DevilleNS said:
Yes, unfortunately I had to choose between the lesser of two evils, or waste my vote on Nadar.
You had a chance to vote to protect this country at all costs with all its resources (military, economic, political) or vote for the guy that would hand over our protection to countries like France.

You blew it.
 
MonsterMark said:
You had a chance to vote to protect this country at all costs with all its resources (military, economic, political) or vote for the guy that would hand over our protection to countries like France.

You blew it.

Lol...... Like I said, 'lesser of two evils', Bush wasn't instilling faith in me, so I had to take a gamble.

And you'll be the one swallowing it if Bush doesn't pull through. Better pray.
 
Rush Limbaugh today...
Liberalism is the easiest, most gutless choice anybody can make. Courage is speaking for freedom while faced with tyranny, not speaking for tyranny while living in freedom

And More...

and these people are advocating tyranny by suggesting Saddam shouldn't have been deposed, maybe we shouldn't even proceed with this trial, that Iraqis were better off.

I mean, these are the people that claim, folks, to have all these interests in human rights and civil rights and freedom and love and tolerance, and they're willing to consign the Iraqi population back to this thug dictator and all of his evil and all of his horrors -- and at the same time they want to be called courageous for doing so! Well, this is the exact opposite of courage. Courage is when you are tyrannized, when you're living in tyranny, and you dare speak up for your own freedom.


Add Carter, and Bill Clinton as well. Carter in many ways is difficult to distinguish from Ramsey Clark, because Carter is out there currently constantly embracing dictators, from Castro to that pot-bellied little fool in North Korea, Kim Jong Il or Kim Jung Il, Kim Il Jung, whatever they go by. They're always just out there traveling the world denouncing us. Clinton himself often comes close, but he pulls back. He'll go over to Dubai and rip the soldiers. He will not call them terrorists, but he'll demoralize them and attempt to make illegitimate their effort, then he'll come back and change his mind when he's speaking to an American audience. I guess he thinks this is courage, too, telling an audience what it wants to hear, even trying to triangulate the war. Then in the meantime, you've got Joe Lieberman who is the black sheep of this party because he speaks the truth and defends his country, but he's totally ignored. He's an outcast in his own party. Instead, you've got people like Cindy Sheehan and John Murtha, lauded, praised, because they undermine the war -- and in the process, undermine their country. Then you've got the media, nothing more than the Democrat National Committee house organ, the Democrat National Committee Times, the Democrat National Committee NBC, the DNC-ABC, and it's sickening. It is just sickening -- and they must pay a price.
 
fossten said:
Howard Dean for declaring that the U.S. won't be able to win the war in Iraq, saying Dean ought to be "hung for treason."

Jay Leno this evening, referencing Dean:

"If anyone knows anything about not winning, it is the democrats."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Now I see where you Fiberals get your debating skills!

VIETNAM VETERAN JOHN KERRY: [T]here is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- of -- of -- historical customs, religious customs, whether you like it or not. Iraqis should be doing that.

Wolf Blitzer said to Ken Mehlman, "What's your response to this?"

MEHLMAN: John Kerry was on Face the Nation this past weekend and he talked about American troops terrorizing Iraqi people, going into Iraqis' homes. I thought that was an incredibly irresponsible comment. I thought that Nancy Pelosi's echoing the retreat and defeat strategy that was laid out earlier was also wrong. I think Democrats all around the country need to stand up and be counted.

BLITZER: Getting a quick reaction to my interview only within the past few minutes where the chairman of the Republican Party Ken Mehlman who took a strong swipe at John Kerry for comments he made on Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer this Past Sunday. David Wade, a spokesman for John Kerry, just sent us over a statement saying: "Ken Mehlman's filthy and shameful lie about a decorated combat veteran is disgraceful. Political hack Ken Mehlman and draft dodging, doughnut-eating Rush Limbaugh have something in common, neither of them know anything about how to make American troops safe. John Kerry will continue to speak out about how to succeed in Iraq and protect brave American troops."

Wow. What a 5th-grade level insult. That's all the LibDems can do: call names and insult. They can't defend themselves in the arena of ideas. Kerry thinks he's better than everyone else, we should all bow before his Excellency. I want to know which part of Mehlman's statement was a lie.
 
Here's another take on that interview:
Rush "Ass Cyst" Limbaugh Attacks Vietnam Vet, Calls For Radical Change in Military Policy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/rush-ass-cyst-limbaugh-_b_11802.html

Sometimes you just have to just laugh at Rush Limbaugh. Here's a guy who dodged the Vietnam War draft by citing a cyst on his ass (no joke), and yet who accuses Vietnam War heroes essentially of treason. Today, Limbaugh's attack is on Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). You remember him – he's that guy who actually went over and served in Vietnam, while Limbaugh sat home, dropped his pants, and pointed his draft board to a cyst on his own ass in order to avoid serving his country.

Limbaugh is actually claiming that Kerry called American troops terrorists this weekend on CBS. Boy that would be real bad...if it were even close to true. So let's go to the transcript, shall we, to see if old Rush "Ass Cyst" Limbaugh is telling us the truth:

KERRY:... There is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children...

Yes, that's right – Limbaugh and other right-wing outfits claim that means Kerry is calling American soldiers terrorists. Clearly he's not – he said "there is no reason" for them to be required to do that as the war intensifies. He went on to say that it is time for the Iraqis to enforce their own security.

And that begs a question: does Ass Cyst Limbaugh – the same guy who avoided combat – actually WANT American troops to start "going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children?" Because that's what he is actually endorsing. I don't know about you, but I'd bet military commanders in the field would think that's a bad idea.

Actually, we don't have to bet - we can just look at the record and see that yes, top military commanders agree with Kerry - not with Ass Cyst Limbaugh. For instance, back in 2003, the UK Guardian reported that Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, head of the allied forces in Iraq, "said the US had decided to revise its strategy and limit the scope of raids after being warned they were alienating the public." He said, "It was a fact that I started to get multiple indicators that maybe our iron-fisted approach to the conduct of ops was beginning to alienate Iraqis. I started to get those sensings from multiple sources, all the way from the governing council down to average people."

Earlier this year, the Washington Post reported that the U.S. military was rightly questioning its own raid strategy – as Kerry alluded to – because:

"The raids turn up little and leave hard feelings among civilians who resent foreign soldiers bursting into their homes, breaking doors and gates and pointing guns at their heads. They resent these men catching their wives and daughters in their bedclothes. They resent them barking orders, telling them to get on the ground, invading their homes, emptying drawers and turning over mattresses."

So let's be clear: what Ass Cyst Limbaugh is doing is both lying about Kerry, and frontally endorsing a radical change in U.S. military policy whereby our soldiers actually do start terrorizing people. He is doing this, even as our own military says that would be a mistake.

But then, Ass Cyst Limbaugh always talks with such confidence that maybe we should we should call him Sgt. Ass Warts Limbaugh, issue him a weapon, put him in uniform, and send him over to actually implement his new house-to-house urban combat raid strategy. He seems so excited and supportive of it – and so determined to have the U.S. military commanders adopt his ideas - I'll bet he's ready to go serve his country, right?

Don't hold your breath - you can bet if we tried that, he'd simply start crying in fear, beg for mercy, and then desperately unveil his fat ass and point to it as an excuse to once again avoid actually living by his own rhetoric.
 

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