John McCain Supports Hatred Against Catholics and Jews

[Maxb49]

In all candor, I have never heard anything that would indicate Obama was a good attorney or even a competent one. He was an associate attorney at a Chicago law firm. Does that make him President material? Frankly, I don't have much respect or regard for attorneys- and I say that having a number of friends who happen to be ivy league trained attorneys.

I have a great deal of respect for attorneys and if you yourself went through law school and practiced law you would feel differently. The people who don't respect attorneys are the first people who demand an attorney when they are arrested. Fidel Castro made it a point to kill Cuba's attorneys when he came to power because he would never have maintained a dictatorship with attorneys and judges against him. Barack Obama is a Constitutional scholar and professor. He's not simply an "associate attorney". He's a professor of law. A scholar. And whether you like it or not, our great country would not survive without lawyers.

Is he a better attorney than Hillary?

Perhaps, perhaps not, but as I said above I do not like Hillary Clinton and I feel that the other two candidates are far more tained by corruption than Obama.

Does a law degree really represent EXECUTIVE responsibility, or simply the ability to disregard ethics and talk out of both sides of your mouth?


No it's a combination of things, but my standards for what a president should be are far more realistic than most of America. A president is neither a god nor a king. They're administrators. A president who understands that government should be limited from impacting the rights of people, a president who doesn't profit from his term in office or let his friends profit, and a president who stays within his Constitutional bounds and doesn't commit major screw ups (Weapons of Mass Destruction, NAFTA, Waco come to mind) is what I'm looking for. A lawyer who has passed his bar exam shows a certain level of competence. Even Mitt Romney, to me, would have been competent as an administrator if he could keep his corporate buddies from robbing the treasury.

If you want to know why I'm supporting Obama, these are but a few points and I don't have the time to go on and on. It's complex, probably as complex as your reasoning, but it's a reasoned decision and I hope you have some insight into what I'm looking at.

 

[Maxb49]

An associate attorney is generally someone who works under the supervision of, or with a member attorney. An associate attorney is the lowest ranking attorney in a law firm environment. It generally goes from "associate" to "member", to "managing" attorneys or "partner" who run the firm. Obviously, law firms can have their own ranking system, but in general to say that Barack proves he is competent to be president of the United States based on being an associate counsel at a Chicago law firm is a stretch to say the least. Many members of Congress are lawyers and some were high priced lawyers, but that doesn't mean they are competent leaders and legislatures. LOL

The associates do all the work. He was a Constitutional professor. Give me a break. I want someone who is going to protect my Constitutional rights. I don't give a s*** about their healthcare plans or any of that other b.s. You don't have anything without your Constitutional rights protected. You have people listening in on your phone conversations, busting in on your house, holding you in communicado, denying you your right to an attorney. How about not transporting you to a court when your case is to be heard or denying you to the right of a court appearance because of what? Denial of habeas corpus! Our rights are given to us by the Creator, whoever that is. Now, whoever is running for president and will protect my rights is getting my vote. Obama is going to protect my rights. McCain isn't. Clinton isn't. End of story.

 

[MonsterMark]

Obama is going to protect my rights.

Obama wants to put you in the soup line with everyone else as soon as possible. Better bring a spoon.

Every solution he proposes is a 'government' solution.

He is an anti-capitalist.
He is anti-entrepreneurial.

What do you expect from a socialist?

Obama wants to take us back 70 years, to Roosevelt's New Deal.

Sorry! Been there, done that.

Barack means MORE government intervention. EXACTLY what to CLAIM to abhor. Nice deep thinking there.

 

[Maxb49]

Obama wants to put you in the soup line with everyone else as soon as possible. Better bring a spoon.

Barack means MORE government intervention. EXACTLY what to CLAIM to abhore. Nice deep thinking there.

McCain and Hillary will shove more government down your throats. Government spending increases under every president. Even Reagan raised government spending. At least I'll still have my rights protected by Obama. Nice try.

 

[MAC1]

The associates do all the work.

Really, in what law firm? What work? Paralegal type work, including legal research and draft writing. To make such a broad statement is way out of bounds and is simply inaccurate. Associates generally work under member attorneys who bring in the clients. They are relied on but they are not the experienced and breadwinners of the firm.

Anyway, Obama is not known as a well-established attorney. He may be book smart but that doesn't mean he's a good attorney. Similarly, just because he's a Harvard graduate and professor doesn't equate to being the best choice for president. He's a socialist who is in favor of big government and raising taxes. As far as I'm concerned this is enough to DQ him.

 

[Maxb49]

Really, in what law firm? What work? Paralegal type work, including legal research and draft writing.

You are obviously not an attorney because you display a lack of familiarity with how the profession is run. So what qualification do you have to tell me what a good attorney is or isn't?

 

[MAC1]

You are obviously not an attorney because you display a lack of familiarity with how the profession is run.

You stand corrected and you have no clue. I certainly know about the legal profession.

 

[Maxb49]

You stand corrected and you have no clue.

Are you or are you not? What courts have you practiced in?

 

[MAC1]

Are you or are you not? What courts have you practiced in?

What does court have to do with anything? Moreover, when I discussed what "associates" do I made clear it was a "general" statement, not the rule. You must be an associate with a big ego and you think your all that and a bag of chips.

 

[Maxb49]

What does court have to do with anything? Moreover, when I discussed what "associates" do I made clear it was a "general" statement, not the rule. You must be an associate with a big ego and you think your all that and a bag of chips.

Quit ducking the question.

Are you an attorney?

What states/federal circuit courts are you admitted at?

 

[MAC1]

Quit ducking the question.

Are you an attorney?

What states/federal circuit courts are you admitted to?

This is none of your business!

 

[Maxb49]

This is none of your business!

Oh it is. You opened the issue. What makes you qualified to determine who is or is not an attorney.

Are you an attorney?

 

[MAC1]

Oh it is. You opened the issue. What makes you qualified to determine who is or is not an attorney.

Are you an attorney?

No, you opened the issue and I don't feel obligated to play your idiotic games. You want to argue over what an associate counsel does in a law firm as though it's an established fact that associates do all the work, which tells me you think you're a know-it-all.

 

[Maxb49]

No, you opened the issue and I don't feel obligated to play your idiotic games.

You sir are obviously not an attorney so you don't even have to respond because your answer and your statements indicate to me that you are not an attorney nor could you ever be an attorney because you cannot think like an attorney.

 

[MAC1]

You sir are obviously not an attorney so you don't even have to respond because your answer and your statements indicate to me that you are not an attorney nor could you ever be an attorney because you cannot think like an attorney.

Whatever!

 

[Maxb49]

Whatever!

Your response is indicative that you are not an attorney, you don't know what an attorney does, you have no idea how an attorney functions, and what the career path for an attorney is. You sir are a fraud.

 

[MAC1]

Your response is indicative that you are not an attorney, you don't know what an attorney does, you have no idea how an attorney functions, and what the career path for an attorney is. You sir are a fraud.

I figured you wouldn't drop this. No, you generalize too much, which tells me you lack critical thinking skills.

 

[Maxb49]

I figured you wouldn't drop this. No, you generalize too much, which tells me you lack critical thinking skills.

Insults aside, sir, you are still a fraud.

 

[fossten]

Insults aside, sir, you are still a fraud.

And you're a noob who doesn't know how to have a substantive debate.

Are YOU an attorney?

 

[Maxb49]

And you're a noob who doesn't know how to have a substantive debate.

Am I an attorney? Yes I am. I am admitted to practice law in the State of New York. You can't insult me. I don't care - you talk about personal attacks, you can call me every name under the sun but I have a thick hide. Keep it up all night it still doesn't take away from the fact that that man is still a fraud and so is Hagee and so are you. And I'm still an attorney.

 

[fossten]

[whiny voice]Am I an attorney? Yes I am. I am admitted to practice law in the State of New York. [whiny voice]You can't insult me. I don't care - you talk about personal attacks, you can call me every name under the sun but I have a thick hide. Keep it up all night it still doesn't take away from the fact that that man is still a fraud and so is Hagee and so are you. And I'm still an attorney.

Well you sling insults and accusations in all directions and, if an attorney, certainly you suck at it because you do not know how to have a substantive debate. So you're a fraud as far as your employer is concerned.

 

[Maxb49]

So you're a fraud as far as your employer is concerned.

I work for no one.

 

[fossten]

I work for no one.

So you're an unemployed attorney? :bowrofl:

Or do you call yourself a "consultant?"

That's even funnier.

Or are you "of counsel" to any firm? Or maybe you fled the United States because you have outstanding warrants? Sounds more likely.

 

[Maxb49]

Or maybe you fled the United States because you have outstanding warrants? Sounds more likely.

Yeah, because the State of New York isn't in the United States. How does someone like you manage to remember to breathe?

 

[fossten]

Yeah, because the State of New York isn't in the United States. How does someone like you manage to remember to breathe?

I read by your response that you acknowledge being unemployed. Congratulations, Mr. Attorney. Please produce a photocopy of your license to practice so that I can be further awed by your magnificence.