MonsterMark
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You comparing these couples???LMAO.eL eS said:
Liberals vs Conservatives
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MonsterMark
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Man, If I had to hear that 'I've got a plan for America' crap one more time I would have went insane. Here's Kerry's plan...eL eS said:
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MonsterMark said:
No doubt talk about stoopid. at leats GW was forward with all his plans. the competition as you demostrated was empty.
Hmm lets see a guy with a plan that we all could see and graduated Yale with a 77 or a guy with a plan we can't see and graduated from Yale with a 76. Those who cast their vote for the latter; well are simply without the intelligence to make good decisions and really needs to be enrolled in a nice liberal entitlement program.
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MonsterMark said:
I can hear her now calling to her croonies. JASPER, HORACE get me those PUPPIES!
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eL eS said:
I've known many liberals who'd give you the shirt off their back and many conservatives who'd steal from a collection plate. I don't believe it's as simple as this. Most people seem to be liberal on some issues and conservative on others, unless they have an agenda. As you would expect many of these agendas are self serving despite the language they may be presented in. Then the labels come out to get peoples attention.
It seems to be true that most who identify with liberal agendas reject the notion of god, a higher power, or ethics. The scientific mind that trivializes humanity is their "god".
Vitas
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barry2952 said:
barry2952 said:
As the originator of this thread I ask you to save gutter one liners for elsewhere.
OK?
MonsterMark
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Right from the horses mouth. Here was the original polling results that had the Dems so giddy on election day. Of course, factor in the actual 5 point spread in Bush's favor into some of the figures.eL eS said:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x273586
eL eS
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Yep looks like the educated were and are more in favor for GWB as well as the folks that are not on some entitlement program. I have always been conservative but I have not always made the money I make today. I used to be in the 0-15k and the 16-30k and to get out of that demographic only required an education. hmmmmm
BTW. Great discovery! One correction though it was not from the horses mouth rather it came from the donkeys mouth.
BTW. Great discovery! One correction though it was not from the horses mouth rather it came from the donkeys mouth.
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One thing that I hate, and I view both parties as guilty of this:
It seems to me when you're in political office, what you feel doesn't really matter anymore, you just go along with the party decree and party policy on most issues. Sure, I can understand the "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." mentality and the aim for teamwork, but, that's not what bothers me most. What bothers me most is that it too often seems that if a republican proposes an idea about anything, whether big or small, the bulk of democrats are automatically opposed to it and the bulk of republicans are automatically in favor of it.
The reason that bothers me so much, is that as often as not, or more, it does not strike me as ideological differences at work, but a complex, intricate power struggle that supercedes ideology, or anything else. That's the biggest problem, there's way too much red vs. blue going on, and not nearly enough "lets work to solve these problems together" like they were supposed to be doing all along.
I like this thread, by the way.
It seems to me when you're in political office, what you feel doesn't really matter anymore, you just go along with the party decree and party policy on most issues. Sure, I can understand the "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." mentality and the aim for teamwork, but, that's not what bothers me most. What bothers me most is that it too often seems that if a republican proposes an idea about anything, whether big or small, the bulk of democrats are automatically opposed to it and the bulk of republicans are automatically in favor of it.
The reason that bothers me so much, is that as often as not, or more, it does not strike me as ideological differences at work, but a complex, intricate power struggle that supercedes ideology, or anything else. That's the biggest problem, there's way too much red vs. blue going on, and not nearly enough "lets work to solve these problems together" like they were supposed to be doing all along.
I like this thread, by the way.
eL eS
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Moby and Lucille said:One thing that I hate, and I view both parties as guilty of this:
It seems to me when you're in political office, what you feel doesn't really matter anymore, you just go along with the party decree and party policy on most issues. Sure, I can understand the "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." mentality and the aim for teamwork, but, that's not what bothers me most. What bothers me most is that it too often seems that if a republican proposes an idea about anything, whether big or small, the bulk of democrats are automatically opposed to it and the bulk of republicans are automatically in favor of it.
The reason that bothers me so much, is that as often as not, or more, it does not strike me as ideological differences at work, but a complex, intricate power struggle that supercedes ideology, or anything else. That's the biggest problem, there's way too much red vs. blue going on, and not nearly enough "lets work to solve these problems together" like they were supposed to be doing all along.
I like this thread, by the way.
I concur. All I really want to see is cooperation and less doom and gloom. The Liberal retort is almost always overwhelingly negative. I have to disagree with the bulk of the replublicans always being on the side of the other republicans. There have been many examples in recent history of the top level republicans disagreeing with Bush and fellow party member ideas.
On thei Liberal side I see none with the exception of Zell Miller (D) Ga.
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What I find curious/humorous is for the 40 years that our brother Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress, there was never this talk of bi-partisanship. Only since the Republicans gained a foothold has there been all this talk of partisanship. When we had to keep our mouths shut and take what was shoveled to us, there wasn't a problem, but now that the shoe is on the other foot..........eL eS said:
Personally, I think the Dems should shut up and let us run with things for a while. If we screw up, the public will let us know and will vote us out of office.
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MonsterMark said:
No doubt. Further, they failed to solve the problems that we as a nation are still trying to solve this very day. I am with you, they should shut up and get in the back seat becasue we have the driver and shotgun positions.
In fact, get in the trunk or since they like to consider conservatives white hillbilly christians.. get on in da' back of muh truck with the dawg an' shut yo' mouf' while we git-r-done!
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:Beer I'm with you brotha. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.eL eS said:
Quite in the back. Dad's driving.
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MonsterMark said:
Wow that is good. I got a great belly laugh out of that comment "Quite in the back. Dad is driving." Wow I am still laughing.
I did not get to where I am at today by enrolling in entitlement programs unless you consider volunteering to join the Armed Forces and entitlement program. I did not finish high school! Yet I had the clarity to recognize that if I am going to change things that I needed to take responsibility for my future. I had to bust my butt to get into the USN even more than someone that did graduate high school. I scored an 80 on the ASVAB which EARNED my a great technical job with the Navy.
I see the individual investment accounts the same way I seen the GI Bill. You invest you get a return, you own it. I invested 1200 dollars of my E1 pay while I supported my mother and brother and neither of them could be considered dependents so I did not qualify for housing etc but I digress. For that 1200 dollars I had a return of 12k dollars that I could use for my education.
I am sure I do not even have to tell the staunchest of liberals that 12k dollars does not get you all the way through a BS in Computer Science. When I enrolled I had bills such as car payments, rent, power, phone and groceries just like every other person in the world has. So I had to work and attend college at the same time and eventually I had to carry the burden of paying tuition. I earned a few academic scholarships for busting my tail and making great grades along the way which helped but still did not pay for all my tuition , labs and books so I kept working. I am still working today to help pay for my childrens education as well as my wifes.
Nothing was given to me except some diffcult circumstances to climb out of and I am proud to say that my brother follwed in my foot steps and my mothers is doing well now and lives on some nice farm land in SC. She arrived there becasue she did not give up. She too was a high school drop out, came from a broken home like me and is a victim of rape and abuse. She too knew she had to work while I worked to help her and my brother. She endured some of the most laborius work out there such as brick masons help, electrical helper and gneral labor. She earned her GED and continued on to junior college to get herself out of where she was.
You do not get that kind of clarity when you are propped up by a freebie program that does not expect any sort of results out of recipient. The recipient has to expect results for themselves before they expect a hand up. I am not against giving rather I am against continually giving to folks that could otherwise being doing something to help themselves but choose not to.
I hope you will pardon my rant but I thought it necessary to demonstrate where I came from in order to better substantiate my position on these issues.
MonsterMark
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Crystal clarity over here. Thanks for the rant.eL eS said:
Conservative/Republicans...Help up.
Liberals/Democrats...Hand out.
Pretty clear distinction if you ask me.
eL eS
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MonsterMark said:Pretty clear distinction if you ask me.
Yep reduce it to its lowest common denominator and it is just as you put it.
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JohnnyBz00LS
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When you two are done circle-jerking each other, let us know.
EDUCATION.......Vert Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
No HighSchool 4% 47% 52% 1% 1.9% 2.1% 0.0%
H.S. Graduate 22% 48% 51% 1% 10.6% 11.2% 0.2%
Some College. 31% 51% 47% 1% 15.8% 14.6% 0.3%
College Grad. 26% 50% 48% 1% 13.0% 12.5% 0.3%
Postgrad..... 17% 40% 58% 2% 6.8% 9.9% 0.3%
Contrary to your opinion, the most highly educated went for Kerry by the largest margin.
Also......
INCOME Vert. Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
$0-$15,000 9% 33% 66% 1% 3.0% 5.9% 0.1%
$15-30,000 15% 39% 59% 1% 5.9% 8.9% 0.2%
$30-50,000 22% 47% 52% 1% 10.3% 11.4% 0.2%
$50-75,000 23% 53% 45% 1% 12.2% 10.4% 0.2%
$75-100,000 13% 50% 49% 0% 6.5% 6.4% 0.0%
$100-150,000 11% 53% 45% 2% 5.8% 5.0% 0.2%
$150-200,000 4% 53% 47% 0% 2.1% 1.9% 0.0%
$200,000 + 4% 58% 41% 1% 2.3% 1.6% 0.0%
...... the income bracket carried by BuSh by the largest margin was *suprise* those making $200K+. Confirmation that GWB panders to the elite and fosters the class war.
And lastly.......
MOST IMPORTANT
ISSUE Vert. Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
Taxes 5% 53% 47% 0% 2.7% 2.4% 0.0%
Education 4% 24% 75% 0% 1.0% 3.0% 0.0%
Iraq 15% 23% 76% 1% 3.5% 11.4% 0.2%
Terrorism 18% 85% 15% 1% 15.3% 2.7% 0.2%
Economy/Jobs 20% 16% 82% 1% 3.2% 16.4% 0.2%
Moral Values 21% 78% 19% 3% 16.4% 4.0% 0.6%
Health Care 8% 20% 79% 0% 1.6% 6.3% 0.0%
...... it is interesting that BuSh's strongest issue was "Terrorism", yet the majority of people concerned about "Iraq" preferred Kerry. Apparently BuSh's scare tactics worked, yet most felt Kerry was the man to finish the job in Iraq.
:F
eL eS said:
EDUCATION.......Vert Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
No HighSchool 4% 47% 52% 1% 1.9% 2.1% 0.0%
H.S. Graduate 22% 48% 51% 1% 10.6% 11.2% 0.2%
Some College. 31% 51% 47% 1% 15.8% 14.6% 0.3%
College Grad. 26% 50% 48% 1% 13.0% 12.5% 0.3%
Postgrad..... 17% 40% 58% 2% 6.8% 9.9% 0.3%
Contrary to your opinion, the most highly educated went for Kerry by the largest margin.
Also......
INCOME Vert. Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
$0-$15,000 9% 33% 66% 1% 3.0% 5.9% 0.1%
$15-30,000 15% 39% 59% 1% 5.9% 8.9% 0.2%
$30-50,000 22% 47% 52% 1% 10.3% 11.4% 0.2%
$50-75,000 23% 53% 45% 1% 12.2% 10.4% 0.2%
$75-100,000 13% 50% 49% 0% 6.5% 6.4% 0.0%
$100-150,000 11% 53% 45% 2% 5.8% 5.0% 0.2%
$150-200,000 4% 53% 47% 0% 2.1% 1.9% 0.0%
$200,000 + 4% 58% 41% 1% 2.3% 1.6% 0.0%
...... the income bracket carried by BuSh by the largest margin was *suprise* those making $200K+. Confirmation that GWB panders to the elite and fosters the class war.
And lastly.......
MOST IMPORTANT
ISSUE Vert. Bush Kerry Nader Bush Kerry Nader
Taxes 5% 53% 47% 0% 2.7% 2.4% 0.0%
Education 4% 24% 75% 0% 1.0% 3.0% 0.0%
Iraq 15% 23% 76% 1% 3.5% 11.4% 0.2%
Terrorism 18% 85% 15% 1% 15.3% 2.7% 0.2%
Economy/Jobs 20% 16% 82% 1% 3.2% 16.4% 0.2%
Moral Values 21% 78% 19% 3% 16.4% 4.0% 0.6%
Health Care 8% 20% 79% 0% 1.6% 6.3% 0.0%
...... it is interesting that BuSh's strongest issue was "Terrorism", yet the majority of people concerned about "Iraq" preferred Kerry. Apparently BuSh's scare tactics worked, yet most felt Kerry was the man to finish the job in Iraq.
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You know what this whole liberal vs conservative thing is, don't you? It's just some great big cosmic marital spat. Sure, it's Mother Earth vs. Father God.
MonsterMark
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I think it has more to do with evolution.Moby and Lucille said:You know what this whole liberal vs conservative thing is, don't you? It's just some great big cosmic marital spat. Sure, it's Mother Earth vs. Father God.
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JohnnyBz00LS said:
Yeah I am sure they that segment sample were college professors which we all know to be ultra union liberals and have the most to lose.
Also......
JohnnyBz00LS said:
You liberals would certainly know class warfare when you see it since you invented it! The people in that income bracket are entitled to tax breaks more so than the liberal entitlement junkies are entitled to it. Do not be jealous of them. Aspire to be like them. Make decisions and take actions to be as they are wealthy people that have earned their place in society.
Robbing them to pay the way for folks that have failed to live as they did and do is not the way to solving the problems of those who did not pay attention in school, did not say no, did not wear protection and got an STD or pregnant.
You party of choice is certainly not going to solve the SS problem by promoting the murder of unborn children at will. This country's baby boom was followed by a baby bust and we have some real issues to settle and your party are practicing obstruction not solution.
And lastly.......
JohnnyBz00LS said:
No, no remember the people didn't want Iraq to be finished and the most assured way to see their will carried out would have been to elect Scary, I mean Kerry.
At any rate figures lie and liars figure. Obviously though you missed the final call which left GWB victorious along with the people of this nation. The people chose to consoldate power to one party, the Republicans. You liberals had a chance. Quite in the back. Dad is driving.
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eL eS
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barry2952 said:I'd say it had more to do with de-evolution.
Yes! conservatives evolved while liberals de-evolved!
Vitas
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barry2952 said:
Now there is an erudite staement.
Do you have many friends?
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JohnnyBz00LS said:
Do you have a linK? From what I can see, the majority, making over 50K, voted for Bush.