Liberals vs Conservatives

INCOME.................Vert...Bush..Kerry.Nader..Bush.....Kerry...Nader
$0-$15,000..............9%..33%...66%...1%.....3.0%....5.9%...0.1%
$15-30,000............15%..39%...59%...1%.....5.9%....8.9%...0.2%
$30-50,000............22%..47%...52%...1%....10.3%..11.4%...0.2%
$50-75,000............23%..53%...45%...1%....12.2%..10.4%...0.2%
$75-100,000..........13%...50%...49%...0%.....6.5%....6.4%...0.0%
$100-150,000........11%...53%...45%...2%.....5.8%....5.0%...0.2%
$150-200,000.........4%...53%...47%...0%.....2.1%.....1.9%...0.0%
$200,000+..............4%...58%...41%...1%.....2.3%....1.6%...0.0%
.........................100%...............................48.1%..51.4%...1.0%

Johnny..."...... the income bracket carried by BuSh by the largest margin was *suprise* those making $200K+. Confirmation that GWB panders to the elite and fosters the class war."

Nope, the non-biggest surprise are the people that do not pay into the system continue to side with the pandering and handouts provided by the Democrats. As soon as people start to pay taxes, they go conservative. What does that tell you?

I could wipe out the Democrats in one election cycle (4 years). Turn every working person in America into a tax payer. MAKE them pay all their taxes by personal check monthly or quarterly like the rest of the self-employed have to do in this country. Include in that check a flat tax, (I would even give the lower income brackets a break there, even if it is 3-5%, they should pay it), but also make them pay the Social Security and Medi-care/caid, PLUS the matching amount the employer pays on their behalf and ALL their insurance. Heck, raise the minimum wage to $12.00 to cover the low end. But force these ordinary citizens into writing out a check every month/quarter and you would see a revolution in this country no one has ever seen. Turn these people into members of the ownership society and they will in turn wipe out the Democrats and the hand-out mentality they represent. Nothing makes someone more conservative than paying taxes.

Heck, take a look a Barry. Sorry to use you as an example bud but you have admitted on these forums that you are a fiscal conservative but liberal on most everything else. So when it comes to your wallet, you want to take personal control over that (which is great) but then you turn around and want the government to run amok with all their stupid and wasteful spending programs that burn up 85% of every dollar before that money actually reaches the intended recipient.

Johnny, chew on that my man.
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$50-75,000............23%..53%...45%...1%....12.2%..10.4%...0.2%

53 to 45

No Contest.
 
Vitas said:
Now there is an erudite staement.

Do you have many friends?


I'm sorry, Please take a hike.

Who need you as a friend? Hello Pot.
 
Been around for almost fifty years now, got two college degrees, lived in the "sticks", lived in the city, been poor, been well off, raised three kids, been married almost twentyfive years, lived with "minorities" as family members.

Just like to observe:

Being educated is not the same thing as being smart

All people are ignorant of more than they are aware of

People with money are no smarter or dumber than people without money

Just because you can't read, or write, (or spell!) doesn't mean you are stupid

If you haven't raised any children, shut up, you have no business telling others how to do it "correctly"

Liberals are the first to whine about being picked on and the first to go running to the teacher

Am I a "liberal"? on somethings, Am I a "conservative"? on somethings. The world is not black and white, only teenagers and the immature see it that way.

The "MAN", any man, is not who is keeping YOU down

As Mr. Browne said, "All the wonders of the world can be found within you"

Science is mans attempt to find out how god makes things work. Hey, if "he" did it we should be able to do it to, 'cause we're so responsible it'll help the world. Right?
 
MonsterMark said:
INCOME.................Vert...Bush..Kerry.Nader..Bush.....Kerry...Nader
$0-$15,000..............9%..33%...66%...1%.....3.0%....5.9%...0.1%
$15-30,000............15%..39%...59%...1%.....5.9%....8.9%...0.2%
$30-50,000............22%..47%...52%...1%....10.3%..11.4%...0.2%
$50-75,000............23%..53%...45%...1%....12.2%..10.4%...0.2%
$75-100,000..........13%...50%...49%...0%.....6.5%....6.4%...0.0%
$100-150,000........11%...53%...45%...2%.....5.8%....5.0%...0.2%
$150-200,000.........4%...53%...47%...0%.....2.1%.....1.9%...0.0%
$200,000+..............4%...58%...41%...1%.....2.3%....1.6%...0.0%
.........................100%...............................48.1%..51.4%...1.0%

Johnny..."...... the income bracket carried by BuSh by the largest margin was *suprise* those making $200K+. Confirmation that GWB panders to the elite and fosters the class war."

Nope, the non-biggest surprise are the people that do not pay into the system continue to side with the pandering and handouts provided by the Democrats. As soon as people start to pay taxes, they go conservative. What does that tell you?

I could wipe out the Democrats in one election cycle (4 years). Turn every working person in America into a tax payer. MAKE them pay all their taxes by personal check monthly or quarterly like the rest of the self-employed have to do in this country. Include in that check a flat tax, (I would even give the lower income brackets a break there, even if it is 3-5%, they should pay it), but also make them pay the Social Security and Medi-care/caid, PLUS the matching amount the employer pays on their behalf and ALL their insurance. Heck, raise the minimum wage to $12.00 to cover the low end. But force these ordinary citizens into writing out a check every month/quarter and you would see a revolution in this country no one has ever seen. Turn these people into members of the ownership society and they will in turn wipe out the Democrats and the hand-out mentality they represent. Nothing makes someone more conservative than paying taxes.

Heck, take a look a Barry. Sorry to use you as an example bud but you have admitted on these forums that you are a fiscal conservative but liberal on most everything else. So when it comes to your wallet, you want to take personal control over that (which is great) but then you turn around and want the government to run amok with all their stupid and wasteful spending programs that burn up 85% of every dollar before that money actually reaches the intended recipient.

Johnny, chew on that my man.
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AMEN!
 
The only thing the far left can do is shout and act angry in an attempt to make thier agenda more palatable and/pr believable and to enlist those on the fringe that have done nothing but disenfranchise themselves.

You need look no farther than barry's retorts to recognize the patterns. Heck my first posts in to the political forum he lead in with ahh another right wing nut job and a few other disparaging terms. Completely consistent with the rest of the party.
 
Actually, If you'd bothered to read any of the previous posts on this site before you added your drivel you'd find that the only consistancy is the Conservatives deflecting blame for everything onto everyone but themselves.

Bush's popularity contest is over. Only 41% now think we're going in the right direction. I love the smell of impeachment in the air.

And yes, you have well proven to be just another right wing nut job. It's like listening to a recording of Rush. Don't you have any original thoughts? You're worse than Monstermark. He just posts to elicit a response. You just post to spew your kind of hate.

I think MonsterMark is even tiring of your overblown ego.
 
I rest my case.

My thoughts and opinions are my own and not scripted by any thrid partys spin. Developed from my life expericences from childhood to war time Veteran to citizen. I read and listen to multiple media outlets including your beloved NPR and PBS with Jim Liberal, I mean Lehrer.

In regards to your closing remarks; I have no doubt that MonsterMark is man enough to speak for himself and I am man enough to accept his criticism when and if it comes. Further, I expect it will have more substance than all of your bombastic posts combined.
 
who was it that said:

"If a man is not a liberal in his youth, he has no heart. If he is not conservative when aged, he has no head."

Was it Churchill?

makes sense to me! it's human to be irrationally emotional and agree with liberals, but it's smart to chose wisdom over emotion and agree with conservatives. :Beer
 
barry2952 said:
Actually, If you'd bothered to read any of the previous posts on this site before you added your drivel you'd find that the only consistancy is the Conservatives deflecting blame for everything onto everyone but themselves.

Bush's popularity contest is over. Only 41% now think we're going in the right direction. I love the smell of impeachment in the air.

And yes, you have well proven to be just another right wing nut job. It's like listening to a recording of Rush. Don't you have any original thoughts? You're worse than Monstermark. He just posts to elicit a response. You just post to spew your kind of hate.

I think MonsterMark is even tiring of your overblown ego.

LoL @ U, barry!!
that's cuz the left tries to blame most of their mistakes on the right, but when the right does something .... RIGHT... the left tries to take the credit!

And when it comes to Rush... he covers all the bases so well how can we not agree with him? As far as ideas go, the right is full of working ideas while the left has no ideas, they just waste their time trying to make the right's ideas look bad (and make bad ideas look left, lol) -- they just spin their wheels and get nowhere, which is why Kerry ain't pres!!! So what is wrong with the right being in agreement?

The left has no agreement or original good ideas... except to say the same stupid retaliation to the right when we are right!!! lol When conservatives are right, the left says we are "hate mongers", cuz really they hate us. Can't come up with an original comeback? can't prove your point? use liberal retort numero uno - "conservatives are full of hate."
translation: "I have no logical reply, you are so right that I hate you!"
this is what we conservatives see from the libs every time they get boxed into the corner of their ill-logic. libs will kick and cry all day but when they realize they are in an argument they can't rationalize, they think we are arguing with them cuz we hate, lol. NO! we argue because we are right and you are wrong, and if ya dont quite cryin and try to use some common sense, you libs will always be wrong! It's like the lil kid who gets reprimanded by a teacher... "mommy, teacher hates me, whaaaa!".... "No, sally, teacher doesn't hate you, she is just trying to teach you!"

Makes sense to me!!! you won't understand til ya stop believing lies.

btw... I'm a noob to this bbs, i drive a markviii and im full of wind, but I only say about 10% of what I want to say -- and im usually right!!! :N (its a curse im sure)
 
you think?

Heh heh... :joke at least you didnt reply with, "I HATE YOU"

now that would have been funny! :wrench

btw, wanna be right? just switch sides!
:W
:invasion:
 
Gruuvin8 said:
LoL @ U, barry!!
that's cuz the left tries to blame most of their mistakes on the right, but when the right does something .... RIGHT... the left tries to take the credit!

And when it comes to Rush... he covers all the bases so well how can we not agree with him? As far as ideas go, the right is full of working ideas while the left has no ideas, they just waste their time trying to make the right's ideas look bad (and make bad ideas look left, lol) -- they just spin their wheels and get nowhere, which is why Kerry ain't pres!!! So what is wrong with the right being in agreement?

The left has no agreement or original good ideas... except to say the same stupid retaliation to the right when we are right!!! lol When conservatives are right, the left says we are "hate mongers", cuz really they hate us. Can't come up with an original comeback? can't prove your point? use liberal retort numero uno - "conservatives are full of hate."
translation: "I have no logical reply, you are so right that I hate you!"
this is what we conservatives see from the libs every time they get boxed into the corner of their ill-logic. libs will kick and cry all day but when they realize they are in an argument they can't rationalize, they think we are arguing with them cuz we hate, lol. NO! we argue because we are right and you are wrong, and if ya dont quite cryin and try to use some common sense, you libs will always be wrong! It's like the lil kid who gets reprimanded by a teacher... "mommy, teacher hates me, whaaaa!".... "No, sally, teacher doesn't hate you, she is just trying to teach you!"

Makes sense to me!!! you won't understand til ya stop believing lies.

btw... I'm a noob to this bbs, i drive a markviii and im full of wind, but I only say about 10% of what I want to say -- and im usually right!!! :N (its a curse im sure)

welcome aboard.

Call em' like you see em'. Liberals are so wrong they can spot them from the international space station :).
 
Gruuvin8 said:
you think?

Heh heh... :joke at least you didnt reply with, "I HATE YOU"

now that would have been funny! :wrench

btw, wanna be right? just switch sides!
:W
:invasion:

Right!
 
barry2952 said:
I think MonsterMark is even tiring of your overblown ego.

I disagree Monsieur Barri' ~ who if originally from Pari' ~ much like Madame Du Barri ~ one would have to agree ~ would pretty much explain the left leaning we see!

And as for Noah, it is obvious to me ~ a worldly gentleman that knows what he is talking about ~ So I offer my support for his opinions and theories ~ elevating our arguments while simultaneously making the left pout!

 
MonsterMark said:

I disagree Monsieur Barri' ~ who if originally from Pari' ~ much like Madame Du Barri ~ one would have to agree ~ would pretty much explain the left leaning we see!

And as for Noah, it is obvious to me ~ a worldly gentleman that knows what he is talking about ~ So I offer my support for his opinions and theories ~ elevating our arguments while simultaneously making the left pout!


I figured you would be of opposite position of our all assuming gentelman who wishes he were from France. However, being the gentleman that I am, I chose to defer voicing your opinion to you considering it is the proper thing to do.

Further, I figured it above your character to enlist lackeys of his caliber to render your opinion in the public.

And without further ado I bid you and all of Lvc, especially Monsieur Barri, bonne nuit.
 

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