LSK 03+ K&N Intake systems

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Ok, looking at LSK, I noticed there are two K&N air intake kits for the 03+, the Typhoon and the 63 Series Aircharger . My questions are:

1. What's the difference (other than $20)?
2. On the 63 Series there is a mention about legality in certain states. What's the issue, and which states?
3. How easy is it to find a replacement filter for both of these products?
4. Why do I ask so many damn questions? :D

If anyone could provide and answer, I would much appreicate it. Also, if anyone has installed either of these products, what's your opinion on the one you have?
 
$269.00! You know you can put together one of these from your local car parts store for under $40. No, it isn't the name brand - I think mine is called something like Power Adder - it looks the same, though. The point is, you can do this a whole lot cheaper if you want to.
 
Ones looks like metal and the other is plastic or something like that. Both should put down the same numbers in hp. The metal could have more heat soak, but the air spends only milli-secs in the tube, so I wouldn't be concerned. Take your pick. Replacing the filter won't be a issue as K&N filters are sold almost everywhere. As far as making one, you could, but the filter alone will be $40, adapter $20, tubing???$$$ depends on how good you want it to look I guess, and the heat shield takes a little skill to do along with $$$. I would recommend either as I'm confident they'll produce good power for you and that intake with a tune can produce 14.3s in the 1/4 on a 03+.

I have an 02 and have Kens Aluminum Unit with KKM, money well spent. It doesn't have a heat shield but I only feel power loss sometimes in the hotter weather. I mocked up a heat shield but just haven't followed thou with a final piece yet as the power loss is minimal, and lack of time to play with the LSE.
 
Thats a ton of money for what they are and what they claim to do. Waste of money, IMO. But, read each one carefully and you'll see that the cost difference is in the material used. I dont know how many times i have said it but the factory plastic used in your stock intake is a far superior material than ANY chrome,stainless,platinum,gold plated,bling bling intake you can buy. The chrome stuff is to look real cool when you open your hood...which is how often ?? A regular k&n panel filter to fit in the stock airbox will give you just as much airflow and the stock PLASTIC airbox is itself a heat shield.
 
You are absolutely correct about that, Fla02LS. Absolutely, correct.
 
Fla02LS said:
Thats a ton of money for what they are and what they claim to do. Waste of money, IMO. But, read each one carefully and you'll see that the cost difference is in the material used. I dont know how many times i have said it but the factory plastic used in your stock intake is a far superior material than ANY chrome,stainless,platinum,gold plated,bling bling intake you can buy. The chrome stuff is to look real cool when you open your hood...which is how often ?? A regular k&n panel filter to fit in the stock airbox will give you just as much airflow and the stock PLASTIC airbox is itself a heat shield.
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Post your time slip. Your as wrong as it gets.
 
Fla02LS said:
Thats a ton of money for what they are and what they claim to do. Waste of money, IMO. But, read each one carefully and you'll see that the cost difference is in the material used. I dont know how many times i have said it but the factory plastic used in your stock intake is a far superior material than ANY chrome,stainless,platinum,gold plated,bling bling intake you can buy. The chrome stuff is to look real cool when you open your hood...which is how often ?? A regular k&n panel filter to fit in the stock airbox will give you just as much airflow and the stock PLASTIC airbox is itself a heat shield.
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I want to see dyno sheets to see how correct you are on this. Until you post it to prove it wrong then you are just speculating.
 
Can we prove the reverse, then? In other words, do you have dyno sheets to prove YOUR side of it, Ken? I'm really currious; I really want to know.
 
paulownian said:
Can we prove the reverse, then? In other words, do you have dyno sheets to prove YOUR side of it, Ken? I'm really currious; I really want to know.
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Yes I do. If you click on my photo gallery on LvC you'll see a dyno we did with my car. I'll have to dig up the one we did for the stock 2003 LS but what was proved was that my modified 2001 LS with a cold air intake and exhaust system pulled more than a stock 2003 V8 LS. As you know, the 2003 and up V8 LS's were rated at 280 HP stock. Of course, that was rated at the crank. The 00-02 LS V8 is rated at 252 HP at the crank which shows a difference of 28 HP. My LS dynoed above the stock 2003 V8 LS. Thus proving that the modifications proved to be a substantial increase in power for the 00-02 LS. Now, we have not dynoed a 2003 and up LS with the KKM or K&N unit. I know that there was some information on LLSOC that stated that the KKM unit produced about 10 HP from stock. Maybe someone from there can substantiate that.

However, we know for a fact that the intake system and exhaust for the 00-02 shows a substantial increase over a stock setup. I have yet to see a comparison on a stock 00-02 LS with a paper filter versus one with just a K&N filter in the stock air box. It that proves to be 25-30 HP difference then we all are dillusional.
 
Here are the two dynos graphs for comparison. Note that on the 2003 LS it had a stock intake and exhaust. OEM rating at the crank is 280 HP. On the 2000-2002 LS the OEM rating at the crank is 252 HP. If you notice my LS pulled a bigger number than the stock 03 LS. Thus, proving the intake and exhaust provides substantial performance increase.

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Thank You!

I never saw the baseline 03 sheet.

Once again there are several people on here with 14.2 and 14.3 1/4 mile runs with just a intake and tune on there 03+ V-8s. They don't do that stock, not even close, therefore the mods work.
 
That's the first time I have seen these sheets, as well. There is definitely a noticible difference between the stock and the modified.

Now, my question is, what is the difference between the mods? As I mentioned in the initial postings about this issue, my setup costs close to $40. versus the cost of $269. for the other one. Granted the tubes on mine are a hard plastic with a chrome finish on them (they don't look any different, though and seem to be tough enough to handle the job). My point was that there are cheaper alternatives out there for those of us who wanted the look, sound and performance without having to pay so much for it.

I'm spending all of my "car allowance" at the moment on my MGB restotration. My Lincoln is on hold until later this summer when the MGB is out for it's initial blasting. I'll work more on the Lincoln, then.

But, back to the subject at hand, is there any reason why my mod won't work as well as yours?
 
I was responding to claims they don't increase hp and are a complete waste of money. I disagree with that and personally feel its worth the money.

I do believe a self made could perform as well if well made. 03+ guys have an advantage because the front feed intake is pretty easy to self create. My 02 with the rear feed TB isn't as easy, although it could be done. I saw no point in trying as I liked the LSK piece.
 
paulownian said:
That's the first time I have seen these sheets, as well. There is definitely a noticible difference between the stock and the modified.

Now, my question is, what is the difference between the mods? As I mentioned in the initial postings about this issue, my setup costs close to $40. versus the cost of $269. for the other one. Granted the tubes on mine are a hard plastic with a chrome finish on them (they don't look any different, though and seem to be tough enough to handle the job). My point was that there are cheaper alternatives out there for those of us who wanted the look, sound and performance without having to pay so much for it.

I'm spending all of my "car allowance" at the moment on my MGB restotration. My Lincoln is on hold until later this summer when the MGB is out for it's initial blasting. I'll work more on the Lincoln, then.

But, back to the subject at hand, is there any reason why my mod won't work as well as yours?
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I don't remember seeing your mod. However, anyone can buy materials to build an intake system cheap but not everyone wants to do that. You and a select few have implemented your own system and I'm sure you have seen some power enhancement.

My issue is with the other guy stating that adding a replacement K&N filter to the stock system will yield the same results. I find that very hard to believe that it will produce 15-20 HP. It might gain you a few HP but not what he claims it will. Now, the best bang for the buck is the KKM True-Rev Sport Induction Kit for the 03-06 LS's. For less than $150 you can feel the power and the cost per HP is better than any other alternative. I can't wait until Magnaflow introduces the new cat-back exhaust system for the 03-06 LS's. If they can squeeze some more HP out of the stock system, which is very good I might add, then these bolt on items are well worth the money.
 
I ran a 14.2 with my custom intake, exhaust, Xcal2, 255/45 rubber on my 04. I have my nickels saved up for the Magnaflow exhaust once it comes out. I have a custom exhaust but would prefer an all stainless system instead. That is if it comes out before I trade the LS in.
 
Well....lets back track alittle. I did not say that a regular k&n will produce any specific results, i stated it will provide just as much airflow as the $269 setup versus a paper filter. There is a point of diminishing return regarding the whole air intake stuff, and i'm not going to even debate any form of "cooler" air with the expensive setup because there is no way to prove or disprove it. I'm sorry but those dyno sheets dont prove anything and there is no baseline for either car, but it does help build some hype for the products. Now, its been stated here that the pre '03 V8 had a restrictive intake and exhaust so there might be some tiny room for improvement and its also been stated that the pre '03 V8 was alittle underrated at 252 hp. So lets say an even 255 or maybe 260 stock...that puts all your mods together at a increase of around 20 hp going off the dyno claims. I'm sorry but over $1000 isnt worth maybe 20 hp...not in a luxury car. And one other thing about those dyno sheets...the mods didnt create more torque and its torque that gets you off the line faster especially in a 3800 lb car. As far as timeslips, i dont think i have seen a legit timeslip on here. Not saying it didnt happen, but an increase in 1 full second from stock seems extreme for those mods.
 
Whoa, whoa guys! So let me setup my requirements for this mod:

1. Maybe a little quicker acceleration. Not looking to race to the next red light, but wouldn't mind a little 'umph' when I press the pedal down. Highly doubt I’ll ever take this car to the track, and even more unlikely it’ll ever see a dyno under my ownership.
2. The sound. I really like that sound when you hear an engine rev up and the intake starts sucking up the breathable air around it. The bigger the ‘whoosh’, the better in my opinion.
3. The legality issue has not been addressed. Ken, could you provide me with some info on this? Is it something to do with emissions? I don’t want something that’s going to be a lot of trouble to keep on the car.
4. If I have to pay a little for something with a warranty, that's fine. I'm much to busy to be building this on my own. As this is my only car, I'm much too dependent on the car to have it sit for 2-3 days if something goes wrong. Not saying that a K&N is going to be perfect and won't leave me stranded, but building something of your own is always an exercise in experimentation.

As well, my main question is: What’s the difference between the two intakes on Ken’s site? Is it just the fact that one has the stainless steel hose?

I appreciate the debate, but let’s stick to my original questions.

Sheesh, you guys work in managment? :lol:
 
theunclesam said:
Whoa, whoa guys! So let me setup my requirements for this mod:

1. Maybe a little quicker acceleration. Not looking to race to the next red light, but wouldn't mind a little 'umph' when I press the pedal down. Highly doubt I’ll ever take this car to the track, and even more unlikely it’ll ever see a dyno under my ownership.
2. The sound. I really like that sound when you hear an engine rev up and the intake starts sucking up the breathable air around it. The bigger the ‘whoosh’, the better in my opinion.
3. The legality issue has not been addressed. Ken, could you provide me with some info on this? Is it something to do with emissions? I don’t want something that’s going to be a lot of trouble to keep on the car.
4. If I have to pay a little for something with a warranty, that's fine. I'm much to busy to be building this on my own. As this is my only car, I'm much too dependent on the car to have it sit for 2-3 days if something goes wrong. Not saying that a K&N is going to be perfect and won't leave me stranded, but building something of your own is always an exercise in experimentation.

As well, my main question is: What’s the difference between the two intakes on Ken’s site? Is it just the fact that one has the stainless steel hose?

I appreciate the debate, but let’s stick to my original questions.

Sheesh, you guys work in managment? :lol:
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Take your pic on the 2, Ken maybe can answer that better.

You'll be happy with either IMO based on your expectations you have listed. The motor really growls with the mod. Thats spoken from experience with my 02 V-8 and anothers self made(very nicely done) 05 V-8.
 
theunclesam said:
3. The legality issue has not been addressed. Ken, could you provide me with some info on this? Is it something to do with emissions? I don’t want something that’s going to be a lot of trouble to keep on the car.
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One of the K&N systems is CARB certified. I don't remember which one. However, if you don't live in California it really doesn't matter. As for warranty issues read this:

http://www.lskoncepts.com/store/warranty.php
 
Fla02LS said:
Well....lets back track alittle. I did not say that a regular k&n will produce any specific results, i stated it will provide just as much airflow as the $269 setup versus a paper filter. There is a point of diminishing return regarding the whole air intake stuff, and i'm not going to even debate any form of "cooler" air with the expensive setup because there is no way to prove or disprove it. I'm sorry but those dyno sheets dont prove anything and there is no baseline for either car, but it does help build some hype for the products. Now, its been stated here that the pre '03 V8 had a restrictive intake and exhaust so there might be some tiny room for improvement and its also been stated that the pre '03 V8 was alittle underrated at 252 hp. So lets say an even 255 or maybe 260 stock...that puts all your mods together at a increase of around 20 hp going off the dyno claims. I'm sorry but over $1000 isnt worth maybe 20 hp...not in a luxury car. And one other thing about those dyno sheets...the mods didnt create more torque and its torque that gets you off the line faster especially in a 3800 lb car. As far as timeslips, i dont think i have seen a legit timeslip on here. Not saying it didnt happen, but an increase in 1 full second from stock seems extreme for those mods.
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If you don't have time slips or dyno sheets to back up your comments then all of your comments are needless.
 
Actually neither are legal cause the CARB cert is for a T-Bird. But if you were wondering, the silver one is CARB legal, but not for our car. I've already emailed K&N and asked and they have no plans to get it certified for the LS.
 
You do realize that its the same engine in both cars. That's the same as saying one is certified for the Crown Victoria but not the Grand Marquis...
 
Amoxi said:
Actually neither are legal cause the CARB cert is for a T-Bird. But if you were wondering, the silver one is CARB legal, but not for our car. I've already emailed K&N and asked and they have no plans to get it certified for the LS.
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You are correct.
 
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